'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[Earburner]

Before you go on with this, first show Scripture, <Jesus bled>. Before then this is my last exchange with you. Do you see the full stop? It's the little dot at the end

If it be, that the Holy Spirit of God dwells within you, this will not be your last exchange with me, nor me with you!
Romans 8:8-9

 

[Earburner]

God Earburner decided <<"flesh..>> can but <<flesh-and-blood cannot inherit the KoG">>. Now I see! You are a Jew, the Jew in some Shakespeare play who demanded his pound of flesh ... and had to be content with getting nothing in the end. Earcreeper Blaspheemer who doesn't drive out devils but blood.

Before you go on with this, first show Scripture, <Jesus bled>. Before then this is my last exchange with you. Do you see the full stop? It's the little dot at the end

Mat. 26[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[Earburner]

^ John 19[34] But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

[Davy]

Scripture? No, conjecture!

You didn't quote enough of what I said to make sense. I said, "...and the spiritual body Apostle Paul taught being a body of the heavenly, not of flesh."

That is correct what I said, for Paul taught the "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15 is a body of the heavenly, not of flesh and blood.

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Where did I disagree that Jesus, the Firstborn NEW creature from the dead, did not have the ability to be both flesh and bone, and then at will, be Spirit?
He is the First God/man, and we who are of faith in Him, are to follow Him in the power of His resurrection and shall be resurrected into His likeness of His immortality.

Your idea is not Biblical. Nowhere does God's Word teach that the "spiritual body" is one of flesh and blood and spirit at the same time. Apostle Paul was emphatic that the resurrection body is a "spiritual body" not of corruption (i.e., flesh and bone). All one need do is read the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture and heed what Paul said there.

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus came to the disciples, and showed them He was not a ghost - He said touch and see - a ghost does not have bone and flesh as I have - that you can touch....

 

[Davy]

Isn't that an assumption on your part? Jesus doesn't explicitly say that our soul continues after death.

Well, yes He did say the soul continues after flesh death. That's exactly what it means when someone can kill your flesh body but not your soul. By Jesus then pointing to only our Heavenly Father being able to destroy both the body (spiritual body) and soul in the "lake of fire", that's even more explicit that our soul & spirit continues to that other dimension at flesh death.

Those thinking our soul is made up of material matter from the earth have no leg to stand on, because if our soul were of material matter we could not stand before Christ and be judged after we die. We simply would no longer exist; that kind of idea of our soul being of the earth is actually an old pagan belief. The pagans who worshipped nature instead of God believed that. It was part of their idea called Pantheism, an old superstition that held that God is in everything, and thus led to nature worship, tree huggin', etc. Our Heavenly Father is a Person, not just some invisible force of nature that permeates all things. He has the image of man, for that image originates from Him in the Heavenly (Genesis 1:26-27).

 

[Davy]

Your remarks are laced with assumptions and accusations, neither of which are true. Don't expect me to agree with your unproven assertions or even consider them while being attacked.

So far, you haven't proven your point with scripture.

You can lie to yourself all you want. I've clearly shown from Bible Scripture how it is. Either you accept it as written, or you reject it. And so far, you reject Scripture in favor of your own doctrine, or doctrines you got from somewhere else. So what I've said are not accusations, they are facts.

 

[Davy]

Paul never taught a word <<about the spiritual body>>. Don't spin it, quote it!

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You just made a flat denial of that above Scripture by Apostle Paul. What you say is not to be trusted.

 

[Joseph77]

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You just made a flat denial of that above Scripture by Apostle Paul. What you say is not to be trusted.

Amen. EVERYTHING, everything, EvErYthing posted MUST be tested proven true in line with all Scripture

before it is accepted.

(some things already proven long ago false - never to be accepted) ....

 

[Earburner]

Your idea is not Biblical. Nowhere does God's Word teach that the "spiritual body" is one of flesh and blood and spirit at the same time.

Again you misunderstand my words to you!
Nor have you read anything that I have said to others just recently.
Jesus was Resurrected into NEW and Immortal Life,
NOT resusscitated into His old life.

He is both physical and spiritual, and can change back and forth in a moments notice. HIs NEW Immortal Life is sustained by His Holy Spirit and not by the blood of His past mortality. Do you not recall, that His blood was SHED FOR many?

 

[Earburner]

Well, yes He did say the soul continues after flesh death. That's exactly what it means when someone can kill your flesh body but not your soul. By Jesus then pointing to only our Heavenly Father being able to destroy both the body (spiritual body) and soul in the "lake of fire", that's even more explicit that our soul & spirit continues to that other dimension at flesh death.

Those thinking our soul is made up of material matter from the earth have no leg to stand on, because if our soul were of material matter we could not stand before Christ and be judged after we die. We simply would no longer exist; that kind of idea of our soul being of the earth is actually an old pagan belief. The pagans who worshipped nature instead of God believed that. It was part of their idea called Pantheism, an old superstition that held that God is in everything, and thus led to nature worship, tree huggin', etc. Our Heavenly Father is a Person, not just some invisible force of nature that permeates all things. He has the image of man, for that image originates from Him in the Heavenly (Genesis 1:26-27).

Davy,
It is apparent that you believe that God gave to Adam an eternal soul. Unfortunately, you are now forced to believe that all animals were each given an eternal soul also.
If you deny that is so, then either KJV Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:21-22 is a lie, or it is you who is believing a lie.

As for your understanding about the judgment seat of Christ, you are even more in misunderstanding, in that regard.

Upon Adam, and all we who are descendants, God's judgment of death, of eternal condemnation is upon us "already".

Upon Jesus, and all we who are of faith in Him, God's judgment of life, of eternal life is Gifted to us.

Everyone who repents and comes to God through Christ, for the forgiveness of sin,
HAS APPEARED before the judgment seat of Christ, and has been declared "not condemned".

Now you should be able to better understand KJV John 3:18.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.…

Protasis: 'If'-Supposition ... Apodosis: 'then-also'-Inevitable ... or not, the result is the same...

1Corinthians 15:44-45

"(If) There is a natural body
"and (if) there is a Spiritual Body (also) (44b)
"it is Written— (45a)

"Sown (born) a natural body— (44a)
"the first man Adam (45b)
"was made a living being / soul (45c)

"There also is a Spiritual Body (therefore)— (44c)
"the Last Adam— (45c)
"Life-Giving-Spirit" (45d)

the Lord Jesus "raised in incorruption". (42c)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out a New Testament and dead water. Author: <the blasphemies specialist>

 

[CadyandZoe]

You can lie to yourself all you want. I've clearly shown from Bible Scripture how it is. Either you accept it as written, or you reject it. And so far, you reject Scripture in favor of your own doctrine, or doctrines you got from somewhere else. So what I've said are not accusations, they are facts.

My disagreement is not with the Bible, but with your interpretation of the Bible, which relies on presuppositions that exist outside the Bible.

 

[Earburner]

But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out a New Testament and dead water. Author: <the blasphemies specialist>

Speaking sideways doesn't help the dilemma of your misunderstanding!

 

[Earburner]

Jesus came to the disciples, and showed them He was not a ghost - He said touch and see - a ghost does not have bone and flesh as I have - that you can touch....

Amen!
Bone-flesh...with blood, is the sustaining life of our flesh, mortal flesh.

However, Jesus resurrected into the NEW Life of Immortal flesh by the Holy Spirit, which is the sustaining life of His immortal flesh.
Therefore, Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit, a whole new creature/creation.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If it be, that the Holy Spirit of God dwells within you, this will not be your last exchange with me, nor me with you!
Romans 8:8-9

For once you speak truth.

 

[Earburner]

Soul=blood,

Blood=soul.
Until one comprehends that, they will forever be in a fog about what the word "soul" is.
ITS OUR BLOOD!!
Our blood feeds our flesh, by carrying oxygenated air to every organ and its each grouping of living cells!
Leviticus 17[11a] For the life of the flesh is in the blood:...

Now unfortunately, to understand that, you will have to fight off every corrupt thought of what you have been told down through thousands of years, of what "soul" is.
KJV: Genesis 3. "Man BECAME a living soul. He didn't get one!!
Moses, in his ignorance DID NOT KNOW what Oxygen was, so he called it "the breath of life". See also Genesis 7:21-22.

Think through the corrupted thoughts of Religion, and any other foul imaginings of what man has conjured up through the years of what "soul" is.
Soul=blood,
Blood=soul.

BTW, there is much more to be learned about it through the KJV Bible, if you will just entertain this truthful concept of what I have said thus far, including Jesus and His Resurrection!

 

[Earburner]

^ Edit: Genesis 2:7 (not Gen. 3).