RAPTURE QUESTIONS

[amadeus]

Beautiful verse.
But its symbolic, and the Bride of Christ, is literal. Its the Born again.

Jesus is literally coming back to take His church, His "Bride', His "body of Christ" back with Him.
They will also reign with Him, in Jerusalem.
And i hope this happens in about 15 seconds.
Yesterday would have been even better.

Symbolic? Yes, really a type or shadow of the reality of which each of us may be a part. The Head is ready, but the Body, the place for Jesus to lay his Head is a work in progress.

"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it." Psalm 132:13-14

So where is then this Zion, this parched place in need of the water of Life?

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" John 7:37-39

"And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Rev 22:1-2

 

[Randy Kluth]

Listen Randy.
You must be a mid tribber or beyond ?
So, Pay attention, and calm down.
I have not said that Armageddon isn't a part of the end times or a sign.
What i asked you, is what is the sign that is happening NOW that shows us that Christ's return is so very soon.
There is a major sign that happens long before Armageddon that is happening since '2003, that has just kept getting more obvious.
What is it?
I'll be back tomorrow after the Gym @ 5am, and after this i will need to take care of some other things., then if all is settled down here i'll come back and tell you. Its could be that someone else tells you before im back.
Its all good.

I don't know what makes you think I'm hyperventilating? I'm just fine brother.

I'm a Postrib and Premil. I just took issue with your denial that Armageddon was a "final sign" before Christ's Coming. Why does that get you emotionally charged? I just told you the truth! I'd be remiss in my calling if I didn't call you on that.

I understand you're playing some kind of trick to make a point. Carry on.

 

[n2thelight]

Israel consists of the twelve tribes of Israel. Not all of them are saved. But there will be a believing remnant of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.

You can't get that(believing) after the 2nd coming,gotta believe before,if not you are the spiritually dead.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

No thats not it.
Anyone else know the final SIGN that will be found occurring in the WORLD, before Jesus comes as 2nd Thessalonians 1 8 ?

You Pre-Tribbers ...... you should know this sign.
C'mon.
Jump in.

Happened in 70 AD.

 

[Behold]

I don't know what makes you think I'm hyperventilating? I'm just fine brother.

I'm a Postrib and Premil. I just took issue with your denial that Armageddon was a "final sign" before Christ's Coming. Why does that get you emotionally charged? I just told you the truth! I'd be remiss in my calling if I didn't call you on that.

I understand you're playing some kind of trick to make a point. Carry on.

You talk a lot.
It would be nice if you said something that is helpful or that matters.

So, i'll ask you again..
What is the sign that is happening right now, world wide, that is the sure sign that Jesus is coming very very soon?

 

[Behold]

Happened in 70 AD.

Rabbit trail. = Happened in 70AD

Try not to stay in there too long.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

The Born again.
The Body of Christ
Christ is the Groom, and he's coming back for His Bride.
Notice 'Bride". A bride is Married., that is why she's a bride.......

To marry the Husband Jesus is to be born again "into" God and Christ..to become "OME" with God and Christ.....as this is the spiritual union which creates people to become SONS of God, and the "bride of Christ". = The "body of Christ" the "church".

Yes and no

JEREMIAH 3 [20] SURELY AS A WIFE TREACHEROUSLY DEPARTETH FROM HER HUSBAND, SO HAVE YE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY WITH ME, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD. [21] A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. [22] Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.

Israel is the bride

JEREMIAH 2 [31] O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been A WILDERNESS UNTO ISRAEL? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? [32] Can a maid forget her ornaments, OR A BRIDE HER ATTIRE? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Israel the bride

JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:

Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. Israel is the bride. I will take you one of a city, and two of a family. Sound familiar?

LUKE 17 [33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [34] I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT. [35] Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT. [36] Two men shall be in the field; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, AND THE OTHER LEFT.

Sure does. And they are not going to heaven {as the rapturist claim} but are taken to Zion {Jer.3v14} for the 1000yr period of rest.

REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Rabbit trail. = Happened in 70AD

Try not to stay in there too long.

Jesus was put on the cross and the children in Israel that did not accept him, wandered for approximately forty years. Just as the children of Israel that would not go into the promise land that God had given to them wandered for forty years.

It is pretty hard to not accept something that is similar to what happened in the past.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You talk a lot.
It would be nice if you said something that is helpful or that matters.

So, i'll ask you again..
What is the sign that is happening right now, world wide, that is the sure sign that Jesus is coming very very soon?

I say a lot of things that matter and can be helpful. I rarely help someone who does not have a good attitude towards me. It doesn't, frankly, help me either when you say I talk too much and don't help anybody--not edifying. So let's keep a good attitude towards one another, and please don't confuse my disagreement with anybody with the notion that I don't like them. It's just the "teacher" in me, being more interested in truth than in people. I need to work on that all the time.

Since you're going to berate any response I give that you don't personally approve of, why don't you just say what you want to say? Then I can comment.

 

[Behold]

I say a lot of things that matter and can be helpful. I rarely help someone

Ive been here less then 3 months.
I've read you.
You're not helping anyone.
Believe it.

Next you'll be telling us you're a teacher.
Seems that since i showed uo here, the "teachers" have all suddenly appeared.
I wonder where all these so called "teachers" were before i showed up.
Carry on Randy.
You're not on the right track, but at least you are adamant about being wrong.
My Threads are here for you, should you decide to find out where it all went wrong.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Ive been here less then 3 months.
I've read you.
You're not helping anyone.
Believe it.

God says different--you're not God, and obviously not much of a Christian either. You don't seem to be able to pick up on the idea of "building one another up in love." You *cannot* speak for everyone--you only speak for yourself, my friend. The fact that you think you *can* speak for everyone makes me recognize the poverty of your own posts.

The fact is, I've only been here a short time myself, and already have a significant number of "likes." That is amazing to me because I never think anything of opposing another person's viewpoint. My struggle is to be blatantly honest without personally offending them. In your case, that is a thankless task. I really want to "uplift" you, but you have a contrary spirit right now. And you are puffed up in your own self-importance. I didn't want to say that, but at this point, you're not listening anyway. So you need to hear the hard truth.

I'm not new at this. I've probably been on forums like this for the last 20 years, and I've been studying Scriptures for at least twice that long. My concern is to please the Lord, and to try to help others get the truth in a way that helps them prepare for Christ's Kingdom. We all need correction. The wise person listens to critics and becomes wiser still. The fool rejects all correction and suffers self-destruction.

Next you'll be telling us you're a teacher.
Seems that since i showed uo here, the "teachers" have all suddenly appeared.
I wonder where all these so called "teachers" were before i showed up.
Carry on Randy.
You're not on the right track, but at least you are adamant about being wrong.
My Threads are here for you, should you decide to find out where it all went wrong.

You think you're *my* teacher? If you have something positive to say, I'll let you know!

 

[Behold]

God says different--you're not God, and obviously not much of a Christian either.

I guess building one another is love is defined by you saying im not much of a christian.
Well, at least im not a jerk.
You're a jerk.

Here is the thing tho, if you have a question about the sign we are in, currently that is going to bring the Lord back here soon, you should ask me.
Otherwise, why not do something useful, like log out ?

 

[Keraz]

Theres the bride according to this new covenant scripture. Its the 12 tribes of Israel, just as the old testament says.

The NT refutes you; every faithful born again Christian is an Israelite of God. Galatians 3:26-20 & 6:14-16

If you insist on the 12 tribes being the only Israel, then please explain to us who they are today. We may identify Judah and Benjamin as the House of Judah; the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew, but He specifically said He was sent to save the lost House of Israel. Matthew 15:25. The Jews rejected and killed Him, His mission did not fail, WE Christians are the Israelites of God.

Ezekiel 37 describes a great redemption and rejoining of all the tribes. This has not yet happened; proved by how the Blessings promised have not been given yet.

 

[Keraz]

if you have a question about the sign we are in, currently that is going to bring the Lord back here soon, you should ask me.

I note that you live in Israel.

I am not going to ask you for any 'sign', because the Bible Prophets have given us ample warning of impending dramatic events.
My advice to you; is to get out of Israel ASAP, as the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is soon to decimate the entire Middle East region.
If your faith is strong enough, you may be saved as Isaiah 6:13 and Isaiah 29:4, +, say.

BTW, You display the usual Israeli arrogance and attitude of 'know it all', so expect to be uprooted, as Jeremiah 12:14 says.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I guess building one another is love is defined by you saying im not much of a christian.
Well, at least im not a jerk.
You're a jerk.

Here is the thing tho, if you have a question about the sign we are in, currently that is going to bring the Lord back here soon, you should ask me.
Otherwise, why not do something useful, like log out ?

No, I'll let God decide what to do with me...or you?

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

If you insist on the 12 tribes being the only Israel, then please explain to us who they are today.

Where are they now?

DEUT.4 [27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, AND YE SHALL BE LEFT FEW IN NUMBER AMONG THE HEATHEN, whither the LORD shall lead you.[28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.[29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.[30] WHEN THOU ART IN TRIBULATION, AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON THEE, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God,and shalt be obedient unto his voice;[31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

IN THE LATTER DAYS they are still lost and scattered amoung the heathen {gentiles}

EZEKIEL34 [9] Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; [10] Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. [11] For thus saith the Lord God;Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. [12] AS A SHEPHERD SEEKETH OUT HIS FLOCK IN THE DAY THAT HE IS AMONG HIS SHEEP THAT ARE SCATTERED; SO WILL I SEEK OUT MY SHEEP, AND WILL DELIVER THEM OUT OF ALL PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN SCATTERED IN THE CLOUDY AND DARK DAY. [13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, AND WILL BRING THEM TO THEIR OWN LAND, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

And as you can clearly see Jesus will gather His scattered sheep in the DARK and CLOUDY DAY. So whens the DARK and CLOUDY DAY?

JOEL 2 [1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; [2] A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND OF THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

THE DAY OF THE LORD

 

[Keraz]

Where are they now?

DEUT.4 [27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, AND YE SHALL BE LEFT FEW IN NUMBER AMONG THE HEATHEN, whither the LORD shall lead you.[28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.[29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.[30] WHEN THOU ART IN TRIBULATION, AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON THEE, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God,and shalt be obedient unto his voice;[31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

IN THE LATTER DAYS they are still lost and scattered amoung the heathen {gentiles}

EZEKIEL34 [9] Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; [10] Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. [11] For thus saith the Lord God;Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. [12] AS A SHEPHERD SEEKETH OUT HIS FLOCK IN THE DAY THAT HE IS AMONG HIS SHEEP THAT ARE SCATTERED; SO WILL I SEEK OUT MY SHEEP, AND WILL DELIVER THEM OUT OF ALL PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN SCATTERED IN THE CLOUDY AND DARK DAY. [13] And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, AND WILL BRING THEM TO THEIR OWN LAND, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

And as you can clearly see Jesus will gather His scattered sheep in the DARK and CLOUDY DAY. So whens the DARK and CLOUDY DAY?

JOEL 2 [1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for THE DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; [2] A DAY OF DARKNESS and of gloominess, A DAY OF CLOUDS AND OF THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

THE DAY OF THE LORD

This I agree with. God knows who His faithful people are and He will gather them on, or soon after the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Which is at least 7 to 10 years before His glorious Return.

 

[Behold]

No, I'll let God decide what to do with me...or you?

Why don't we try this..
Im willing to help you.
Why dont you post a Thread on a Topic that is taken from the NEW Testament that is not found in The Revelation.
Once you post it, i'll go to your Thread and expound it and deepen it so that the readers can get more out of it.
If you need a topic, i have many i can offer you.
Happy to help.
Just let me know, Randy.

 

[Behold]

I note that you live in Israel.

I am not going to ask you for any 'sign', because the Bible Prophets have given us ample warning of impending dramatic events.
My advice to you; is to get out of Israel ASAP, as the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.

Israel is where you want to be., as it's where the Born again are going to be living for 1000 yrs, very soon, with The Lord.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

This I agree with. God knows who His faithful people are and He will gather them on, or soon after the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Which is at least 7 to 10 years before His glorious Return.

Are you sayin the Day of the Lord will last 7 to 10 yrs?? Itll last but 1 yr.

ISAIAH 34 [2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the YEAR OF RECOMPENCES for the controversy of Zion.

The day of the Lord’s vengeance = the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

ISAIAH 63 [1]Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. [2] Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. [4] For THE DAY OF VENGEANCE is in mine heart, and THE YEAR OF MY REDEEMED IS COME.

For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] TO PROCLAIM THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn; [3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Acceptable year

JEREMIAH 48 [44] He that fleeth from the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that getteth up out of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for I will bring upon it, even upon Moab, the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord. [45] They that fled stood under the shadow of Heshbon because of the force: but a fire shall come forth out of Heshbon, and a flame from the midst of Sihon, and shall devour the corner of Moab, and the crown of the head of the tumultuous ones. [46] Woe be unto thee, O Moab! the people of Chemosh perisheth: for thy sons are taken captives, and thy daughters captives. [47] Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab IN THE LATTER DAYS, saith the Lord. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.

Year of visitation

JEREMIAH 23 [9] Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the Lord, and because of the words of his holiness. [10] For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right. [11] For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord. [12] Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord.

The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them ( Jer.23 v 5-8). This will be done in the twinkling of an eye. As for the bad guys “for I will bring evil upon them, EVEN THE YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord”.