It is easy indeed! John 1 The Word was God, and always was God. Jesus wasn't "MADE God". He always was God.
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Jesus was in Heaven and on Earth at the same time.
John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Seminarians?
Personally I find that to study exclusively from the KJV is better than others if you must use only one version, just the same, I've found it to be limiting in what we can learn due to some of the translations.
One which I find particularly noteworthy is in Romans 6, The one who has died is free from sin, that's a great statement, except in the original it says, the one who has died has been justified away from sin. There is a great deal more being said here than merely our liberty.
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It kind off makes you wonder why God did not make the original writings in Old English! Why Oh' Why must the King James be so right, and God so wrong?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus WHICH ALWAYS WAS GOD?
Right, Jesus was even presently seen in heaven in Psalm 22...
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Knew as in communicated with him....
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee....
Amazing!
Just stick to the KJV.
The fellers that love to create modern translations think they understand ancient Greek better than ancient men did, but they just get hand me down redefinitions in their classrooms.
These seminary teachers are even bent on debunking parts of the Bible.
They are the CNN of Christianity.
Rather, God arranged for the end times Church to have an English translation(KJV) to preserve His word and create a plumbline for all translations, since ancient Greek had died off.
I have 38 English Bible translations. I compare them regularly. I have no doubt whatsoever that Jesus is God and Hell is eternal.
Exactly! Saying that a man can be "MADE" our INFINITE God of the Bible is insane!
"From" and "since" is derived from the Greek "apo"... According to Greek lexicons (Perschbacher, Moulton, Bauer, Liddell and Scott), the word "from" in both of these passages which is the Greek word "apo," does not carry the idea of "at" or “before.” Perschbacher states in agreement with the others, “apo, prep., forth, from; hence, it variously signifies departure; distance of time or place, avoidance; riddance; derivation from a quarter, source, or material…” Bauer states, 2. of time from--(on), since…” Liddell and Scott has "later of Time, from, after, since." Notice that “at” or “before” are not even listed. The sense of "apo" is "away from," never "before."
You cannot just dismiss the observation by simply saying "close enough" since words mean things. The Greek is emphatic and clear, and even in English, "close enough" does not fly for lexical fact.
Ancient Greek had not "died off." The English translation was simply for the benefit of English speaking people, not any imaginary "plumbline" of God to replace what he inspired to be written in Greek in the First Century.
historyb
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We understand Greek far better than when the translators of the King James Bible lived. It was not until the 1890's that they discovered the key to the Greek tenses.
Showing what did not exist in Scripture for the first 500 years of Christianity is in no way "debunking parts of the Bible." The King James Only crowd are the MSNBC of propagandists.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Do you believe that Jesus took that sacrifice back after he sacrificed his human life? Didn't Jesus willingly come to the world of mankind to sacrifice his human life for humanity? I don't think that Jesus took that human life back that he came to willingly sacrifice for the world of mankind, so when he was resurrected from the dead he was resurrected not a man but instead a powerful spiritual being who was given immortality and inherited incorruption. The point is that when Jesus says he has a Father and God at John 20:17 he wasn't a man, so I don't agree with your statement that the reason Jesus called his Father his God was that he was a man.
Exactly. That is why the man is God by default.
He represents God because all of God is inside his spirit body.
This is why the baby/son of Isaiah is EVENTUALLY called the Everlasting Father/Mighty God.
You need to try to comprehend how the Father, fathers us THROUGH the son per Col 2:9.
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