What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?

[ThePuffyBlob]

God will make us like robots why?
because you can forget and can no longer remember the old earth

do not remember who became your parent on earth or who your brother by blood what you have done what you have done wrong

it looks like the genesis is just reset
that you are adam and there are many adam and many eve and no serpent and there is christ

right?

 

[michaelvpardo]

If this is what all Christian experience must be like, I'll never be saved. I was born again in 1972, I've been witness to many miracles, never once heard the voice of God audibly, and my prayers are answered, but many, many times the answer has been "no" or "wait." I have no recollection of a special, spontaneous baptism of the Holy Spirit whatsoever.

Hearing the voice of God audibly would be cause of concern for anyone, but that doesn't exclude Spirit speaking to spirit, nor invalidate the scripture: "Your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, “This is the way, walk in it,” Whenever you turn to the right hand Or whenever you turn to the left. " Isaiah 30:21
I'd be more concerned about not having any recollection of receiving the Spirit of Christ upon believing the gospel. It's not something that you ever forget (and at my age I've forgotten quite a bit).You have to believe in order to receive, but I received His Spirit while praying to do so with another born again believer. Perhaps it's necessary to ask for Him as Jesus Himself suggested: “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Matthew 7:13
Since we're told that the Spirit isn't given by measure, It would seem that Jesus was telling his disciples (and us) to ask the Father for His Spirit. We're also told (in some depth) that the Spirit wasn't given until the resurrection of the Lord, so it would seem that asking to receive Him is an essential aspect of the new birth. I know that many teachers say that you receive Him when you believe Him, but the Holy Spirit doesn't have to be in you to convict you of sin or convince you of truth. If there weren't an element of choice, there wouldn't be a possibility of blaspheming the Holy Spirit in rejecting His work (attributing it to imagination or as something unreal.)

 

[Yan]

Are you thinking before posting?

Are you proposing two creators? That somehow the serpent broke into Eden and put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in later? Or are you proposing that God's works were not completely finished on the sixth day?

The serpent was necessary. Jesus compared himself to the serpent on the pole which Moses made. He exercised dominion over it, something Adam and Eve did not do.

Have you read my prev post here :
have you preached to a jew?

I think Jesus was the replacement of gate keeper of the jail made by the old serpent Nehustan (2 Kings 18:4), He was crucified in the name of "tree of life and tree knowledge of good & evil", if He broke the curses than he also as a "bridge of salvation"; that's why He become curse to us (Galatians 3:13).

 

[n2thelight]

One MUST understand the first Heaven and earth age.

 

[Giuliano]

Have you read my prev post here :
have you preached to a jew?

I think Jesus was the replacement of gate keeper of the jail made by the old serpent Nehustan (2 Kings 18:4), He was crucified in the name of "tree of life and tree knowledge of good & evil", if He broke the curses than he also as a "bridge of salvation"; that's why He become curse to us (Galatians 3:13).

Sorry but little of that sinks in.

 

[BarneyFife]

Have it however you want it; but when I ask a question, I appreciate a straightforward answer, not a dodging response. You are definitely a dodger who sometimes posts without thinking very much. First, when I asked the question, you said that "God cannot lie" "meant" that He would do what He said He would do as if the meaning of the statement referred to future events only. When pressed on it, you said it "meant" God also did not lie about the past or present. That means your first statement was not well thought out. Don't blame me for that. You can always reflect more before posting.

Thank you for participating.

 

[n2thelight]

But 2 answer the question,we shall take part in the tree

Revelation 22:2 "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river was there the tree of life, which bare twelve omanner of fruit; and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

"In" in the Greek text, "en" governs only the case (the dative) and denotes being and remaining within to give rest on a continuance. It has regards to a place and space as in Matthew 10:16, and a sphere of action in Romans 1:5, 8. It also denotes a continuance in time as in Matthew 2:1 and John 11:10.

The "tree of life" is our Lord Jesus Christ, who we read about in Genesis 2:9. Well, how can that be? Remember in Revelation 21:6, he said, "... I am [always was] Alpha and Omega... ". Jesus existed prior to becoming a baby in the manger in Bethlehem. However, this "tree of life" is a certain tree, providing not only fruit for enjoyment, but its leaves give a divine provision for preserving and restoring health, specifically for the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."

As we saw in Revelation 21:4, all former things are passed away, and there will be no sickness or sorrow.

Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:"

Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

There will no longer be any cursed thing, for all cursed things and peoples' souls which were against God are ashes. Even their memory is gone. The only thing on the minds of God's children will be to love and serve God, and praise Our Lord Jesus Christ. Both will be in person, living and talking with the saints.

Whatever questions you will have about the trinity, eternity, or any other subject will be clear at this time, for there will be no confusion.

In verse 4, we see the same marking you have in your forehead will be here following the Millennium age and the great white throne judgment. This marking will not allow you to worship Antichrist, for Satan will not have any part in the eternal age. That marking in your forehead is in your mind. You know Jesus Christ comes at the seventh trump, following Satan's reign on earth, and that no flesh can stand in Christ's kingdom. God has given us His truths in His word (Bible), and all of God's children will know Him. It's sealed in their memory.

 

[BarneyFife]

Are you thinking before posting?

Not much. Your questions are pretty simple.

Are you proposing two creators?

No

That somehow the serpent broke into Eden and put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in later?

No

Or are you proposing that God's works were not completely finished on the sixth day?

And thus Giuliano finished all his list of options, so there couldn't possibly be any other viable ones.

The serpent was necessary.

Says who?

Jesus compared himself to the serpent on the pole which Moses made.

What does that have to do with anything?

He exercised dominion over it, something Adam and Eve did not do.

We don't know how much time passed between the end of the earth's creation and the events you are obsessed with, so we don't know how long Adam may or may not have kept his charge to have dominion.

Have it however you want it; but when I ask a question, I appreciate a straightforward answer, not a dodging response.

I have had the "cannot lie" thing figured out for years. Try to keep up.

You are definitely a dodger who sometimes posts without thinking very much.

Tell me exactly how much thinking is required for a post, so I'll know the standard.

First, when I asked the question, you said that "God cannot lie" "meant" that He would do what He said He would do as if the meaning of the statement referred to future events only.

No, I said that whatever He said would come to pass. You ASSUMED that I meant future only, and that God operates within the confines of His own constructs and parameters. Maybe it's you who's not doing enough thinking before he posts.

When pressed on it, you said it "meant" God also did not lie about the past or present.

I felt no pressure. And I answered as quickly (a matter of record, btw) and as honestly as I knew how.

That means your first statement was not well thought out.

No, it just means you jumped to conclusions about what I meant. Things do seem to mean whatever you want them to mean.

Don't blame me for that. You can always reflect more before posting.

It's not necessary or required by any standard except that which exists in your imagination.

Here's how the "cannot lie" thing works. When God speaks, His words go out on a mission, and they don't return to Him until they accomplish that mission.

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. (Isaiah 55:11)

So, say the bill collector comes knocking at the door of Jesus's childhood home. Mary says "Jesus, answer the door and tell them Joseph your father is not at home." So if Jesus does what she says, will He have told a lie? No, because if He did so, then Joseph would just disappear from the house right before the words came out of His mouth. Because the word of God has creative power in it. He Who held the sun still by Joshua can do anything He pleases with time, space, matter, take your pick. This is a crude example to be sure, but you're just trying to make sport of me and keep an argument going, anyway, so it's the best I can do for you right now.

 

[BarneyFife]

It looks to me as if some people may be assuming Adam and Eve were in Heaven.

Where did this come from?

 

[justbyfaith]

The eyes and the ears and the tongue are the ones most out of control:

Not the ears and eyes and tongue of Christ; for He is without sin.

I didn't divorce him, he divorced me without cause. The divorce isn't valid in the eyes of God. Besides, he isn't dead. He is living in perpetual adultery and so is his mistress.

39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Abandonment is a plausible reason why the believing spouse can remarry.

He is not an unbeliever, that's the point. He even takes his wife to church.

Do you believe that he will inherit the kingdom of God when he committed adultery on you? See 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. He is not a believer; for he is not bound for heaven unless he repents of committing adultery on you..

 

[justbyfaith]

When is the last time you attended or even visited an assembly with no man made rules in place? The only Leader was always the Holy Spirit?

I attended a church in South Carolina that had it down to a science, as pertaining to letting the Holy Spirit take control of the service. One of the primary worship songs, sung every service, had the repetitive words, "Come and take control," as the young people danced in the Spirit; and then there was often a platform for anyone to speak; and it was always led of the Holy Spirit.

While it may have been an occurrence, it never did occur that a person became embarrassed over having said the wrong thing and then be corrected by another who knew the word better. I believe that the possibility of such an occurrence inhibited people from speaking who didn't know their Bibles well enough. But that all worked out for the good; because it provided for perfect freedom to those who did know their Bibles well enough to speak with authority as the Spirit led the service.

I believe that the Lord Himself kept things in order so that false doctrine was not preached because of an atmosphere of liberty, in this fashion.

 

[Giuliano]

Me: Or are you proposing that God's works were not completely finished on the sixth day?
You: And thus Giuliano finished all his list of options, so there couldn't possibly be any other viable ones.

See how you dodge? I think it's time to call it quits in this thread.

 

[BarneyFife]

Me: Or are you proposing that God's works were not completely finished on the sixth day?
You: And thus Giuliano finished all his list of options, so there couldn't possibly be any other viable ones.

See how you dodge? I think it's time to call it quits in this thread.

We'll miss you.

 

[Brakelite]

While being at least slightly arguable, I find this very insightful. It underscores the necessity of humility.

Take heed that you don't covet the higher seats etc.

 

[Brakelite]

Don't apologize too much about it. Unfortunately sometimes we learn things we later may wish that we had not... but the experiences may be needed later... even some of the worst experiences...

PHD's used to shake me up because never having been even on the approach to one, I presumed they really had something special that was way beyond me. Sometimes they might be, but don't count on it.

I attended college and received my BA in 1971, ten years after graduating from high school. I wasn't serving God then and intended to continue to higher degrees. I never made it for reasons not directly involved here. [As it turned out God had something else in mind, but never mind that.]

When I really met Jesus in 1976 and started reading the Bible for the first time in at my life at age 32 as I moved along toward God I found it necessary to unlearn some things I had learned in college. I don't regret my schooling, just some parts of it.

The problem with PHD's in theology is often they got their degrees in the school of some particular denomination and learned well the particular slant of that group and cannot hear anything else... sometimes perhaps including God. They may have understood and now even understand a lot of 'good' things. For people new to God they may be OK to a point so long as they don't insist on trying to pull them inside and then locking the gate. Of course we would not want a new convert, a young proselyte, to encounter something like this:

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Matt 23:15

Schools should be good places to learn how to learn. Lots of them, it seems to me, are not doing such a good job. Once you know how to proceed, the school, besides being expensive these days, may simply get in your way.

Regarding education these are my opinions and likely some on this forum will disagree...

I'm now 68 and am at present participating in my first ever formal Bible course. I enrolled because a. It's lockdown and b. There's always something new to discover about God and c. There's always deeper things to understand about why we believe what we do. And finally d. I wanted to be able to explain what I believe is truth biblically speaking in a more simple clearer way.
And guess what. Its such fun.

 

[mjrhealth]

There's always something new to discover about God and c.

Even more so, when one is willing to give up ones religion and all they think the know and Go to Christ an learn from Him, but so few are willing and love their religions more than Him

 

[Brakelite]

In the nature of the new man, or the old man?

Much love!

Before one is converted, he/she chooses to sin for it's his natural inclination. Being inclined in that direction however doesn't mean that choice is inevitable. Unbelievers choose not to commit crime, steal, covet etc every day.
The difference for the Christian though is that the old man is dead. He's a new creature. That new creature has power. That power as described in Ephesians is the very same power that created the world... That raised Jesus from the dead... It is the Divine nature that we may partake of...a union of the human and Divine just as Jesus was. That power... The union... Can overcome. We can choose to do right every time we are tempted. And God even promises that we will never be tempted above and beyond what we are fully capable of withstanding if we use Him as our refuge and strength. This power to overcome isn't ours.. We take a hold of it by faith. Such is grace.

 

[Brakelite]

Even more so, when one is willing to give up ones religion and all they think the know and Go to Christ an learn from Him, but so few are willing and love their religions more than Him

Okay.

 

[Waiting on him]

But 2 answer the question,we shall take part in the tree

Revelation 22:2 "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river was there the tree of life, which bare twelve omanner of fruit; and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

"In" in the Greek text, "en" governs only the case (the dative) and denotes being and remaining within to give rest on a continuance. It has regards to a place and space as in Matthew 10:16, and a sphere of action in Romans 1:5, 8. It also denotes a continuance in time as in Matthew 2:1 and John 11:10.

The "tree of life" is our Lord Jesus Christ, who we read about in Genesis 2:9. Well, how can that be? Remember in Revelation 21:6, he said, "... I am [always was] Alpha and Omega... ". Jesus existed prior to becoming a baby in the manger in Bethlehem. However, this "tree of life" is a certain tree, providing not only fruit for enjoyment, but its leaves give a divine provision for preserving and restoring health, specifically for the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine."

As we saw in Revelation 21:4, all former things are passed away, and there will be no sickness or sorrow.

Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:"

Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

There will no longer be any cursed thing, for all cursed things and peoples' souls which were against God are ashes. Even their memory is gone. The only thing on the minds of God's children will be to love and serve God, and praise Our Lord Jesus Christ. Both will be in person, living and talking with the saints.

Whatever questions you will have about the trinity, eternity, or any other subject will be clear at this time, for there will be no confusion.

In verse 4, we see the same marking you have in your forehead will be here following the Millennium age and the great white throne judgment. This marking will not allow you to worship Antichrist, for Satan will not have any part in the eternal age. That marking in your forehead is in your mind. You know Jesus Christ comes at the seventh trump, following Satan's reign on earth, and that no flesh can stand in Christ's kingdom. God has given us His truths in His word (Bible), and all of God's children will know Him. It's sealed in their memory.

John 7:37-38 KJV
[37] In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. [38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

 

[Taken]

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?
OP ^

Same WAY "some men" do NOT sin while still on Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken