How to recognize a real Teacher... Pt 2

[marksman]

Isn't it better to understand someone before criticizing them?

Much love!

How can you do that if what he says does not make sense?

 

[marks]

How can you do that if what he says does not make sense?

Oh, but it does! But you do not see it.

But even so . . . should you not understand before criticizing? Otherwise, isn't it just lashing out?

 

[marks]

I would just point out what it says in the following scripture:

Luk 13:1, There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
Luk 13:2, And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4, Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Are you thinking that this somehow means we were not reconciled to God by Jesus even before we repented?

Much love!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I can't believe that nobody has asked you to prove this remark from Scripture . . .

Do you know that Paul was murdered, went to Heaven, and came back and continued to teach for many more years, even tho he wanted to not come back here?

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[marks]

Because it seems to me that in many of his posts he has taught that it is Christian failure to take advantage of the promise that we find in 1 John 1:9...that 1 John 1:8 does not apply to the believer...and that 1 John 1:7 is also not to be obeyed in the sense of its context in 1 John 1:9.

Now, have I gotten this wrong?

What he's actually teaching, @Behold may correct me if I'm misunderstanding . . . that to live knowing that we sin, and that our sins will be forgiven if we confess, is to live according to the old man's way of relating to God. We confess and are forgiven, and that's how we are saved. Born again.

But do we keep returning to be born again, again? After we have been forgiven and regenerated, born from above, we should move on into the new live where we are reconciled to God, and we relate to Him on that basis.

If we keep thinking according to the old way, we will live according to the old way. But as we renew our minds to think the new way, then this is what changes our behavior into the new way.

1 John 1:9 is being born again, and trying to repeat that over and over keeps us in the wrong mindset.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Do you know that Paul was murdered, went to Heaven, and came back and continued to teach for many more years, even tho he wanted to not come back here?...

Hi Behold,

I haven't heard/read this before. Where can I find this information?

Thank you in advance....Mary

 

[justbyfaith]

What he's actually teaching, @Behold may correct me if I'm misunderstanding . . . that to live knowing that we sin, and that our sins will be forgiven if we confess, is to live according to the old man's way of relating to God. We confess and are forgiven, and that's how we are saved. Born again.

But do we keep returning to be born again, again? After we have been forgiven and regenerated, born from above, we should move on into the new live where we are reconciled to God, and we relate to Him on that basis.

If we keep thinking according to the old way, we will live according to the old way. But as we renew our minds to think the new way, then this is what changes our behavior into the new way.

1 John 1:9 is being born again, and trying to repeat that over and over keeps us in the wrong mindset.

Much love!

I believe that confessing our sins is a practical way of walking in the light as He is in the light, personally.

 

[justbyfaith]

I can't believe that nobody has asked you to prove this remark from Scripture . . .

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

Hi Behold,

I haven't heard/read this before. Where can I find this information?

Thank you in advance....Mary

Acts of the Apostles 14:19, 2 Corinthians 12:1-6.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Acts of the Apostles 14:19, 2 Corinthians 12:1-6.

You’ve GOT to be kidding.

NEITHER of these passages states that Paul was “murdered” and then returned to teach again.
This is what happens when people interpret Scripture for themselves without having proper discernment.

Good grief . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hi Behold,

I haven't heard/read this before. Where can I find this information?

Thank you in advance....Mary

Because it's a LIE based on shoddy interpretation . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

You’ve GOT to be kidding.

NEITHER of these passages states that Paul was “murdered” and then returned to teach again.
This is what happens when people interpret Scripture for themselves without having proper discernment.

Good grief . . .

Because it's a LIE based on shoddy interpretation . . .

@BOL, you make me laugh sometimes.

Those scriptures together show that Paul was stoned and his persecutors believed him to be dead.

Many commentators believe that it was at this point that Paul has his experience that he speaks of in 2 Corinthians.

You can take it or leave it.

If you leave it, it is no skin off my back and probably not even yours. For it is not a salvation issue.

 

[marks]

I believe that confessing our sins is a practical way of walking in the light as He is in the light, personally.

I'm not talking about not being real with God about sin. Real life with God is to be real with Him in all respects. The thing is, He knows me so much better than I know me, I can rest in His mercy that regard also!

I'm talking about confessing sin to receive forgiveness.

Much love!

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

I'm not talking about not being real with God about sin. Real life with God is to be real with Him in all respects. The thing is, He knows me so much better than I know me, I can rest in His mercy that regard also!

I'm talking about confessing sin to receive forgiveness.

Much love!

Which is exactly what Jesus told the disciples to pray-our father...

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm not talking about not being real with God about sin. Real life with God is to be real with Him in all respects. The thing is, He knows me so much better than I know me, I can rest in His mercy that regard also!

I'm talking about confessing sin to receive forgiveness.

Much love!

It is actually a promise in holy scripture.

And it is not made null and void after you have been born again.

If I sin against my father or brother, my relationship to them does not change: I am still their son or brother.

But in order for fellowship to be restored, it is a good thing if I would apologize to them. Then they can "forgive" me...and this "forgiveness" does not make me their brother or son once more...that relationship never changed.

 

[marks]

But in order for fellowship to be restored,

This is what reconciliation means. Restore to fellowship. That's what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Then they can "forgive" me...and this "forgiveness" does not make me their brother or son once more...that relationship never changed.

But with God, not having forgiveness is the same thing as remaining under condemnation. Sins separate us from God, but Jesus separated us from our sins.

Much love!

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BOL, you make me laugh sometimes.

Those scriptures together show that Paul was stoned and his persecutors believed him to be dead.

Many commentators believe that it was at this point that Paul has his experience that he speaks of in 2 Corinthians.

You can take it or leave it.

If you leave it, it is no skin off my back and probably not even yours. For it is not a salvation issue.

I’m aware of Paul’s stoning in Lystra and the parallels with 2 Cor. 12.

AND - I would have accepted something like, “It’s possible that Paul was killed in Lystra and was miraculously brought back to life.”

But, to say that Paul was “murdered” – then reluctantly came back is nonsense - for which there is NO Scriptural support

 

[justbyfaith]

@marks,

If we come to faith in Jesus Christ by taking the step of confessing our sins; and this brings forgiveness; then do you assume that unconfessed sin is forgiven from that point forward?

I believe that our relationship of walking in the Spirit (and the light) has to do with being transparent before the Lord; and this means confessing our sins as the Holy Spirit pinpoints them in our lives.

On a separate note, I think that @Behold thinks that he is the only one that anyone will listen to here eventually; at least he is vying to monopolize all of the teaching here on these boards.

But people here, will be paying attention to scriptural discussions about what he is teaching; and this will affect their theology; while he may continue to drift on in blindness.

 

[justbyfaith]

I’m aware of Paul’s stoning in Lystra and the parallels with 2 Cor. 12.

AND - I would have accepted something like, “It’s possible that Paul was killed in Lystra and was miraculously brought back to life.”

But, to say that Paul was “murdered” – then reluctantly came back is nonsense - for which there is NO Scriptural support

There is Philippians 1:21-23.

It is far better to be with Christ in heaven; who would want to come back to earth after having been in His presence for any length of time?

Paul came back for the sake of those to whom he would be ministering; it would be better for them and it was needful for them that he return and minister to them.

Therefore, since I am certain that Paul, to a certain extent, did not want to return to earth, that he did so reluctantly.

But of course, the preaching of the Cross is nonsense to those who are perishing...

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is Philippians 1:21-23.

It is far better to be with Christ in heaven; who would want to come back to earth after having been in His presence for any length of time?

Paul came back for the sake of those to whom he would be ministering; it would be better for them and it was needful for them that he return and minister to them.

Therefore, since I am certain that Paul, to a certain extent, did not want to return to earth, that he did so reluctantly.

But of course, the preaching of the Cross is nonsense to those who are perishing...

Again, this us conjecture - not Scriptural fact.

Learn the difference.