Melbourne has fallen

[Josho]

I think thats a fair indication you don't know what is happening under Victorias "state of emergency"... ok... Look

I am guessing you are a construction worker, they are allowed to work at 25% I believe and 5 people are allowed on smaller projects like building houses.

 

[marksman]

The problems is that people, including politicians do not know what the role of a politician is.

A politician should be able to analyse what is happening and then tell the people what the root cause of the issue is and how that is causing the lose of our liberties. However because many politicians have their snout in the feed trough, and rely on people to endorse them on a regular basis, they have lost the "balls" to tell the people that they represent the truth of the matters often and to actually lay the blame where it should lie.

The problem is that people want to be able to do what they want without accepting the consequences of their actions and then attribute the problem to a minority, like politicians, and put all of the responsibility for their bad decisions onto that minority.

People as a rule like to play games where they are "winning" all of the time, and beating the government is one of those games. Paying taxes is part of one of those games where people will try every trick in the book to minimise their contribution to provide services that will be of benefit to them.

The question that many people avoid is who is responsible for their own personal governance? It certainly is not the Government of the day as the allegiances of the people change with the whim of the people depending on who has the leadership role over the people.

Who is responsible for maintaining Law and Order within our society? The police certainly cannot because the people they are entrusted to help maintain Law and Order with do not want the police to record and report their respective abuses of Law and Order. Take Road Law enforcement as an example, the only time people comply with the Road Laws is when they think that there are policemen around to notice their abuses of the Road Laws in play in that particular situation. Road rage is one of the examples that demonstrates this where people do not believe that the rules of the road actually applies to them and that everybody else should get out of their way so that they are not impeded in their intention to get from point "A" to "B" as quickly as possible. People being selfish on the road and show no generosity towards other road users is the norm more and more today. People believe that they are the most important people and that everybody else should curtail to their wishes otherwise they will suffer the wrath of them which is exhibited as road rage by them.

If more people were generous towards others, instead of being selfish, then there would be a big difference in the attitude of the population, but a change of attitude from selfishness to generosity is read as a loss by many people because they can only win in this world if they are selfish towards everybody else.

I wonder what would happen if the "salt of the earth" had not lost their saltiness and become irrelevant for the rest of the world to follow.

Would things be very different?

Shalom

I have a degree in politics and have been involved in the heart of it for 40 years, and what I have found is that there is only one thing that politicians are interested in and that is winning the next election. No Party or politician likes being a member of the opposition, so whatever decision they make at the back of it is will it help me win the next election.

The same happens when they are in government. Will the decision help me and the Party retain the government. That is why you have so many handouts at election time. What they are doing is buying your vote and we are stupid enough to fall for it.

Very few people or politicians make a decision based on what is good for the country. That is why homosexuality has made such headway. It is no good for the country but they get support because people and politicians have been duped into thinking that they are hard done by so we have to go over the top to appease them. Only a handful of politicians like Bernie Finn in Victoria will oppose the homosexual agenda. The only reason he is still there is that he is so popular in his electorate. And I am glad to say that my federal member voted against same-sex marriage.

Desperate Dan the dictator man in Victoria gave homosexuals $15 million to build a pride(sic) centre. I asked him for $15 million to build a Christian Pride Centre and he didn't even give me a reply. Desperate Dan claims to be a catholic but they don't think much of him because they refuse to serve him communion.

At the last Federal Election, the Labor Party was going to do serious damage to the coal industry resulting in thousands of miners losing their jobs. Despite this, rusted on Laborites voted for the party even though members of the union were going to be worse off under them. Closing the mines was not good for the country and jobs, yet people still voted for the Party.

I know for a fact that to get preselected to stand for Parliament, particularly if you are married, you have two wives. The one you are married to and the Party. If you win your seat at the election, thy don't forget to remind you who supported you in your win.

I remember Don Chip who at the time was a Liberal and their chief Whip. At the start of each parliament, he would gather the new MPs for a talk. He said to them, "You are here today because you want to make a difference to society so let me advise you to forget it. You will do as your told."

 

[Jay Ross]

I have a degree in politics and have been involved in the heart of it for 40 years, and what I have found is that there is only one thing that politicians are interested in and that is winning the next election. No Party or politician likes being a member of the opposition, so whatever decision they make at the back of it is will it help me win the next election.

The same happens when they are in government. Will the decision help me and the Party retain the government. That is why you have so many handouts at election time. What they are doing is buying your vote and we are stupid enough to fall for it.

Very few people or politicians make a decision based on what is good for the country. That is why homosexuality has made such headway. It is no good for the country but they get support because people and politicians have been duped into thinking that they are hard done by so we have to go over the top to appease them. Only a handful of politicians like Bernie Finn in Victoria will oppose the homosexual agenda. The only reason he is still there is that he is so popular in his electorate. And I am glad to say that my federal member voted against same-sex marriage.

Desperate Dan the dictator man in Victoria gave homosexuals $15 million to build a pride(sic) centre. I asked him for $15 million to build a Christian Pride Centre and he didn't even give me a reply. Desperate Dan claims to be a catholic but they don't think much of him because they refuse to serve him communion.

At the last Federal Election, the Labor Party was going to do serious damage to the coal industry resulting in thousands of miners losing their jobs. Despite this, rusted on Laborites voted for the party even though members of the union were going to be worse off under them. Closing the mines was not good for the country and jobs, yet people still voted for the Party.

I know for a fact that to get preselected to stand for Parliament, particularly if you are married, you have two wives. The one you are married to and the Party. If you win your seat at the election, thy don't forget to remind you who supported you in your win.

I remember Don Chip who at the time was a Liberal and their chief Whip. At the start of each parliament, he would gather the new MPs for a talk. He said to them, "You are here today because you want to make a difference to society so let me advise you to forget it. You will do as your told."

You have, in essences, given the same understanding that I posted in post #4 above. What do you see is the role of a politician in a perfect society?

 

[Cristo Rei]

@Backlit @Josho @historyb @Giuliano @Reggie Belafonte @Enoch111

Exhibit 1
In a state of emergency (SoE) the authorities can do whatever is necessary in the name of covid.
The premier gains the power to pass new laws, unopposed by the opposition.
The premier can call up to 1 month of SoE at a time for a period no longer than 6 months
The deceptive mainstream didn't explain any of this to the public. Everyone thinks we're running under a normal democracy still

On March 13 Victoria became the only state to adopt a SoE. While every other state was passing their new covid laws through the senate like a democracy does, Daniel Andrews was passing his own laws, unopposed. That resulted in the most authoritarian lockdowns in Australia...

The biggest deception was changing the goal posts. The lockdowns didn't effect our hospitals at all. But they kept the screws down and hardly no one questioned it. Ever since we've had invisible goal posts. Dan never told us what their strategy is and he never gave us any metrics

After the wave the nation started to ease restriction but not the dictator. He kept the screws down the hardest...
two, three, four times Daniel Andrews extended his SoE, after the first wave and two months of flat... The opposition leader was up in arms, he wants to oppose it, he want parliament to commence, he wants democracy. But not Dan, he loves being a dictator, calling the shots with no conservatives to deal with

Second wave starts in Victoria all due to Dans incompetence in hotel quarantine and contract tracing which i will cover later. Extends his SoE in July. Then on August 2 Daniel Andrews declares a "state of destruction" now he has the power to not only pass new laws but change existing legislation... On August 15 Dan extends his SoE for the 6th time. His 6 month reign as dictator general is due to end September 13 along with the stage 4 lockdowns...

But Dan is working with the solicitor general to enact his new found powers and change the legislation to allow him to continue calling SoE beyond 6 months...

Now... Without any goal posts still, no one knows anything. As long as there is one case in this state, Dan will be able to hold onto his socialist position of power...

Vic Premier moves to extend state of emergency capabilities indefinitely | Sky News Australia
COVID-19 state of emergency extended another month - Surf Coast Times
Opposition leader calls for Daniel Andrews to 'step down'
Liberal Nationals call for return of Parliament to explain coronavirus second wave failures - Michael O'Brien MP

Hehehe next post im going to list our lockdown restrictions... The video in here is like a teaser trailer...
Category: <span> </span> | Herald Sun

Victorians think we are operating as normal, a democracy, all the other Australian states...
While in fact Victoria has been under tyranny for almost 6 months... ????
And the thing is that most Victorians either don't know this and/or are excusing it.
Did u Victorians here Know this? Even the Aussies, did u guys know?

Are there any states in the USA like this? I wouldn't know... I know there is no federal SoE

 

[marksman]

You have, in essences, given the same understanding that I posted in post #4 above. What do you see is the role of a politician in a perfect society?

To make people their priority and to build a cohesive society that is better for the greater good not the marginal few. A cohesive society is better able to help the marginal few.

 

[marksman]

Dictator Dan is a boy trying to do a man's job.

 

[Josho]

Josho gave a warning to people not to make this personal.

So what if I am a Queenslander, that does not mean that I cannot understand what is happening in Victoria. In fact, I am probably in a better place to see what is going on in Victoria than the people who are living there because they are too close to what is happening.

Post #9 was more about the exchanges between Giuliano and Cristo Rei, but it applies to you too.

You can nothing to give thanks for? You may drive yourself to suicide if you keep looking at the things you don't like and aren't happy for the things you like.

This wasn't really a appropriate thing to say.

Unless you come to the poor side of town your criticisms are nothing but ignorant and selfish.

Part of this post wasn't really appropriate either.

Either way can both sides of this debate please show respect to each other, people have lost lives to covid and people have lost lives to suicide, I hope you don't mind me bringing this up @Cristo Rei, but if you guys don't know yet, Cristo Rei lost a reletive to suicide.

 

[Brakelite]

To give everyone a right perspective to what kind of nonsense is going on, there's this story....
A farmer with crops and sheep in NSW lives in Victoria. His stock needs food. He's bought 40 Ton of hay but isn't allowed to truck it over the border. He has to fly, yes FLY, 40 TONS of hay from Melbourne to Sydney. He then has to quarantine for 14 days before delivering it to his farm.

This kind of bueraucratic stupidity... All based on a virus which is not egregiously more dangerous than the seasonal flu, is what is destroying people.

 

[Brakelite]

‘We Have A Lot of Evidence That It’s a Fake Story All Over the World’ – German Doctors on Covid-19 - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

The questions raised in the above article need cogent well reasoned logical answers. We will not get them from a politician.

 

[Josho]

This kind of bueraucratic stupidity... All based on a virus which is not egregiously more dangerous than the seasonal flu, is what is destroying people.

It is though, it can have long term effects on vital organs and other parts of the body, after a person has recovered from covid-19. Have you not heard from some of the people who recovered from Covid-19?

 

[Jay Ross]

Dictator Dan is a boy trying to do a man's job.

I am not that interested in Dictator Dan as every government has to have a strongman/woman leading the governing party. QLD has a Labour party in power at the moment, "Political Expediency" is not considered to be corruption, but the reality is that it is. The reality is that it is just another name to hide the corrupt practices of political parties.

However, if we only focus on the "bad boys/girls" in power then we are not looking at the possibilities that would change the governance of a country. It requires a cultural change in our thinking as to the actual roles of a governing body, given that much of the work is carried out by the backroom hacks in the public service of the respective states and Federal spheres. The political parties set the policies that the public servants should follow and we often have the public servants telling the politician what needs to be done. Unfortunately the pollical parties give the appearance that it is the party political machine that is actually running the respective Jurisdictions that the parties have won the right to govern over.

What should be addressed in this thread is how can we collective change everyone's' understanding of how a democratically elected party should govern and what their actual role should be. What is the purpose of having elected politicians if they cannot fulfil the expected role that we have elected them to.

What is the purpose of a governmental body over the population of that jurisdictions.

Is their role to lead the people in the direction that all of the people should go or is their role to be like a sail boat that only goes in the direction that the wind is going in.

I would suggest that few if anybody really knows what the true role of a politician is, in this country. Being a bully seems to be the main criteria for success for a political figure these days.

Perhaps we need to get more theoretical in our discussion in this thread without taking anything that has been posted as a personally slight against them.

The question that has to be resolved first is: -

Who is responsible for my governance?

Shalom

PS: - I am not that interested in a mud slinging thread where the outcome is gained by the level and direction of the mud slinging.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

You can nothing to give thanks for? You may drive yourself to suicide if you keep looking at the things you don't like and aren't happy for the things you like.

What?

 

[marksman]

I am not that interested in Dictator Dan as every government has to have a strongman/woman leading the governing party. QLD has a Labour party in power at the moment, "Political Expediency" is not considered to be corruption, but the reality is that it is. The reality is that it is just another name to hide the corrupt practices of political parties.

However, if we only focus on the "bad boys/girls" in power then we are not looking at the possibilities that would change the governance of a country. It requires a cultural change in our thinking as to the actual roles of a governing body, given that much of the work is carried out by the backroom hacks in the public service of the respective states and Federal spheres. The political parties set the policies that the public servants should follow and we often have the public servants telling the politician what needs to be done. Unfortunately the pollical parties give the appearance that it is the party political machine that is actually running the respective Jurisdictions that the parties have won the right to govern over.

What should be addressed in this thread is how can we collective change everyone's' understanding of how a democratically elected party should govern and what their actual role should be. What is the purpose of having elected politicians if they cannot fulfil the expected role that we have elected them to.

What is the purpose of a governmental body over the population of that jurisdictions.

Is their role to lead the people in the direction that all of the people should go or is their role to be like a sail boat that only goes in the direction that the wind is going in.

I would suggest that few if anybody really knows what the true role of a politician is, in this country. Being a bully seems to be the main criteria for success for a political figure these days.

Perhaps we need to get more theoretical in our discussion in this thread without taking anything that has been posted as a personally slight against them.

The question that has to be resolved first is: -

Who is responsible for my governance?

Shalom

PS: - I am not that interested in a mud slinging thread where the outcome is gained by the level and direction of the mud slinging.

Sad to say that the left has orchestrated a divided nation full of special interest groups that all want the ascendancy in society. The day was when almost everyone obeyed their parents; the law of the land; the government of the day; the Police; the school they went to; and the boss at work. It would not enter our heads to organize a protest because something happened that we did not like.

Today it seems that no one wants to obey anyone and if something happens we don't like we just get out on the streets to protest with a message that whatever it was you wanted to do, it ain't going to happen because I don't like it. Instead of a cohesive society, we have created a broken one where the individual is king and the rest of you can take a hike.

Because this attitude is well entrenched it is going to be difficult to change things for the better. My view is that the people that can do something about it don't seem particularly interested in getting involved. I refer to of course the church. I have read so many books about churches in various places that refuse to accept the status quo, got involved, and prayed the problem away. If THE church where you live and I refer to all the churches in your area were able to take prayer seriously, Satan would have a heart attack. If God could save Sodom if there were 10 righteous people living there, how much more could he do if every church in a town united for prayer?

When all is a said and done we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, we wrestle against principalities and power and wickedness in heavenly places and the only thing that I know of that will give us the victory in that sort of situation is prayer.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Post #9 was more about the exchanges between Giuliano and Cristo Rei, but it applies to you too.



This wasn't really a appropriate thing to say.



Part of this post wasn't really appropriate either.

Either way can both sides of this debate please show respect to each other, people have lost lives to covid and people have lost lives to suicide, I hope you don't mind me bringing this up @Cristo Rei, but if you guys don't know yet, Cristo Rei lost a reletive to suicide.

Bt it wasn't what Guil said that ticked me off. I actually think he was sincere about his concern...
What gets under my nerves is this accusation that you are somehow selfish if you don't conform...
Its the people who are well off that say this crap, barely affected by any restrictions...
Thats why i say unless u go to the west or even south east around Dandy is a ghetto as well...
And communicate with the locals, your just not in a position to cast such judgements...
Like remember Dan said that you were basically a murderer if u play golf... No way... Not buying it

 

[Cristo Rei]

@Josho Did u know Dan has been using dictatorial powers in the last 6 months? The only state in Oz?

The DLP, right? When u first said that i thought u were getting confused with American politics but its the Democratic Labour Party... U know how laws are made, u understand the democratic system.

I bet 7 months ago u would not have accepted 6 months of tyranny. You wouldn't have accepted this one state going against every other state to bypass the democratic system and pass in new laws unopposed...

This is a battle of dissonance for u...U like Dan... How firmly do u believe in Democracy.
Do you condemn Dan for abusing such powers unnecessarily and stand by your belief. Or does your belief change now (the easy way out) by excusing it or ignoring it?

Im actually quite interested in your response here cos i think it will say a lot...
No pressure but man...... No;) rush...

 

[Taken]

I hereby declare Melbourne to be the first city in the western world to collapse under the foot of communism... It has died and is never returning...

Beware, Satan's minions are everywhere and they're trying to take your town...

They are Wealthy, Powerful, Influencial and are after the Whole World.

THE GREAT RESET: Davos & the Plot to Cancel Trump
You tube video

 

[Cristo Rei]

Tomorrow im going to list dictatorial restrictions that are imposed on us right now. It is clear what happens when there is only one party...

So i need to just step back and just have a laugh about it too...

Kim Jong Dan

Note how when the left are given the choice, they choose to
remove the conservative opposition rather than democracy...

Chairman Dan. Chooses Dictatorship over democracy

Effectively, virtually and literally a communist state

The great Andrews purges mirror that of Stalins in many ways.
First to get purged are the unabled, the sick, elderly and poor

 

[Cristo Rei]

Imagine Donald Trump was in this position... Imagine Donald Trump had been passing in bills unopposed... Extending his powers another month every month... It would be the biggest scandal in the world. And so it should be...
This moment will be seen as the biggest scandal in Victorias history... The only state...
And our PM who is supposed to be conservative sit by idle... Not impressed
The media don't report these facts. Instead they've cheered on Dan all the way. Only recently have left wing media sources finally began to ask questions... As no questions are being asked in parliament after Dan dissolved it

I am going to pubish a timeline of the decisions and laws that were passed through unopposed and see how having a one party dictator ship is bound for disaster...

Under this regime, in its former democratic self, i was sentence to prison. But i didn't commit any crime. I was sent to prison for traffic offenses. Yes i broke the law, but its not a crime...
Therefore I would use that same heavy hand but use a different heavier book, Gods book, to prosecute Dan for several lives...
Last 6 months has been a saga... It can't all be posted at one... That was my first presentation to expose the fact that Dan is using dictatorial powers that are unprecedented and unused in other states... My second one tomorrow will be a list of our restriction. Then il get into the hotel quarantine saga, the contact tracing scandal, the inquiry, the secrets, the lies...

Oh boy... Power, control.

 

[Giuliano]

Post #9 was more about the exchanges between Giuliano and Cristo Rei, but it applies to you too.



This wasn't really a appropriate thing to say.



Part of this post wasn't really appropriate either.

Either way can both sides of this debate please show respect to each other, people have lost lives to covid and people have lost lives to suicide, I hope you don't mind me bringing this up @Cristo Rei, but if you guys don't know yet, Cristo Rei lost a reletive to suicide.

What?

Let me try to explain what I mean. I was worried about Cristo Rey. I don't want him to get so depressed he thinks about suicide. That's a tragedy -- let's not repeat it.

The world has good and evil in it. Even in the worst of situations, you will find glimmers of hope and humanity somewhere; and in the best of situations, you'll find problems lurking tucked away since nothing in this world is perfect. We are apt to get depressed if all we see and think about are the bad things. On the other hand, people who refuse to see evil lurking are apt to take unwise risks and wind up in calamities.

Think about Israel in the wilderness. Okay, so they were living in tents. They had their problems, to be sure. But they also had things to be grateful for which they didn't see. They caused themselves a big problem, a lot bigger than living in tents and having to eat manna every day.

And in the end, it isn't what good we receive from others that counts, since people can be rich and still miserable. It's the good we do others. Remember Zacchaeus? He was miserable because he was short and people probably made fun of him; so he tried to get even by taking advantage of them financially. It didn't make him happy. What made him happy was when Jesus asked a favor from him! Imagine that, asking a stingy man to give you dinner -- but Jesus did it -- and Zacchaeus found it made him happy. Then he started giving stuff away!

In the end, obeying the Golden Rule is what makes us happy. At first glance, you might think it's about being non-selfish and perhaps about making yourself miserable -- but it makes person who obeys it happy.

Cristo Rei has probably heard the prayer of St. Francis. I love this prayer.

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace
Where there is hatred, let me sow love
Where there is injury, pardon
Where there is doubt, faith
Where there is despair, hope
Where there is darkness, light
And where there is sadness, joy
O Divine Master, grant that I may
Not so much seek to be consoled as to console
To be understood, as to understand
To be loved, as to love
For it is in giving that we receive
And it's in pardoning that we are pardoned
And it's in dying that we are born to Eternal Life
Amen

We can't control what other people do. Relax, give up trying that. We can control what we do. Let's do that. I am convinced St. Francis' prayer has a key to happiness in it. So what if the world falls apart around us? Do we need to come apart just because it does? Why give the world that much power over you?

Psalm 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

 

[Cristo Rei]

So if there is even one case in the state Dan can just extend his state of emergency powers

And lock down his subjects

He has banned church and replaced with his own dominion

He can keep everyone subjugated and held down

And give unprecedented authority to the authorities... U know.... Authoritarian

He can introduce or change any legislation now, at will