Christians and the Law of Moses

[BloodBought 1953]

Please forgive me. My harsh answer in post #56 was not warranted. I had assumed your answer to which I responded took the position of dismissing God's Law, the Law of Liberty as it is called and replaced it with the popular catch cry 'you only need to love'

replaced it with the popular catch cry 'you only need to love'

That “ would” be a mistake .....It’s only HALF of the Final Commands Given to us by the Ascended Christ in this Age Of Grace.....There are TWO Commands Given ....
1John 3:23 .. “ And this is His Commandment...That we should believe on the name of His Son , Jesus Christ,and Love one another, And he that keeps these Commandments dwell in Him, and He in Him....
Two Commands today for the Believer—- Believe and Love. Not the Law Of Moses.Not the “ Big Ten”.Not the Sermon on the Mound.Believe the Gospel to get Saved.Rest in that Gospel . That will get you the Holy Spirit.That will bring forth the Love for God and your fellow man that God has desired for Millennia .Obtaining That Indwelling Holy Spirit , our Great Helper, is the secret for all the good things that follow , for without that, “ we are NONE OF HIS.” All one has to do to get that Spirit is to ask for it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Two Commands today for the Believer—- Believe and Love. Not the Law Of Moses.Not the “ Big Ten”.Not the Sermon on the Mound.

These show forth the details of what it means to love; and define what it means to violate love.

Of course, we only love because of faith (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5); however the law, both in the OT and the NT, shows forth what sin is (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4) in order that we might understand that we are sinners in need of a Saviour (Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Salvation is not only from the consequences of sin ie, death but also from its power ie, sin. Sin is defined by the Law.....to be specific, the Ten Commandments.....it is the standard of judgement.

He who loves God also loves his Commandments for they are holy, just and good. Any argument against them is an overt/covert way to convince oneself that breaking them is ok.....subsequently the confusing circular talk.

What I mean by circular talk is; on the one hand you speak poorly of the Law calling it weak and useless; (your context is amiss) How is it amiss? ... you are blaming the Law for pointing out your failure....the problem being your failure/sin......on the other hand you speak about obedience....obedience to what?. Herein you do not understand how the two connect.

Its like the child blaming the parent when the parent catches the child with his hand in the cookie jar.

This exercise of blaming the Law which the scripture calls holy and just and good is unadulterated sleight of hand.
You want proof/evidence?.....your post reveals it.

I would suggest that YOU are the one that is “ confused”.....You are making a lot of false Assumptions about my position....in fact , you don’t understand my position at all.....maybe I can clear up a few of these errors ....
Your first paragraph was confusing to me....Perhaps you could rephrase it.....all I can say at this point is the POWER of Sin is the Law.....The Law was given so that “ Sin might INCREASE!” Nobody at my old Church ever mentioned that— how about yours? Most Churches present the Law as an adjunct to Faith, saying , “ Sure Jesus Saves, but once you know THAT, you need to go back and keep the Law in order to STAY Saved.” Nope .That is a damnable, False Gospel That Adds to Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace..... “ By The Works Of The Law, NO Flesh shall be Justified” It’s Faith Plus Nothing from start to finish.
It is never my intent to poor-mouth the Laws Of God. God Blessed us with these Laws for our OWN BENEFIT. Obey them and you will please God and you will be blessed in your lifetime. The Laws of God are Great! Do I need to say it again? The Law is a Blessing to Mankind.Wise men try to obey them.Fools ignore them.
The Problem with the Law is Confused, Blind people fall for Satan’s Lie that it is the Instruction Book for Earning one’s Salvation.One follow’s the “ do’s and dont’s” Of The 613 Commandments and If their Performance is “ good enough” , God will give them what they deserve.What they don’t know is that God WILL give these misguided , self-righteous people what they deserve— Damnation....
I was disappointed to see you had to resort to the old Canard that Believers like me only want to play down the Commandments and “ breaking them is OK” so we can go out and sin up a storm.Breaking Any Laws is never “ OK”. I NEVER promote that and I don’t know anybody that does .There’s just a lot of people that can never “ imagine” a person who has removed the Shackles Of The Law for Salvation and actually has the Mature Faith to Trust the Grace Of God and “ Let go and let God”. These poorly taught people think that if they are set free to do want they “WANT” ......why , the only thing that they would “ Want” to do is take that Grace and use It as a “ License to Sin.”
The Truth is just the Opposite.I barely even think about the Law. I actually Believe that “Jesus died for my Sins”— That Gospel “ Thingy”. I am a Free Man in Christ.Free to do what I want . The second I saw that I was free to do what I wanted to do was the EXACT same second I did not to WANT to do anything to displease the God whose Grace gave+me this Freedom.Notice—- I did NOT say I could do what I wanted to do and “ get away with it”. God does not hesitate to Chastise me if I get out of line....I just understand that it has Nothing to do with my Salvation.For The purposes of Salvation ,all of my sins are on the Cross and God has “ forgotten” them.He leaves them their and so do I.
I do not “ blame” the Law for pointing out my failure to keep it.The problem is ME and I am glad that God has blessed me with the knowledge that Paul talked about. The Law is “ weak and useless” if used as a set of rules to earn Salvation. Paul said the Law was “ good” if you knew how to use it. God gave the Law to show people that they could not keep it.....it's purpose is to shut your mouth, drive you to your knees and see that you need to cry out to Jesus to Save you ...That’s what I did with the Law and now I am done with it.....I will gladly give it to the next guy and hope that God grant them the Wisdom to use it properly .....
Having said all of this ,there is a Paradox that remains . I do not concern myself with the Law and Obedience - neither Save— Faith in the Shed Blood takes care of all of that .....But Obedience is great and I want to live a life of Obedience for my sake and God’s ......The less I concern myself with “being obedient”—— the more Obedient I become.So as it turns out, we both have the same goal..... I just know how to get there . It ain’t by “ Trying”—- it’s by “Trusting”. As I said,” Let go and let God.” You have to live it to understand it . I hope you understand..... God bless...

( sorry about the length of this Post.......I get carried away sometimes....lol )

 

[DPMartin]

The Law of Moses has caused a lot of confusion among Christians and continues to do so. Some Christians believe that nothing within the Torah is applicable to them. Others go in the opposite direction and imagine that everything is still valid. And that is why it is necessary to understand how the Law of Moses applies (or does not apply) today to those who are under the New Covenant.

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the law God gave by the hand of Moses doesn't confuse anything, those who call themselves Christians do. like fools seek to be at odds with God's covenants.
Paul explains plainly here:


Rom 3:23　 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;　
Rom 3:24　 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:　
Rom 3:25　 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;　
Rom 3:26　 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.　
Rom 3:27　 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.　
Rom 3:28　 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.　
Rom 3:29　 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:　
Rom 3:30　 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.　
Rom 3:31　 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.　

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

How can someone truly washed in the Blood of Christ use quotation marks to write and lie on a Christian forum,
<<"Washed in the blood of Yeshua Ha Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah). For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul - Leviticus 17:11".>>

It's diabolic, that's only how!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

replaced it with the popular catch cry 'you only need to love'

That “ would” be a mistake .....It’s only HALF of the Final Commands Given to us by the Ascended Christ in this Age Of Grace.....There are TWO Commands Given ....
1John 3:23 .. “ And this is His Commandment...That we should believe on the name of His Son , Jesus Christ,and Love one another, And he that keeps these Commandments dwell in Him, and He in Him....
Two Commands today for the Believer—- Believe and Love. Not the Law Of Moses.Not the “ Big Ten”.Not the Sermon on the Mound.Believe the Gospel to get Saved.Rest in that Gospel . That will get you the Holy Spirit.That will bring forth the Love for God and your fellow man that God has desired for Millennia .Obtaining That Indwelling Holy Spirit , our Great Helper, is the secret for all the good things that follow , for without that, “ we are NONE OF HIS.” All one has to do to get that Spirit is to ask for it.

Deluded delusioned and delusional <<Believe the Gospel to get Saved.Rest in that Gospel . That will get you the Holy Spirit.That will bring forth the Love for God and your fellow man that God has desired>> is the legalism of salvation by works worse than any any devil ever has preached.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

THE TEN COMMANDMENT ARE ETERNAL
The Ten Commandments are based upon the absolute holiness and righteousness of God – the character of God. Since God does not change, those laws are eternal. While they were written on tablets of stone in the Old Covenant, they are written on hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit within the New Covenant.

Are His 10 commandments written on our hearts now. Is it sometime in the future?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Are His 10 commandments written on our hearts now. Is it sometime in the future?

.....the Commandments are written on our hearts now......IF you possess a New Heart...got one?

 

[Doug]

WHICH LAWS ARE STILL VALID
According to Acts 15:28,29, the Holy Spirit has applied only four laws to the Church, and they primarily forbid the consumption of blood or meats sacrificed to idols. Fornication is also forbidden: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye [1] abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

These commandments are not for the church in this dispensation, the body of Christ. These restrictions were for the Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom as preached by Jesus and the twelve.
Our doctrine is found in the epistles of Paul.

 

[Enoch111]

These commandments are not for the church in this dispensation, the body of Christ. These restrictions were for the Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom as preached by Jesus and the twelve.
Our doctrine is found in the epistles of Paul.

And it is Paul himself who tells us that the Ten Commandments are all within the Law of Love, and that within the New Covenant they are also written on hearts and minds.

So you should go back and study the epistles of Paul to see what you missed.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

.....the Commandments are written on our hearts now......IF you possess a New Heart...got one?

JEREMIAH 31 [31] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Jer.31 and Heb.8 are speaking of the same exact covenant. Although we are to try and walk as if Gods law was written in our heart, has the covenant of Jer.31 and Hebrews 8 already arrived? Keep in mind if Gods law was written in our heart we would be keeping that law perfectly

Verse 8- I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Not a gentile mentioned anywhere. Every time i say we {gentiles} are to keep the 10 commandments, i hear that covenant wasnt given to the gentiles! It was given to Isreal only!

Verse 11- Does EVERYONE know the Lord? Not even close. There will come a time.

Verse 13- Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is WAXING OLD and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet! Not that only! Hebrews 8 [8] says Behold the days come when He will make a new covenant. Didnt come yet. Yes there are some books that claim the ten are obsolete. In them same books youll find in Hebrews 4 the name of Jesus being change to Joshua for the same reason. To hide the truth

Verse 10- When God writes His commandments in our heart you can bet the ranch we will be keeping them. Yes, even His sabbath. When will God write His laws in our hearts?

DEUT. 30 [4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee: [5] And the Lord THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. [6] And the Lord THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [7] And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. [8] And THOU SHALT RETURN AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE LORD, AND DO ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS which I command thee this day.

After the gathering {in the twinkling of an eye} to the kingdom rest. Verse 8- Yes.... that would be the 10 commandments. Does that include the sabbath

ISAIAH 66 [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP before me, saith the Lord.

Yup

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

JEREMIAH 16 [14] Therefore, BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; [15] But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Behold, the days come! Has verse 15 come to pass? Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope

JEREMIAH 23 [5] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. [6] In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. [7] Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; [8] But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

Behold, the days come! Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope. Not yet

JEREMIAH 33 [14] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. [15] In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. [16] IN THOSE DAYS SHALL JUDAH BE SAVED, AND JERUSALEM SHALL DWELL SAFELY: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

Behold, the days come! Is Jerusalem dwelling safely? Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Nope

JEREMIAH 31 [31] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Behold, the days come! Has this prophecy been fulfilled. Does EVERYONE know the Lord? Nope

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Behold the days come! AFTER THOSE DAYS.....! Why do the many believe this scripture has been fulfilled? If “behold the days come” has not yet arrived, surely “after those days” has not yet arrived.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

So when does the covenant found in Hebrews 8 come to pass?

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE TO ME A PEOPLE:

and will be their God, and they shall be my people {when does this happen}

ZECHARIAH 8 [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I WILL BRING THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, in truth and in righteousness.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {when His people are gathered to Jerusalem}. Itll be done in the twinkling of an eye

JEREMIAH 24 [6] For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I WILL BRING THEM AGAIN TO THIS LAND: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. [7] And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again}

JEREMIAH 32 [37] Behold, I WILL GATHER THEM OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I WILL BRING THEM again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: [38] And THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD: [39] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: [40] And I will make an EVERLASTING COVENANT with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. [41] Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I WILL PLANT THEM IN THIS LAND assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

they shall be my people, and i will be their God {and again...after the gathering to Jerusalem}. Pretty simple. At the gathering of Gods people to Israel, God will then write His laws on our heart {Jer.31v33} and then we shall be His people and He will be our God.

EZEKIEL 11 [17] Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I WILL EVEN GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLE, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL. [18] And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. [19] And I WILL GIVE THEM ONE HEART, and I will put a NEW SPIRIT within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
[20] That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD.

I will gather you {in the twinkling of an eye} and bring you to Israel and give you a new heart and then they shall be my people and I will be their God.

 

[justbyfaith]

The love of God is shed abroad in the hearts of those who have been redeemed by Christ (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5); and this love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4). It is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18).

 

[Doug]

And it is Paul himself who tells us that the Ten Commandments are all within the Law of Love, and that within the New Covenant they are also written on hearts and minds.

So you should go back and study the epistles of Paul to see what you missed.

This does not address Acts 15:28-29
You said these commandments are for the church, the body of Christ.
Those commandments were to keep the Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom and are part of the remnant of Israel from having to keep the law, they only had to keep those provisions in verse 29.

 

[Doug]

And it is Paul himself who tells us that the Ten Commandments are all within the Law of Love, and that within the New Covenant they are also written on hearts and minds.

So you should go back and study the epistles of Paul to see what you missed.

Jeremiah 31:31 says the new covenant is for the house of Israel and Judah not the church, the body of Christ.

 

[Doug]

JEREMIAH 31 [31] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Jer.31 and Heb.8 are speaking of the same exact covenant. Although we are to try and walk as if Gods law was written in our heart, has the covenant of Jer.31 and Hebrews 8 already arrived? Keep in mind if Gods law was written in our heart we would be keeping that law perfectly

Verse 8- I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Not a gentile mentioned anywhere. Every time i say we {gentiles} are to keep the 10 commandments, i hear that covenant wasnt given to the gentiles! It was given to Isreal only!

Verse 11- Does EVERYONE know the Lord? Not even close. There will come a time.

Verse 13- Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is WAXING OLD and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet! Not that only! Hebrews 8 [8] says Behold the days come when He will make a new covenant. Didnt come yet. Yes there are some books that claim the ten are obsolete. In them same books youll find in Hebrews 4 the name of Jesus being change to Joshua for the same reason. To hide the truth

Verse 10- When God writes His commandments in our heart you can bet the ranch we will be keeping them. Yes, even His sabbath. When will God write His laws in our hearts?

DEUT. 30 [4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee: [5] And the Lord THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. [6] And the Lord THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [7] And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. [8] And THOU SHALT RETURN AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE LORD, AND DO ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS which I command thee this day.

After the gathering {in the twinkling of an eye} to the kingdom rest. Verse 8- Yes.... that would be the 10 commandments. Does that include the sabbath

ISAIAH 66 [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP before me, saith the Lord.

Yup

Jeremiah 31:31 says the new covenant is for the house of Israel and Judah not the church, the body of Christ.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Two Commands today for the Believer—- Believe and Love. Not the Law Of Moses.Not the “ Big Ten”.

Your tryin to tell me we need not keep Gods 10 commandments because we are givin a new testament commandment “to love one another”. Problem is the new testament scriptures tell us how to “love one another”.

1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

To love the children of God, we are to keep the commandments

2JOHN1 [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.[6] And THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Love one another. Keep the commandments

JAMES 2 [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[9] For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I decided to show the scripture of James 2 and Romans 13 which explain to us how we are to show our love for one another because im sure the next thing i hear is that it is not the 10 commandments being mentioned. But as you can see in these scriptures, adultry killing, stealing, bearing false witness, covetness are mentioned. And i suppose i will hear you say that since the “keeping of the sabbath” is not mentioned or “thou shalt have no other gods before me" is not mentioned these commandments can be ignored.

 

[Enoch111]

Jeremiah 31:31 says the new covenant is for the house of Israel and Judah not the church, the body of Christ.

This is another one of your stupid ideas. Sorry but I have to use the word "stupid" because the New Testament makes it crystal clear that the New Covenant is for the Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body, the Body of Christ), and the Church is under the New Covenant. So you should really study this matter carefully before making another comment.

 

[Heart2Soul]

THE TEN COMMANDMENT ARE ETERNAL
The Ten Commandments are based upon the absolute holiness and righteousness of God – the character of God. Since God does not change, those laws are eternal. While they were written on tablets of stone in the Old Covenant, they are written on hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit within the New Covenant. And they are summed up in the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love. So Christians are not lawless and devoid of the commandments of God. Indeed the Law of Love is even more stringent than the Law of Moses.

The Law of Moses and The 10 Commandments of God are distinctly separate of each other....God's Commandments can apply to Jew or Gentile...Male or Female....or to any doctrine of faith....
The Law of Moses which contains 613 or something to that are restricted in most ways to the Jewish culture.
Paul gave a fairly decent explanation of the 2nd commandment Jesus gave.....

Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The way I always understood it is that when we Love God and Love our Neighbor as ourselves, then the will to sin against either one is no longer in us.....therefore with love we want to always do good to others and what is right in the sight of God. Love never fails.