The guy must obviously have me on ignore. He is definitely afraid to confront me.
Bro...I'm going for a nap. Hopefully you have something to say when I get back Christian Fiction, Sci fi,make believe...
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The guy must obviously have me on ignore. He is definitely afraid to confront me.
Bro...I'm going for a nap. Hopefully you have something to say when I get back 
It does not look like you care to understand who Jesus was speaking too.Those promises were spoken to those Apostolic eyewitnesses who were with him .
1 John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
At this point " stop sign " I don't think you worthy of a debate, I just pray to God that you not be allowed to miss lead the babes In Christ.
Here's the best miracle that I remember well.
I drowned in a pool around 9 and 10.. and as I sunk to bottom I said how do I get out of this.. I couldn't swim ..3 min under.. then a man jumped in and saved me.. I told the man sorry I slipped.. he said okay ..walked away. I saw my mom tried to tell her this.. she didn't see me.. so I said nobody cares if u die went back to swimming. I brought this event up 15 years later both mom and sister deny it happened. No memory of it.. That's how I know my guardian jump in at light speed and nobody sees. God kingdom operates in light speed realm like thor.. and the people look like normal people.. these angels or Saints!
I drowned in a pool around 9 and 10.. and as I sunk to bottom I said how do I get out of this.. I couldn't swim ..3 min under.. then a man jumped in and saved me.. I told the man sorry I slipped.. he said okay ..walked away. I saw my mom tried to tell her this.. she didn't see me.. so I said nobody cares if u die went back to swimming. I brought this event up 15 years later both mom and sister deny it happened. No memory of it.. That's how I know my guardian jump in at light speed and nobody sees. God kingdom operates in light speed realm like thor.. and the people look like normal people.. these angels or Saints!
Meh! I'm just gonna move this thread to the unorthodox forum because it is exactly that....unorthodox.
historyb
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The problem is the OP was hurt in one thing and went way to far the other way. I was there myself at one time until God got a hold of me again. I went from evangelical, to Pentecostal, than because I picked up a book went reformed and finally after God got a hold of me I ended in Traditional Christianity
Is that what's wrong with you?
What the heck is Trad Christianity. Let me guess you were those guys with hippie guitars called Charismatics.
historyb
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Read again I said the OP. OP means Original Poster and I am not the Original Poster of the topic of this thread
Angelina,
The Holy Spirit is God, Why would you ask that?
rom8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Holy Spirit is God, Why would you ask that?
There is no such thing as a believer who has not been indwelt by the Spirit of God;
rom8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Anthony, you're not going to convince me otherwise, and I don't think it's ethical for you to try -- God's the teacher, not sinners. But then again, if you want to totally ignore me saying that, you certainly can. But it is a waste-of-time conversation.It does not look like you care to understand who Jesus was speaking too.Those promises were spoken to those Apostolic eyewitnesses who were with him .
1 John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
historyb
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2 Corinthians 12 (KJV)
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¹ It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
² I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
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⁴ How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Here Paul is talking a about a man....not an apostle...who experienced a supernatural event ....NOT AN APOSTLE
⁵ Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
⁶ For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
Paul said of such a man would he glorify...NOT AN APOSTLE
⁷ And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
⁸ For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
⁹ And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Paul confesses his weaknesses and would rather glory in his infirmities so that the power of Christ may rest upon him.
¹⁰ Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
¹¹ I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
Any clue to who the chiefest apostles are?
¹² Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
¹³ For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.
¹⁴ Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
¹⁵ And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.
¹⁶ But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
¹⁷ Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you?
Paul says the signs of a true apostle were wrought with patience, signs, wonders and mighty deeds.....he is challenging them on what the false apostles had to offer.
¹⁸ I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?
¹⁹ Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
²⁰ For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
²¹ And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
The rest you can figure out.
This is orthodox teaching but you and the others do not know Church history enough to know.
Guess what? Paul is speaking of himself, and he is an Apostle. You miss the whole passage.2 Corinthians 12 (KJV)
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¹ It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
² I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
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⁴ How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Here Paul is talking a about a man....not an apostle...who experienced a supernatural event he experienced....NOT AN APOSTLE
⁵ Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
⁶ For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
Paul said of such a man he would he glorify...NOT AN APOSTLE
⁷ And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
⁸ For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
⁹ And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Paul confesses his weaknesses and would rather glory in his infirmities so that the power of Christ may rest upon him.
¹⁰ Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
¹¹ I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
Any clue to who the chiefest apostles are?
¹² Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
¹³ For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.
¹⁴ Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
¹⁵ And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.
¹⁶ But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
¹⁷ Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you?
Paul says the signs of a true apostle were wrought with patience, signs, wonders and mighty deeds.....he is challenging them on what the false apostles had to offer.
¹⁸ I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?
¹⁹ Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
²⁰ For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
²¹ And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
The rest you can figure out.
verse 7 tells us.Try again.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
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