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  1. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    1. Yes! The Lord Jesus Christ in His preincarnate state of immortality.
    2. Simply because Christ said so!
    3. Yes, soul=blood, blood=soul.
    Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:...

    "...fear him which is able to destroy both *soul and **body
    IN***hell.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    ^ Note:
    * blood
    ** flesh
    *** the grave
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Blood=soul!
    Shockingly simple, isn't it?
    No denominational barriers
    No religious doctrinal persuasion
    And NO religious spin!!
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    GE wrote:
    "I say as a great Protestant once said: Everything that is contrary Scripture must INSTANTLY be resisted as DIABOLICAL! You manipulate - TRY to - the Word of God for your horrible heresy,
    *that Jesus did not "come" --from the dead-- "in the flesh".
    > *What did Jesus say after His death and Resurrection?
    Luke 24[39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not *flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
    > I believe Him!
    But you want it to say:
    Flesh and bones, AND blood!!

    Its not me thats attempting manipulate scripture!
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    As prophesied in Isaiah 53:12...
    he hath POURED OUT his soul unto death:
    and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Jesus fulfilled it in Mat. 26[ 28 ] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    So, what was it that Jesus "poured out"?
    Ans. Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood:
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    1. The living Jesus, in His preincarnate state (a spirit) never had blood (soul) until He (who is the Word/spirit) was made to BE FLESH (Genesis 1:26). Therefore it is truthfully written about His origin and state of being, upon His physical birth.
    1 Cor. 15[45] And so it is written,
    The first man Adam was made a living soul [of blood with no spirit];
    the last Adam was made a quickening spirit [of blood with spirit].

    2. Amen! Only by the Spirit of God are we communicating through His Grace.
     
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    GE, in light of what I have recently posted, do you care to change the way of your understanding, about the state of Jesus' Resurrection, of being flesh, bone, and Spirit, sustained only by the Holy Spirit?

    If you have trouble with that, its entirely due to the fact that you might falsely believe that man was given an eternal soul.
    If that is not the case for you, then please provide some clarity of how you stand in your belief, of what "soul" is.
     
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    If blood equaled one's soul, then at flesh death the person would no longer exist. Even the devil himself couldn't come up with a better lie than to think that our soul is made of flesh and blood.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    1. You said: "the person would no longer exist".
    > Ya know, Jesus DID explain that to BE SO,
    but you are having a hard time accepting it, because of years and years of false teaching, that has twisted and saturated your thinking, of what "soul" really is!

    Matthew 10[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [blood] and body [flesh, bone] IN HELL [the grave].

    Matthew 26[24] The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man [Judas Iscarriot] by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

    2. Not so fast in your thinking! I didn't say that the flesh was "soul". I said that our blood is "soul".
    However, according to your preconceived idea, you are ASSUMING that what you have BEEN TOLD is correct, when all the while, such a belief as yours, REALLY IS the devil's LIE.
     
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    Wise in your own eyes, you're one heck of a pain in the rear. You sound like a scorpion-eating Chinese performing Shakespeare, and resemble a quack performing medieval medical practices against small pocks in the 21st century.
     
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    You never stop abusing Scripture Authority to set up and prop your blasphemous heresies. GET THIS, the Immortal and immortality and incorruptible and incorruptibility and spiritual body and life-giving spirit in 1Corinthians 15 is always Christ and never man aka Adam first adam Eve, GE, the Earcreeper whoever. Never!
     
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    I am not abusing anything!! You just don't pay attention to what others write!

    Read this scripture, and you will understand what I say:
    1 Cor. 15[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality [who is Christ]
    54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption [who is Christ], and this mortal shall have put on immortality [who is Christ], then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory

    [Insertions are mine]
     
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    Isa. 53[12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul [life] unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Lev. 17[11] For the life [soul] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

    Soul=blood
    Blood=soul
     
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    "He took the CUP and ..." "This" - the cup-- of wood, bone? who knows? No, of blood, say you. So the wine! say you! No! Not?, What then?
    Mid-school stuff!
     
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    You are abusing Scripture. You just don't pay attention to what YOU write! Read this Scripture, and you will understand what IT, say:
    1 Cor. 15:53 For this corruptible (Adam the first and son - I and you) must [in the resurrection of the dead] put on incorruption, and this mortal (Ditto) must put on immortality [which Christ shall bestow on Ditto - Adam the first and all sons SAVED].

    "Immortality" is <Christ who> is "put on" / "Immortality" is <Christ who> must be "put on" / "Immortality" is <Christ who>, being "put on", "puts on" upon man, "immortality".

    Christ is both He that "is, put on", and He who, "puts on". Christ is Subject as well as Object.

    But Adam - "this -- this" - is the very same "corruptible", the very same 'mortal' / 'mortality' - 'man', WHO MUST BE AND "must, put on immortality", "54 so when this corruptible man shall have put on incorruption [who is Christ], and this mortal man shall have put on immortality [who is Christ], then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory" --- JUST WHAT I said...

    Protasis: 'If'-Supposition ... Apodosis: 'then-also'-Inevitable ... or not, the result is the same...

    1Corinthians 15:44-45

    "(If) There is a natural body
    "and (if) there is a Spiritual Body (also) (44b)
    "it is Written— (45a)

    "Sown (born) a natural body— (44a)
    "the first man Adam (45b)
    "was made a living being / soul (45c)

    "There also is a Spiritual Body (therefore)— (44c)
    "the Last Adam— (45c)
    "Life-Giving-Spirit" (45d)

    the Lord Jesus "raised in incorruption". (42c)

    You just don't pay attention to what others write!
     
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    The Word Who, pre-incarnate, had been, and still is Spirit and immortal, <<became flesh (mortal with bone, flesh and blood)>>. "He poured out His SOUL" -- NOT <blood>, for an Atonement over and against our 'blood' or 'life'; because "the LIFE is in the blood" of the "living soul" or being, 'Adam'.

    Therefore yes, Jesus -- Immortality -- GOD -- The Immortal, died as a mortal Man which no man or mortal understands OR CAN understand or explain, but only will BELIEVE and understand IF GOD WILL. And so the <<physical Resurrect(ion) into "flesh and bone" being that of (Christ Jesus') New Life of immortality>>, is <<sustained>>, and is INHERENT AND ESSENTIAL of <only> the God existing and living in The Full Fellowship of Father Son and Holy Spirit. Romans 1:3,4.

    NB: ‘flesh’ is all ‘flesh’ whether meat or sinew or nerve or blood or bone or whatever material or however EXPRESSED semantically.
     
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    Jesus was the firstborn (raised/resurrected) from the dead into NEW life. Which is to say also, the firstborn among many brethren.

    When Thomas visually saw Jesus, and was invited by Jesus for him to touch His wounds, and to thrust his hand into His side, was Jesus visually mortal or immortal, at that time of His visitation to the disciples?
     
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    You sound like a "ricochet rabbit" . Your thinking (words) are all over the place.
    Your thoughts are random and disconnected. We are not talking about the symbolism of wine, being represented by His shed (poured out) Blood. We are literally talking about blood, and what it actually is to God!
     
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    Back to the blood (life/soul), that Jesus poured out/shed for our Atonement.

    Throughout all the bible, blood is the central theme, and is of great concern, and a requirement of God, that our blood be covered/atoned for by another blood, which is Christ's.
    Albeit, that requirement is for this dispensation of our mortal flesh, and therefore after our resurrection, as with Christ, blood is not necessary or required in His realm of immortality, but...the Spirit is required and necessary.
    For without Him, Eternal Life or Immortality cannot be sustained! Romans 8:8-9
     
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