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John 5:23 shows people written down in black and white that the Father is one person who is also the Father of Jesus and Jesus is another person who is the Son of the Father. They are not the same person. The scriptures show that the Son of God has a Father and a God, who is our Father and God.
I guess you missed this part.

John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Even the NWT admits that Jesus is God.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!

Thomas knew Jesus!
John wasn't saying Jesus is God.

John couldn't have said it any clearer! "The Word was God".
 

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John 5:23 shows people written down in black and white that the Father is one person who is also the Father of Jesus and Jesus is another person who is the Son of the Father. They are not the same person. The scriptures show that the Son of God has a Father and a God, who is our Father and God.

JW don't hate John 1:1 JW don't believe that the Apostle John denied Jesus was the Only Begotten Son of God as trinitarians do. John tells us in his Gospel that the things he wrote about Jesus was written so that people would have faith that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God. This would include John 1:1. So John was saying Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. John wasn't saying Jesus is God.
Did you miss this question? "Do you believe you're a god?"
 

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I guess you missed this part.

John 14:9 He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Even the NWT admits that Jesus is God.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!

Thomas knew Jesus!


John couldn't have said it any clearer! "The Word was God".

I didn't miss that part at John 14:9 but thus objects a trinitarian, by saying are you not forgetting what Jesus said to the apostle Philip? What was that? This: “Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.” John 14:9 AV Ah, yes, but that is far different from Jesus’ saying, ‘I am the Father.’ Jesus had just told Philip and the other faithful apostles that he was going away to God his Father; and so how could Jesus in the same breath say that Philip, when looking at Jesus, was looking at the Father? Jesus could not have meant that, for he dissociated God his Father from himself, just as when he said: “Ye believe in God, believe also in me.” John 14:1 AV Why the expression “also in me,” if Jesus were God himself? Philip asked Jesus: “Lord, shew us the Father,” and Jesus answered that that was what he had been doing all along, namely, showing them the Father. He had been explaining who his heavenly Father was. He had been showing them what his heavenly Father was like. He imitated his Father. He was like him, so much so that when one saw Jesus it was as if seeing his Father.

By saying: “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father,” Jesus could not have meant that the apostles were seeing God, the One whom Jesus addressed or spoke of as Father. Many years after Jesus said those words, the apostle John wrote: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. . . . grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.John 1:14, 17, 18 AV By thus declaring God his Father, by explaining him, by giving an account of him, by being and acting like him, Jesus produced the effect that the apostles, by seeing Jesus, saw God his Father also.

Hence Jesus said to the Jews: “The Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” John 5:37 AV But those Jews did see Jesus’ shape and hear his voice. Also, Jesus told them that if they had believed the prophet Moses they would also have believed him; and Jesus knew from Moses’ writings that God had said to Moses up in the mountain: “Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.” EX.33:20 AV But those Jews did see Jesus and live, which proved that Jesus was not God. So John 14:9 also fails to prove that Jesus is God.

No the NWT doesn't admit Jesus is God, but there you go twisting things again. JW don't take two or three scriptures and hang a doctrine on it. We take all the scriptures that talk about who Jesus is. It seems to me that you think Thomas to be an idiot, but he wasn't. Thomas knew that even though he exclaimed, "My Lord and My God" after he felt the wounds on Jesus feet and hands and side that Jesus had told Mary when she was there the morning Jesus had been resurrected told her to tell his Apostles which included Thomas that he(Jesus) was going to his Father and their(Apostles) Father , his God and their God.
 

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Did you miss this question? "Do you believe you're a god?"

I didn't miss the question, I chose not to answer a question where you're clearly scoffing God's Word. I mean Jesus shows in Scripture that the Israelite judges were said to be gods and then you ask a question like that. You don't like that the scriptures call Israelite judges God's that's your problem. Don't ask me foolish questions like that.
 

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I didn't miss the question, I chose not to answer a question where you're clearly scoffing God's Word. I mean Jesus shows in Scripture that the Israelite judges were said to be gods and then you ask a question like that. You don't like that the scriptures call Israelite judges God's that's your problem. Don't ask me foolish questions like that.
Ok, I must assume you think you're a god.
 

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Yes it does! Couldn't be any clearer. Maybe you can persuade Kingdom Hall to edit it.

WT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!

As I said we go by what all the scriptures say about Jesus, trinitarians don't. When Jesus says he has a Father and a God that's true. Thomas knew that. So when Thomas said My Lord and My God to Jesus he definitely wasn't calling Jesus a liar. As I said Thomas knew that Jesus had a Father who was also Thomas Father, and Thomas knew that Jesus had a God that was also Thomas God. So when Thomas said My Lord and My God Thomas wasn't in any way saying Jesus was the creator or the source of all life because Thomas knew The creator of all things and the source of all life was Jehovah God who was the Father and God of Jesus and our Father and God as well
 

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As I said we go by what all the scriptures say about Jesus, trinitarians don't. When Jesus says he has a Father and a God that's true. Thomas knew that. So when Thomas said My Lord and My God to Jesus he definitely wasn't calling Jesus a liar. As I said Thomas knew that Jesus had a Father who was also Thomas Father, and Thomas knew that Jesus had a God that was also Thomas God. So when Thomas said My Lord and My God Thomas wasn't in any way saying Jesus was the creator or the source of all life because Thomas knew The creator of all things and the source of all life was Jehovah God who was the Father and God of Jesus and our Father and God as well
Thomas knew Jesus personally. You are brainwashed by Kingdom Hall.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!
 

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You can assume all you want, but you'll find nothing in any of my posts that I said or implied that I was a God.
I was simply trying to get you to admit what you believe. You still didn't deny that you believe you're a god.
 

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Thomas knew Jesus personally. You are brainwashed by Kingdom Hall.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!

I'm not going to call Jesus a liar, because Jesus said to Mary Magdalene after he was resurrected to tell his brothers that he ascends to his Father and their Father and to his God and their God atJohn 20:17. In this verse Jesus admits he has a Father and a God and this is after Jesus was resurrected.
 

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I was simply trying to get you to admit what you believe. You still didn't deny that you believe you're a god.

And you don't read my answers to your questions. I told you I wrote it down black and white, that I haven't even implied or written anything down that said I believed myself a God. You obviously don't read my posts.
 

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I'm not going to call Jesus a liar, because Jesus said to Mary Magdalene after he was resurrected to tell his brothers that he ascends to his Father and their Father and to his God and their God atJohn 20:17. In this verse Jesus admits he has a Father and a God and this is after Jesus was resurrected.
None of which disproves that "The Word was God".
 

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And you don't read my answers to your questions. I told you I wrote it down black and white, that I haven't even implied or written anything down that said I believed myself a God. You obviously don't read my posts.
I don't think the 5th Amendment applies here.
 

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None of which disproves that "The Word was God".

Yeah actually it does. It proves that it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the Word that became human. So when the scriptures say it was the Only Begotten Son of God that God sent to the world of mankind to die for us, that's the truth.
 
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Yeah actually it does. It proves that it's the Only Begotten Son of God who is the Word that became human. So when the scriptures say it was the Only Begotten Son of God that God sent to the world of mankind to die for us, that's the truth.
Did you miss this? "The Word was God".
 

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Did you miss this? "The Word was God".

I didn't miss anything. You simply don't choose to look at the scriptures correctly. Jesus Christ who is The Only Begotten Son of God is the word who became human(flesh). The scriptures show that Jesus Christ has a Father and a God. Even trinitarians believe Jesus Christ to be the Word. The thing they got wrong is that the Word is the Only Begotten Son of God. He was the Only Begotten Son of God when he was in heaven with his Father and God before he became human, when he became human he was the Only Begotten Son of God and now that he has been raised from the dead a powerful spiritual being who has been given immortality and inherited incorruption he's still the Only Begotten Son of God.
 

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I didn't miss anything. You simply don't choose to look at the scriptures correctly. Jesus Christ who is The Only Begotten Son of God is the word who became human(flesh). The scriptures show that Jesus Christ has a Father and a God. Even trinitarians believe Jesus Christ to be the Word. The thing they got wrong is that the Word is the Only Begotten Son of God. He was the Only Begotten Son of God when he was in heaven with his Father and God before he became human, when he became human he was the Only Begotten Son of God and now that he has been raised from the dead a powerful spiritual being who has been given immortality and inherited incorruption he's still the Only Begotten Son of God.
You can't get by "The Word was God".

Jesus is God!
 

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So than is the bible God to. Apparently it is the Word of God too. So God seemingly is the father the son and a book.
the Word of God is God. not "too", as in some other person, no. the Word of God is "diversified" in flesh, not a separate person, no, but the same person "SHARED". listen up, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

A. "being ..... in the form of God is God, "Spirit". for BEING is a present tense word, JESUS is God.

B. "to be equal with God". question, "do God have an equal?", no, scripture, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." STOP right here, if the Lord Jesus is not the Spirit, then he is not God for the verse states, "or shall I be equal?", I is an indivual person. God didn't say who is equal to us. get it now? nthere is a doctrine that states all three person are "EQUAL", well here in Isaiah 40:25 it states that no one is "EQUAL" to "I", or him, a single person. well ther's the first problem in the equality of persons. so by saying "I" have no equal, that eliminates any second, or third person in the Godhead who suppose to be equals. do one see the silliness of any three persons?

people say I believe the bible,,, GOOD, but do you believ what the bible say?

God is only ONE PERSON, again, let's see if the HOLY ONE in Isaiah 40:25 is the Lord Jesus. Acts 3:14 "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;" who is the Holy One that they denied?.... that's right the Lord Jesus. see how the bible just confirm our Lord and God JESUS. it's all through out the bible, just put it together. so one might want to make a cross reference of Isaiah 40:25 and Acts 3:14.

the apostle Peter just told you who the Lord Jesus is.... "The Holy One", God almighty , shared "equally" in flesh.

PICJAG.