How to recognize a real Teacher... Pt 2

[CharismaticLady]

That is NOT an assumption but a biblical fact. The sin nature is not eradicated upon conversion, therefore the apostles exhort Christians to crucify the flesh (the sin nature). If there was no flesh, there would be no need to crucify it.

This reveals that you know nothing about justification by grace through faith, and are also falsely accusing others of teaching people that they can go on sinning after they are converted.

Since you got this correctly, how come you have such a poor understanding of salvation by grace through faith, and also claim to be sinlessly perfect?

I believe you and I have different definitions of Grace. Mine is in 2 Peter 1:2-4 (divine power of God given to us). What and where is yours?

 

[justbyfaith]

I believe you and I have different definitions of Grace. Mine is in 2 Peter 1:2-4 (divine power of God). Where is yours?

Mine is in 1 Peter 5:10-12 (kjv).

But it is also as many godly teachers have defined it, with five definitions that I can think of:

1) getting what we don't deserve (heaven)...as opposed to mercy...not getting what we do deserve (hell).

2) unmerited favour

3) the enabling power of God

4) God's Riches At Christ's Expense

5) Goodness Rendered As Christ Empowers.

 

[marksman]

Thank you for your opinion.
Try to live for more.....if possible.

That is not my opinion. That is the facts as set out by teaching professionals who train teachers.

Live for more what? leaving things hanging is definitely not the mark of a teacher.

 

[marksman]

The reason you dont quote where you say....."he is all over the place" is because you can't.
This is dishonest.. So, work on that, get that under control.....and you'll find that you can read my posts and find help.
My Posts and my Threads, demand that you lay aside all self righteousness.
That is why they can sting.

What, you mean like laying aside your self righteousness.

 

[marksman]

Cast a quote of mine, or keep on deceiving.
You choose.

I have written a lot of Threads.
God and find some quotes that are "all over the place", and lets see what happens next.

God and find? What are you expecting God to find?

 

[marksman]

But if you want to do something for God, including stop sinning and repenting, then stick with me, and i can take you there.B

No, you can't. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Another blunder that is a sign you are not a teacher.

 

[marksman]

Hi marksman,

Do you understand the key point @Behold is addressing? About sin and law and condemnation and the power of sin?

Much love!

Interesting you should say that. He is adamant that he is the greatest teacher in Christendom. If that is the case, why is it difficult to understand what he is talking about. Every teacher I have had the blessing of being taught by always started at the beginning built his case and then summed up at the end. He has done none of that.

Derek Prince who is a master teacher and who has Ph.D.s in Hebrew and Greek and who was a Professor at Cambridge University, visited our church every year to teach us. Despite his learning and qualifications, I understood every word he said such was his ability to teach.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

A person who is a legalist, ..
this is a person who believes they can lose their salvation, & will always be fascinated with these terms.

1. OSAS
2. Cheap Grace
3. Easy Believism
4. greasy gracers
5.License to sin

Every Legalist is proven to be so, and are known to be so, as they are all involved with trying to deny the Grace of God, as "cheap" or "easy", or "license".
JUDE teaches about these carnal deceived 2000 yrs ago, and Paul defines them as Galatians 1:8.

Is it possible, that what each individual believes, is the true doctrine for them? I now believe that The Lord meets people according to where their faith lies. I'm going to attempt to respect everyone's 'Christian' beliefs.
'do not forbid them, whoever is not against us, is for us' (luke 9:50)

 

[Behold]

Is it possible, that what each individual believes, is the true doctrine for them? I now believe that The Lord meets people according to where their faith lies. I'm going to attempt to respect everyone's 'Christian' beliefs.
'do not forbid them, whoever is not against us, is for us' (luke 9:50)

You are are talking about "blind tolerance".
Never do that.
If you are born again, you are to "know them by their fruit", and the main way you discern a liar, or a heretic, (same thing), a deceiver, is how they represent their salvation.
If their theology abuses The Cross, = lifts up commandments and enduring and abiding, and self effort.... the you are dealing with a dark light.
They are fallen from Grace, and they are trying to keep themselves saved.
Always LISTEN for THAT.....See, every heretic will be trying to Keep themselves SAVED.
This is because they have NO FAITH IN CHRIST To keep them Saved.
Always LISTEN For this, as they will always show you their "self saving" self righteousness.
Never listen to this person.
Never.

 

[justbyfaith]

If their theology abuses The Cross, = lifts up commandments and enduring and abiding, and self effort.... the you are dealing with a dark light.

1Jo 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 2:28, And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jo 2:29, If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

First of all, abiding is not done out of self-effort; it simply means staying connected to the vine as a branch....continuing in a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Secondly, the passage above tells us that it is the anointing of the Holy Ghost who teaches us to abide.

Never listen to this person.
Never.

Never listen to the anointing of the Holy Ghost? Such good advice!

(not!)

Never listen to this person.
Never.

 

[marks]

Interesting you should say that. He is adamant that he is the greatest teacher in Christendom. If that is the case, why is it difficult to understand what he is talking about. Every teacher I have had the blessing of being taught by always started at the beginning built his case and then summed up at the end. He has done none of that.

Derek Prince who is a master teacher and who has Ph.D.s in Hebrew and Greek and who was a Professor at Cambridge University, visited our church every year to teach us. Despite his learning and qualifications, I understood every word he said such was his ability to teach.

But do you understand the point he is making? Whether you agree or not, can you fairly restate it?

Much love!

 

[marks]

I'm glad. Honestly I've had a really frustrating day, so hear you say that was a good feeling.

I'm still laughing about it!

Yep . . . I can write Volumes! A pithy response could be a drink of cold water!

 

[marks]

Is it possible, that what each individual believes, is the true doctrine for them? I now believe that The Lord meets people according to where their faith lies. I'm going to attempt to respect everyone's 'Christian' beliefs.
'do not forbid them, whoever is not against us, is for us' (luke 9:50)

I think that God gives a lot of mercy in dealing with us! And I think that our faith will determine much about how we live with God in this world.

But I don't think there are multiple truths, and that whichever we believe will be true in our case.

Take for instance the "baptism of the Holy Spirit". Myself, I believe there is one baptism, and that is by the Spirit, into Christ. But I also believe that we may receive additional "fillings" of the Holy Spirit. Now, let's say I ask God for more of Him, more power in my life, Oh! Baptize me in Spirit, I cry out! I don't think God then sits there and says, Nope! You've already had that! Now, if you were asking for a filling . . .

I think God looks at our heart and acts according to what is true, even if we have the wrong idea some times.

Now, in this particular regard, as that a complete trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ when He died, and we died in Him, I think that faith is the determiner in what extent we will enjoy this benefit.

If we don't believe our sins are addressed once and for all time, then we will not live the same way as if we do. And in this case, I would say, Be it to you according to your faith.

Since you are the one who is determining where your focus is, whether on the requirements of law and therefore the empowering of sin, or on the righteousness of Christ given to us, and therefore the empowering of righteousness.

I think that if we all understood the Bible correctly in every instance, we would all be in complete agreement about everything.

Much love!

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

You are are talking about "blind tolerance".
Never do that.
If you are born again, you are to "know them by their fruit", and the main way you discern a liar, or a heretic, (same thing), a deceiver, is how they represent their salvation.
If their theology abuses The Cross, = lifts up commandments and enduring and abiding, and self effort.... the you are dealing with a dark light.
They are fallen from Grace, and they are trying to keep themselves saved.
Always LISTEN for THAT.....See, every heretic will be trying to Keep themselves SAVED.
This is because they have NO FAITH IN CHRIST To keep them Saved.
Always LISTEN For this, as they will always show you their "self saving" self righteousness.
Never listen to this person.
Never.

Blind tolerance-I like that

Jesus told His disciples to abide in Him (John 15).

deceivers/liars are good actors-pretend salvation, pretend fruit(s), quote verses, put on ‘believer’ masks.

self saving-ok (‘it is finished’)

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Take for instance the "baptism of the Holy Spirit". Myself, I believe there is one baptism, and that is by the Spirit, into Christ. But I also believe that we may receive additional "fillings" of the Holy Spirit. Now, let's say I ask God for more of Him, more power in my life, Oh! Baptize me in Spirit, I cry out! I don't think God then sits there and says, Nope! You've already had that! Now, if you were asking for a filling . . .

If you believe that, you will receive it...if you don’t?.. (but then The Lord has done things in me that I wasn’t expecting) ‘who can know the mind of The Lord’

 

[Enoch111]

If that is the case, why is it difficult to understand what he is talking about.

Self-delusion is a very powerful thing within some people. Moses' sister Miriam was self-deluded and paid a steep price. Now there's a lesson some should take to heart.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Not quite sure how this got here.....oh well, maybe somebody needed to see it...lol....

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Grace sure isn’t fair, is it......especially that part where Jesus says that “ Where Sin Abounds, Grace abounds that much more”
It is The Shed Blood Of Christ and our total Faith in That ALONE that saves us.....If one thinks they can take God's Grace and “ Sin and Get Away With It” , God will not hesitate to take any of His Children to the “ WoodShed”......That is the place where Foolish and Ignorant Saved Believers go to get their Attitudes Adjusted. For their OWN GOOD.
Salvation was a Gift to all that come to God with Faith in Jesus to wash away their Sins.God’s Gifts are Without recall— that means Salvation for all those that received that Gift are forever safe and secure in their Salvation...Both “The Wise Obedient” and the “Foolish Disobedient” will be in Heaven.....Saved by FAITH — NOT Behavior .....Foolish Believers will just have more welts on their butts from their trips to that “ WoodShed” .....Abusing the Grace and Freedom That our Loving Father was able to provide to us because of the Terrible Price Jesus had to pay at the Cross is something God is not going to “ wink” at......If you don’t Believe me, go ahead and see if you can sin and get by with it....Let me no know how it goes!

 

[marksman]

But do you understand the point he is making? Whether you agree or not, can you fairly restate it?

Much love!

No, I can't make sense of what he is saying. A good teacher does not say as long as one person can understand what I am saying I have done my job. A good teacher will always make sure as many as possible understand what they are saying. That was uppermost in my kind when I taught VCE students and results proved it worked as 90% of my classes got a B or higher result.

 

[Enoch111]

A good teacher will always make sure as many as possible understand what they are saying.

Correct. A good teacher can take a complex subject and make it crystal clear. A good teacher must also express himself with clarity in order to be understood by anyone. But when it comes to spiritual matters, some have the spiritual gift of teaching, while others do not.

 

[marks]

No, I can't make sense of what he is saying.

Isn't it better to understand someone before criticizing them?

Much love!