Nope. I'm against worshipping Allah, but I don't ask government to prevent it.
I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage
- Thread starter K9Buck
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Nope. I'm against worshipping Allah, but I don't ask government to prevent it.
Do you want to use government to force non-believers to abstain from pre-marital sex, getting drunk, getting fat, engaging in homosexuality, worshiping Allah, etc.? I don't. What is the biblical basis for Christians to establish a totalitarian theocracy on the entire world?
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
Not sure if you saw my post before (maybe you responded and I just missed it), but I think the crux of the argument here is this:
You are apparently making the argument that government cannot change men's hearts, so morality should not be mandated, and Christians should not attempt to adopt a "totalitarian theocracy." But my question was, do you not see a good purpose for stemming the tide of moral decay through law, before society turns into a "democratic" cesspool of immorality and even depravity, by public consent?
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Not true since a real high percentage of homosexuals were victims of sexual abuse as children. Maybe you should do your homework on the subject.
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
horrible but its the truth in most every case of a homosexual as a child being abused sexually which is the CAUSE for the their sexual identity.
Case and point with the catholic priests and child abuse who end up becoming priests who are also homosexuals/pedophiles. This is just one example of many.
Last edited:
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Government is terrible at just about everything. I don't want government to try and "change hearts". I oppose my tax dollars being used to fund another's mortgage and/or college education. I believe the federal Department of Education should be eliminated. There is MASSIVE waste, incompetence and outright fraud perpetuated on the federal level. I certainly disagree with tax dollar being used to pay for someone's gender transition. And, as I have said here previously, I believe state governments should get OUT of the marriage business. People can get "married" privately. Courts can enforce marriage contracts just like they enforce other contracts.
I wish the U.S. was mostly like Little House on the Prairie wherein 99% were good Christian members of society that all set positive examples for children and where children respected their elders and other people's property, etc. Unfortunately, we're going in the other direction.
God does not FORCE us to follow him. We should not FORCE others to follow him either. The Christian in me says that people shouldn't engage in certain behaviors. The civil libertarian in me says that people should be free from me to make those choices.
And please keep this in mind. If you believe it is the role of government to implement Christian standards on society, what happens if/when Islam becomes the majority religion? Would you want government to impose Islam upon you and your family? I don't want government involved in those types of things and, I presume, neither do you.
Wow. No, I've never even remotely implied that a child should be able to consent to having sex with an adult. How did you glean that from my posts?
There are events in San Francisco wherein men openly masturbate in the streets while people watch. I disagree with such behavior and I disagree that it should be legal. The basis of my position is that I do NOT want to have to look at that while I'm walking down the street.
There are also private sex clubs where people go to have sex with others and/or to watch others. As that is done in private, I do not oppose the legality of the practice.
Make me emperor, that's the first thing I'll do! Fed and state!
We've spent trillions on that department and, as far as I can tell, our public schools have gotten worse.
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
Understood, but this answer suggests you think society should be left completely free to do as it pleases without any outside interference or governance in matters of morality. I would advise you that this happened in the days before the flood, and society eventually became so depraved and wicked that the Lord had to destroy the entire planet. It would seem to me that a little prohibitive governance on our parts to at least temporarily hinder the ever-increasing hastening of God's wrath, this time in fire, would be a good thing, would it not?
I'm not arguing for totalitarian theocracy any more than you are. But my point is that the value in governmental policy is in the opposite: Curtailing or at least postponing moral decay through law for as long as possible.
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
I think you're straining at a gnat here. The more private sex clubs a city allows, the more the things that go on there will be considered "acceptable" in modern society, and the more they are considered acceptable the more it will eventually spill out into the streets. This is just my point: Over-permissiveness in the name of preserving freedom will result in the moral disintegration of society, and don't look now but they are teaching our children in public schools from the earliest ages now not just to accept practices that our God describes as immoral, sinful and capable of sending someone to Hell if they give themselves to it, but they are training our children to endorse them. This is yet another case in point that things will not simply stay the same. They will go down the drain morally of there is nothing there to stop the momentum, and at the current time the church is most certainly not going to do the job. If the State does not, no one will.
Public schools are awful, but it sometimes cuts both ways. Case in point. A public school teacher once told her first grade class that they would not be celebrating Halloween because "It's the Devil's birthday". A student's mother heard of this and asked the teacher to "Stick to the three R's and leave the grand concepts to me".
Some people have such parties in their own homes. Do you want to outlaw it?
Private, competent, consenting adults should be able to engage in private behavior in the privacy of their own homes. Do you agree?
Similar threads
