When you get time to quote the verses you are referring to let me know.
John 1 The Word was God.
Amen Jesus, You are God!
I'm not going to ignore John 5:1-18 which was the scriptures I was speaking about in the previous post so why are you saying, "When you get time to quote the verses you are referring to let me know." Do you not see in the previous post where I typed John 5:1-18?
Concerning John 1:1: At the end of his first letter to Christians the apostle John brings us to the understanding, namely, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that humans begotten of God are children of God with Jesus Christ.
An American Translation presents the end of John’s letter as follows: “We know that no child of God commits sin, but that he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him. We know that we are children of God, while the whole world is in the power of the evil one. And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us power to recognize him who is true; and we are in union with him who is true.” How? “Through his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Dear children, keep away from idols.” 1John 5:18-21, AT; RS
Since the One of whom Jesus Christ is the Son is “the true God and eternal life,” and since Jesus Christ is “he who was born of God” and who protects God’s other children, how are we to understand John 1:1, 2, of which there are differing translations? My examination of what John wrote about Jesus shows me that the Word is The Only Begotten Son of God and that he was made flesh.
The
Authorized Version or
Douay Version at John 1:1, 2 says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” Here a few lines deserve to be quoted from the book
The Four Gospels Harmonized and Translated, by Count Leo Tolstoy, as follows:
If it says that in the beginning was the
comprehension, or
word, and that the
word was to God, or
with God, or
for God, it is impossible to go on and say that
it was God. If it was God, it could stand in no relation to God.
Certainly the apostle John was not so unreasonable as to say that someone (“the Word”) was with some other individual (“God”) and at the same time was that other individual (“God”).
John proves that the Word who was with God “was made flesh” and became Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ was “the Son of God.” So it would be proper to say that the Word was the Son of God. For anyone to say that the Word was God, “the only true God,” would be contrary to what the apostle John proves by the rest of his writings. In the last book of the Bible, namely, in Revelations 19:13, John calls him “The Word of God,” saying: “And his name is called The Word of God.” (
AV;
Dy) Note that his name is not called “God the Word,” but is called “The Word of God,” or God’s Word. Hence John 1:1 must mean, at most, that the Word was of God.
The Four Gospels, by C. C. Torrey, shows the difference between
theós with
ho (the definite article) and
theós without
ho by printing his translation as follows: “And the Word was with God, and the Word was god.” (Second edition of 1947)
The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, of 1864, shows the difference by printing its translation as follows: “And the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God.”
Even translations printed in those ways indicate that the Word, in his prehuman existence in heaven with God, had a godly quality but was not God himself or a part of God. The Word was the Son of God. So the question arises, What would we call such a Son of God who first of all had this godly quality among the sons of God in heaven? We have to remember that Jesus Christ told the Jews that those human judges to whom or against whom God’s word came were called “gods” in Psalm 82:1-6; John 10:34-36.
So why is it so difficult for those who believe in the Trinity that the Word is the Son of God who The True God has made a god. The answer I believe is they lack faith that The True God has the authority to do such a thing. As long as trinitarians deny The Word to be The Only Begotten Son of God and that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that died for the world of mankind and it was The Only Begotten Son of God that The True God Jehovah resurrected three days after his death, they will remain in their sins. They will never have Gods Holy Spirit and be able to truly believe that The Word who is The Only Begotten Son of God is their Lord and King because they don't have faith in the truth that the scriptures speak of concerning The True God Jehovah or his Only Begotten Son, instead they believe in doctrines of men. In other words they don't keep away from idols as the scriptures tell them to do.
