'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

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However, Jesus resurrected into the NEW Life of Immortal flesh by the Holy Spirit, which is the sustaining life of His immortal flesh.
Therefore, Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit, a whole new creature/creation.

No, Jesus resurrected "the Resurrection and Life" He all his life had been before He gave THAT Life -- "laid it down" -- and "took up again" THAT SELFSAME LIFE AND BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD "raised in incorruption", not by the Holy Spirit only, but in the Full Fellowship of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, HIMSELF in the SAME Full Fellowship of Father Son and Holy Spirit being <<the sustaining life of His [NOW] immortal [RESURRECTED] flesh>> In Total Being "raised in incorruption".

Therefore, to say <<Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit, a whole new creature/creation>> is absolute haughty in its ignorance blabbering. "THIS SAME JESUS YOU CRUCIFIED AND KILLED GOD RAISED LORD AND CHRIST."
 

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No, Jesus resurrected "the Resurrection and Life" He all his life had been before He gave THAT Life -- "laid it down" -- and "took up again" THAT SELFSAME LIFE AND BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD "raised in incorruption", not by the Holy Spirit only, but in the Full Fellowship of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, HIMSELF in the SAME Full Fellowship of Father Son and Holy Spirit being <<the sustaining life of His [NOW] immortal [RESURRECTED] flesh>> In Total Being "raised in incorruption".

Therefore, to say <<Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit, a whole new creature/creation>> is absolute haughty in its ignorance blabbering. "THIS SAME JESUS YOU CRUCIFIED AND KILLED GOD RAISED LORD AND CHRIST."
Jesus was not resuscitated from the living, He was Resurrected from the dead!!
There is a difference!!

A person can technically and clinically die, but if they can be resuscitated in a specific number of minutes, they can be brought back from that death, but only to their old life of bone-flesh-blood.

Jesus was dead much longer than a couple of minutes, whereby all the cells in His organs died.
And, having poured out all of His blood, His heart was unable to continue pumping, and therefore stopped and died also.

Technically and clinically, Jesus died man's death for all of us.
Therefore, in His Resurrection TO NEW Life, it wasn't back to the old mortal
bone-flesh-blood existence
, but rather the New Life existence, which is immortal
bone-flesh-spirit existence.
An entirely "New creature".
 

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No, Jesus resurrected "the Resurrection and Life" He all his life had been before He gave THAT Life -- "laid it down" -- and "took up again" THAT SELFSAME LIFE AND BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD "raised in incorruption", not by the Holy Spirit only, but in the Full Fellowship of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, HIMSELF in the SAME Full Fellowship of Father Son and Holy Spirit being <<the sustaining life of His [NOW] immortal [RESURRECTED] flesh>> In Total Being "raised in incorruption".

Therefore, to say <<Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit, a whole new creature/creation>> is absolute haughty in its ignorance blabbering. "THIS SAME JESUS YOU CRUCIFIED AND KILLED GOD RAISED LORD AND CHRIST."
Again, you must answer this question:
Since "flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG, how is Jesus in the KoG having "flesh and blood" ?
1 Cor. 15[50] Now this I say, brethren, that *flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

As specific as *those words are, and are specific in what is being said, why/how is it that Jesus did NOT say "flesh and blood", but rather "flesh and bone", thusly excluding blood purposely?
My answer is: if He was to be Immortal, the Spirit was all that is needed to sustain Him FOREVER. Blood was no longer required or necessary!
 

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Does anyone here know what immortal flesh looks like?
NO! But we do have the eyewitnesses of the disciples, informing us:
1 John 1[1] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

But some here say that the immortal, indestructible, uncorruptible flesh, being the forever Living Christ...needs blood?

Jesus now NEEDS food, to make blood?
To STAY ALIVE??
What? Isn't that saying that HIs blood cells are DYING, and need to be replaced regularly?
HIs Blood cells DIE??
That's immortality??

So, what does blood do?
Blood is needed to keep us mortals alive. It brings *oxygen and nutrients to all the parts of the body so they can keep working.
Blood carries *carbon dioxide and other waste materials to the lungs, kidneys, and digestive system to be removed from the body. Blood also fights infections, and carries hormones around the body.

*Note- "the breath of life"

So then, if the Resurrected Jesus still has blood, can He bleed?
And if so, can He bleed to death?
But if not, then by having no blood, he should remain alive, because HE IS IMMORTAL, requiring no blood, and therefore cannot die for lack of blood.
 

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it is only what is written in Scripture. Can you show anything in Scripture contrary to that ?

Flat out contradictory in itself and, as pertaining Scripture. If <<it is only what is written in Scripture>> then don't quote you -- quote the Scripture.

Therefore, can I, show anything in Scripture contrary to <<Jesus IS NOT bone-flesh and blood any longer, but rather bone-flesh and Spirit>>?! Are you daft and blind or worse, are you a disciple of the Earcreeper?!
 

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Soul=blood,

Blood=soul.
Until one comprehends that, they will forever be in a fog about what the word "soul" is.

Ja. So it goes, Until one comprehends that <<Soul=blood, Blood=soul>>, he will forever be in a fog about what the Earlizard says, that Jesus died and rose without a soul, bloodless, <<flesh and bone>>.

WERE IT NOT that the Holy Spirit of God dwells in truth and not in lying and satanic deception, this exchange with you, would not have happened!
 

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Soul=blood,

Blood=soul.
Until one comprehends that, they will forever be in a fog about what the word "soul" is.
ITS OUR BLOOD!!
Our blood feeds our flesh, by carrying oxygenated air to every organ and its each grouping of living cells!
Leviticus 17[11a] For the life of the flesh is in the blood:...

Now unfortunately, to understand that, you will have to fight off every corrupt thought of what you have been told down through thousands of years, of what "soul" is.
KJV: Genesis 3. "Man BECAME a living soul. He didn't get one!!
Moses, in his ignorance DID NOT KNOW what Oxygen was, so he called it "the breath of life". See also Genesis 7:21-22.

Think through the corrupted thoughts of Religion, and any other foul imaginings of what man has conjured up through the years of what "soul" is.
Soul=blood,
Blood=soul.

BTW, there is much more to be learned about it through the KJV Bible, if you will just entertain this truthful concept of what I have said thus far, including Jesus and His Resurrection!

We belong in different categories of animated intelligence existence.
 

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Ja. So it goes, Until one comprehends that <<Soul=blood, Blood=soul>>, he will forever be in a fog about what the Earlizard says, that Jesus died and rose without a soul, bloodless, <<flesh and bone>>.

WERE IT NOT that the Holy Spirit of God dwells in truth and not in lying and satanic deception, this exchange with you, would not have happened!
Though Leviticus speaks of animal sacrifice under the OC, today * moving forward under the NC, we understand that it is *Christ who was to come, and be the Sacrifice of Himself for our Atonement.
Leviticus 17[ 11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and *[moving forward to Christ] I have given it *[Christ's blood] to you upon the altar [cross] to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood *[of Christ] that maketh AN atonement for the soul.
*Isaiah 53[12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because *he hath POURED OUT his **soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
**Note- His blood

Mat. 26[ 28 ] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

John 19 [ 34 ] But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side , and forthwith came there out blood and water.
 

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But some here say that the immortal, indestructible, uncorruptible flesh, being the forever Living Christ...needs blood?
Coward, who is your <some here>?
Deceiver, who here says <<Christ...needs blood>>?

"THIS JESUS WHOM YOU CRUCIFIED GOD RAISED CHRIST AND LORD" WHILE ALL SCRIPTURE TESTIFIES TO HIS FLAWLESS AND UNSCATHED, ETERNAL, INTEGRITY AS THE PERFECT LAMB OF GOD.
 

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Jesus answered him, He who has seen Me, has seen the Father. He who has seen Jesus has seen more than <<what immortal flesh looks like>> -- he has seen The Immortal and immortality.
The Word was preincarnate Spirit and immortal, then became flesh (mortal with bone, flesh and blood), poured out His blood (soul) for an Atonement over and against our blood (soul), died as a mortal, and then physically Resurrected into "flesh and bone" , being that of His New Life of immortality, sustained only by the Spirit of God.
 

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Though Leviticus speaks of animal sacrifice under the OC, today * moving forward under the NC, we understand that it is *Christ who was to come, and be the Sacrifice of Himself for our Atonement.
Leviticus 17[ 11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and *[moving forward to Christ] I have given it *[Christ's blood] to you upon the altar [cross] to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood *[of Christ] that maketh AN atonement for the soul.
*Isaiah 53[12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because *he hath POURED OUT his **soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
**Note- His blood

Mat. 26[ 28 ] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

John 19 [ 34 ] But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side , and forthwith came there out blood and water.

I say as a great Protestant once said: Everything that is contrary Scripture must INSTANTLY be resisted as DIABOLICAL! You manipulate - TRY to - the Word of God for your horrible heresy, that Jesus did not "come" --from the dead-- "in the flesh".

Not even your pretence makes sense that Jesus as <<the immortal, indestructible, uncorruptible flesh, being the forever Living Christ>> does not <<need blood>>.

First He at no stage ever was just <<uncorruptible flesh>>, but ALWAYS was and is The incorruptible ONLY "Life-Giving-Spirit" The Almighty, who "CAME IN THE FLESH".

Two: If Christ now does not <<need blood>>, how is it that YOU, insist He needs be <<flesh-and-bone>> and that, a.t.y. almighty comprehension of Jesus' Deity, BLOODLESS flesh-and-bone?

Three: Wherein, if the <<life=blood blood=life>>, was the Life of God the Son before He "came in the flesh" and became the Man Jesus THE ONE YOU CRUCIFIED WHOM GOD RAISED LORD AND CHRIST?

It is despicable this your wisdom contrary the Faith of all God's People of all times, an abomination in the sight, in the face, of God, so unashamedly, so haughtily, so PROUD AND BLOWN UP AN IMAGINATION of cerebral inferiority.
 

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Matthew 10[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both *soul and **body IN
***hell.

Note:
* blood
** flesh
*** the grave
 

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I say as a great Protestant once said: Everything that is contrary Scripture must INSTANTLY be resisted as DIABOLICAL! You manipulate - TRY to - the Word of God for your horrible heresy, that Jesus did not "come" --from the dead-- "in the flesh".

Not even your pretence makes sense that Jesus as <<the immortal, indestructible, uncorruptible flesh, being the forever Living Christ>> does not <<need blood>>.

First He at no stage ever was just <<uncorruptible flesh>>, but ALWAYS was and is The incorruptible ONLY "Life-Giving-Spirit" The Almighty, who "CAME IN THE FLESH".

Two: If Christ now does not <<need blood>>, how is it that YOU, insist He needs be <<flesh-and-bone>> and that, a.t.y. almighty comprehension of Jesus' Deity, BLOODLESS flesh-and-bone?

Three: Wherein, if the <<life=blood blood=life>>, was the Life of God the Son before He "came in the flesh" and became the Man Jesus THE ONE YOU CRUCIFIED WHOM GOD RAISED LORD AND CHRIST?

It is despicable this your wisdom contrary the Faith of all God's People of all times, an abomination in the sight, in the face, of God, so unashamedly, so haughtily, so PROUD AND BLOWN UP AN IMAGINATION of cerebral inferiority.
1. Yes! The Lord Jesus Christ in His preincarnate state of immortality.
2. Simply because Christ said so!
3. Yes, soul=blood, blood=soul.
Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:...

"...fear him which is able to destroy both *soul and **body
IN***hell.