I'm a troubled soul.

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I'm just being straight with him.. I know people like to say .. don't worry she'll be ok. Nothing will happen. What he needs to know is that God is all powerful.. with the right faith.. he helps. He was lucky he had 2 wives in my opinion. My Dad had 5.
 

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He came here to get ideas.. if she die? She at least will stop being in pain. If she is healed, they can rejoice. If she continue to suffer? They need to have discussed this. My uncle lost is wife to Parkinsons.. huge financial burden... 2nd wife same way. He was once converted to Judaism. His first Jewish wife hit a pole at 40mph.. paralyzed waist down.
 

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Gradually I have become less inclined to contribute to forums because of the irreconcilability of “This is what God has said, and this is what he means by it” versus “No, what he has really said is this, and this is what he actually means by it”.
To most readers this conflict must surely be regarded as being inevitable, sad, laughable, or even pathetic. To me it all pivots around the degree of one’s dependence on ‘plenary verbal inspiration’.

It seems to me that mankind has a propendency to afford documentary credibility that increases exponentially to the age and mysticism the source. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls is one such example and Joseph Smith’s claim to have discovered the Book of Mormon buried deep amongst the roots of an old pine tree is another, albeit less widely acclaimed, example.

“The Law and the Prophets” is the oldest of Christian documentation, through to the writers of present day hymns and sermons (you might even add yourself to the latest list). But along that line of writings verbal inspiration is accorded gradually reducing inerrancy, until you get to the likes of you and I, some of whom might well be considered to be 100% lacking in inerrancy.
The post Reformation denominational explosion is one enormous seed bed of conflicting degrees of inerrancy. If one out of 100 Reformers was totally innerrant then 99 were at least partially errant, and more likely so too were all 100.

So, to those of you who present what you believe on the basis of its plenary verbal inerrancy I challenge you to document just what it is that you consider to be that basis. You might say that it is the ‘Bible’. but how can 100 different English versions each be totally verbally inerrant?….that would be an utter contradiction of terms.
There are those who claim to be of the ‘KJV only’ persuasion, but do they not not know that the ‘V’ stands for ‘Version’, and do they not know the meaning of that word?

Beam me up Scottie….I want to get off the bus
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Hello @Mike,

I am sorry to hear your news. May you be comforted, and be enabled to draw on His strength, that you may endure: and may God's perfect will be done in relation to you both. You are an old man, with a long retrospective view of the Lord's love and grace stretching out behind you to draw strength from. So praise God for your long and varied lives, and the talents you have been blessed with, for He will keep you in His love and care, and you will find His strength being made perfect in your weakness.

With love to you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Thanks for the various wise responses, but my troubles have suddenly paled into insignificance with the news (since my OP) that my wife's cancer has become so widespread that all that can now be offered is 'palliative care'.
My prayers are with you and your wife, Mike! God be with you as you face this trial. I pray that your wife will experience the healing hand of Jesus touching her.
 

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Thanks for the various wise responses, but my troubles have suddenly paled into insignificance with the news (since my OP) that my wife's cancer has become so widespread that all that can now be offered is 'palliative care'.

Oh my goodness ...so sorry Mike, had no idea that Chris even had cancer...
Dave and I will be praying for you both .

Every blessing , and abundant supernatural peace on you both at this time x
 

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He came here to get ideas.. if she die? She at least will stop being in pain. If she is healed, they can rejoice. If she continue to suffer? They need to have discussed this. My uncle lost is wife to Parkinsons.. huge financial burden... 2nd wife same way. He was once converted to Judaism. His first Jewish wife hit a pole at 40mph.. paralyzed waist down.

Why don’t you just shut up now.
You have the sensitivity of a rice pudding...just QUIT , you have a mental problem , and you are too dumb to know your right hand from your left.

If you can’t say anything helpful just keep quiet.
 

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John 14.27 is a great verse for the believer. "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
 

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Thanks for the various wise responses, but my troubles have suddenly paled into insignificance with the news (since my OP) that my wife's cancer has become so widespread that all that can now be offered is 'palliative care'.
Oh Mike I'm so sorry to hear this. I will pray for you both.
 

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I lost my wife right after we married so I know the grief. Its hell. 22 years ago. He was lucky to have her this long. And I stayed faithful and never remarried. Also, I never got to spend one day with my wife after we wed. So, nobody here had it harder than me.

Also lost my kid 22 years ago. I had 4 years with him, and never saw him again. The devil took everything from me.

This dude had 2 wives? He upset... but you have to go to God ..cause devil is waiting for him to mess up.

Being faced with this much grief at the end of your life is the test.. & I'm lucky it happened to me young. But you should of had this discussion with your other .. a long time ago. I know God is all powerful and gives back what is lost, and that is why I 'let God handle it"
Very insensitive post brian.
 

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So I'm guessing when she die he blame God for it? And devil win?

Tell her you will find her in heaven! And the devil can't take her away. But his love might turn to hate by being troubled soul! He could take his love away!.. being alone is the pit.. I'm there now.. but I will rise above this suffering.
I wish there was a dislike button!
 

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Thanks for the various wise responses, but my troubles have suddenly paled into insignificance with the news (since my OP) that my wife's cancer has become so widespread that all that can now be offered is 'palliative care'.
Sorry Mike. Been there, done that. It has been 5 years since my wife of 50 years went Home. Life offers no greater pain than this event.

I have been following a helpful forum which deals with this event:

Loss of a Spouse

It is not a Christian forum, but there are a lot of Christians contributing.
 

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Gradually I have become less inclined to contribute to forums because of the irreconcilability of “This is what God has said, and this is what he means by it” versus “No, what he has really said is this, and this is what he actually means by it”.
To most readers this conflict must surely be regarded as being inevitable, sad, laughable, or even pathetic. To me it all pivots around the degree of one’s dependence on ‘plenary verbal inspiration’.

It seems to me that mankind has a propendency to afford documentary credibility that increases exponentially to the age and mysticism the source. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls is one such example and Joseph Smith’s claim to have discovered the Book of Mormon buried deep amongst the roots of an old pine tree is another, albeit less widely acclaimed, example.

“The Law and the Prophets” is the oldest of Christian documentation, through to the writers of present day hymns and sermons (you might even add yourself to the latest list). But along that line of writings verbal inspiration is accorded gradually reducing inerrancy, until you get to the likes of you and I, some of whom might well be considered to be 100% lacking in inerrancy.
The post Reformation denominational explosion is one enormous seed bed of conflicting degrees of inerrancy. If one out of 100 Reformers was totally innerrant then 99 were at least partially errant, and more likely so too were all 100.

So, to those of you who present what you believe on the basis of its plenary verbal inerrancy I challenge you to document just what it is that you consider to be that basis. You might say that it is the ‘Bible’. but how can 100 different English versions each be totally verbally inerrant?….that would be an utter contradiction of terms.
There are those who claim to be of the ‘KJV only’ persuasion, but do they not not know that the ‘V’ stands for ‘Version’, and do they not know the meaning of that word?

Beam me up Scottie….I want to get off the bus.

Aw Mike, I'm sorry you are so troubled...we all should be a little bit troubled at least! Even with 100% inerrantcy in every single word written, humans would still screw it all up and come up with a million different meanings of the same word.
But then I think, would God allow the errant words or verses to trick those who truly love Him and are studying diligently? We (Christians) seem no more united than the unsaved and, I really don't see it changing, at least on this earth, ha!
My mom used to say "stop the world and let me off", haha...I would say, not without me!! Anyhow, I know there are still a few humble and teachable Christians around...I can only imagine how some on these boards who spout off their "truth" in nasty and self righteous ways on the boards, would act in a Church setting...I'm kind of thinking they would behave themselves much differently ;)
Love you brother and, chinny chin chin up!