[Solved]Matthew 12:31

[Cooper]

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

what are the sins considered against the holy spirit?

if I sinned against the holy spirit it would be better for me to die now I will also die in the next life I have no hope says christ and this is reality

it's so depressing but what can I do it is reality can I do anything to forgive me nothing.

I cannot imagine anyone here doing what the Pharisees did. Jesus was casting out devils, making the blind to see, and the dumb to speak. People were amazed and said, “Is not this the son of David?” Meaning the promised Messiah. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out devils by himself, he does it by the power of Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Jesus knew their thoughts, and said "if it was Beelzebub who is casting out devils, then he is destroying himself. No, it is not Beelzebub, it is by the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) that I cast out devils, proving the Kingdom of God has already come upon you.

The unpardonable sin is to accuse the Holy Spirit of being beelzebub, the ruler of demons. This is what the Pharisees were doing. It is like saying God and the Holy Spirit that came upon Jesus at his baptism is Satan's spirit. People who say that are beyond redemption.
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[Cooper]

oh i think i did that but how can you really know it was the work of the holy spirit

thing is you can't* put a dot on it i'll tell how i did it after you reply

Satan is the destroyer. He does not heal people.

 

[Cooper]

All sin are forgiven but one

don’t believe the lie only some sins will be forgiven. Jesus paid it all,

Except the unforgivable sin EG.

 

[Taken]

Utter Confusion...

Men forgiving SINS?
... only if a man IS Under the Mosaic LAW!
Under the LAW - a man's ACTION toward another man IS a Sin, and YES they Under the Law were taught to Forgive other men of Sin Against them.

Some men (Jews) have chosen to Not Believe Jesus is the Christ Messiah, And Remain Under the Mosaic Law. If that be the case with You...under the Mosaic Law, You can Continue Forgiving your Jewish Brethren of Sins Against You.

IF you Are Not Under Mosaic Law...the Mosaic Law Does NOT Apply to You...
You were NOT Given Authority to Forgive Sin of Another man.

If you are Not Under Mosaic Law...
* your Sin Of a Corrupt natural Body is a Sin Against God.
* your Sin Of Corrupting your soul is a Sin Against God.
* your Sin Of Corrupting your natural spirit, is A Sin Against God.

Only the Lord God can Forgive your Sins Against Him.

If you are NOT under Mosaic Law...
And you Have Trespassed Against another man...(intentionally lied, cheated, connived, stolen, his things his property...) you have Trespassed Against the other man ...and it is the other man, You are supposed to Seek forgiveness from and Amend what you have caused OF the other man's losses, because of You.
And as well, If men have trespassed against you...and Amended their Trespass, you should Forgive Them their Trespass.
If a man forgives a brother, Trespasses MADE Against him...
It's an automatic, the Lord will forgive, the one who Amended their own Trespasses, that their Trespass Are Forgiven (whether or not the man forgave the man), the Lord God does.

Sin and Trespasses...Not Under the Mosaic Law are TWO different things.

NOT under Mosaic Law-
Sin is Against God...and Only Forgiven By the Lord God.
Trespasses are Against men...ARE Forgiven By Men and the Lord God.

It is the Lord God that Quickens ones SPIRIT.
A man's Whose SPIRIT is Quickened...was dead and then quickened...and Forgiven All Sins Against God and All Trespasses Against men.

Eph.2
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Col.2
[13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Routinely men preach, they are Not under Mosaic Law...Yet preach that another man has "Sinned Against them"...and even go so far as to Demand an Apology for the other man's "Sin Against them".... for what? So the one demanding, can Forgive the Other of Sin?

Get real people...
Stop establishing yourself Not under Mosaic Law....then Pretending You Are Under Mosaic Law, and can Forgive Sin...it is Not your Authority to Forgive Sin!

You are Not...under the Mosaic Law and Then Under the Mosaic Law when You wiggle your
tongue and accuse others of "Sinning Against you."

Pay attention to the Language.
Are you AWARE...
Of US Laws regarding Biblical Principles?
Do you Know US Has Laws AGAINST men Trespassing Against Men and their property?..and the Consequences for men Trespassing Against men?
Are you AWARE US Laws DO NOT have Laws Aginst Sin or dole out Consequences For Committing SIN?
Do you Know WHY?
Sin is Against God.
God Himself dictates the Consequence of Sin Against Him.
God Himself doles out the Consequence for Sin Against Him.

2,00o years ago, the Jews understood Only God Forgives Sin.

Mark 2:
[7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Luke.5
[21] And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

2,000 years ago, many Jews did not Believe, (nor do most today) believe JESUS Is God in the Flesh likeness as a man...
And Why they wanted Him Killed...
The Jews only saw Jesus as a man...who was claiming to Be God.

John 10:
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

If you are Not under Mosaic Law...get a clue...others Not Under Mosaic Law, Can Not Sin Against you.
False accusations of accusing others of Sinning Against you...reveals your utter lack of understanding.

Taken

 

[Taken]

Remember- There IS Judgement.

(Every body, soul, spirit of man Will be Judged...and every body, soul, spirit OF the man...will be sentenced...for what will become the eternal Fate of a man's body, a man's soul, a man's spirit.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Amen, they were never believers, because they rejected Jesus, to reject Jesus is to com it this sin

but look what Jesus said, they were in Danger of.....

we all are in a state of this sin until we come to Christ. If we die in this state, that is what will condemn us,

Yes!
And "during the Tribulation"...ISRAEL who is still living, having Heard, but Rejected Jesus as their Christ Messiah, are Sent...Jews to Witness and Preach to The Jews that Christ Jesus IS their Messiah...
And more Witnesses are sent to "Every Tribe" to preach to Every Tribe (The WHOLE of ISRAEL), that Jesus Is their Christ Messiah.

They (the Jews, the Tribes elect to Believe the Preaching) or Not.

All that Elect to Believe, shall be Bodily Killed, (FOR...their Belief IN the Christ-Messiah)...
(Killed BY...the direction OF the Anti-Christ).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Rom 10:
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

about this...
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

I said no such thing.
If you blasphemed the Holy Spirit...already posted THAT consequence (Post # 16) is a Forfiet of Salvation.

The post you responded to is For one who HAS NOT blasphemed the Holy Spirit and Desires to Receive Salvation.

then a misunderstanding on my part

The only one talking about Lies...is You!

and a misunderstanding on your part

No. It is equivalent to you not knowing WHO to call upon TO Receive WHAT.

uhm are you offended and then regretting ever helping this stupid trash
but no the real answer is "misunderstanding"
there are no lies about what i said but there is a lie in what i understand sorry

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

I told you what Blaspheming Against the Holy Spirit means.

oh sorry i meant is could you tell me how to blaspheme the holy spirit?

I don't lie or comfort myself. Accusing other of lies, is not becoming to you. You are the one who comes to this forum Revealing your own depression of not understanding...then accuse others of lying, because you do not pay attention to what is being told you.

no actually the answer is i am not fluent in english the way i understanding the way you chat is different to the you way you normally do i honestly thought you were saying..

Only you personally can answer for yourself. *) Do you Believe (in you heart) IN the Heavenly God, being Creator and Maker of All things? *) Do you Believe (in your heart) God SENT His Word, as a man, (called JESUS) into the World, to Offer Salvation to All men? *) Do you Believe (in your heart) Jesus Bodily Died and was Bodily Raised up to Living By the Power of God? *) Do you Believe (in your heart) This JESUS, is the True Word of God? *) Do you Believe (in your heart) This JESUS is the Christ of God / meaning the POWER of God, that CAN, NOW, MAKE you WHOLE, WHOLLY (Perfected) (body, soul, spirit), By, Through, IN Christ , Once and Forever ? "IF" those answers "ARE" YES...

the answer is yes though but what comes next is

The HOW is Simple- Call out to the Lord Jesus, in His Name... * ) ASK for Forgiveness for your sins... * *)You having been Naturally born, with out Belief. * *)every day you lived without Belief... TRUST in your heart, He is Faithful and Shall forgive All of your sins. **) TELL Him, the Answers to YOUR YES. TRUST in your heart, "He" is Faithful and "Shall make you wholly Kept unto Him forever."

i really thought the unforgivable sins is included to what you are saying and then i am here having a hard time trying to explain things that is hard to explain only if you could understand my national language but you can't we can only talk in english that is why after coming here and making this thread i even chat my cousin i said to him that i am only talking to him because it's hard to understand english and told him about blaspheming the holy spirit and how it is done after that he never replied not sure why

and yes that is better talk to more informally now you can even be rude so long as it is the truth ignore the courtesy it's better for me this way

 

[CadyandZoe]

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

what are the sins considered against the holy spirit?

if I sinned against the holy spirit it would be better for me to die now I will also die in the next life I have no hope says christ and this is reality

it's so depressing but what can I do it is reality can I do anything to forgive me nothing.

To understand what Jesus means we need to review the situation into which he spoke these words. What just happened?

Jesus spent many days healing the people and doing miracles. And on this occasion, a demon possessed man, both blind and mute was brought to Jesus and Jesus healed the man. This caused the crowds to wonder whether, in fact, Jesus was the coming "son of David." (In other words, the messiah.) Once the Pharisees saw the crowd reaction, they began to teach the crowds that Jesus was performing miracles by the power of Beelzebul.

This was a lie; and this was the lie that Jesus said was unforgivable. Let this situation rest squarely in your mind. A man was demon possessed and because he was demon possessed he was blind and unable to speak. Jesus cast out the demon and the man was able to see and to speak. Does this sound like an act of Satan or God? To suggest that an obvious miracle of God was performed by Beelzebub indicates a spiritual condition inside the Pharisee that is most egregious when manifest in such a horrific display of rationalization. To attribute a miracle of God to Beelzebul is unforgivable because it indicates a heart so hard that no amount of proof will convince someone to accept the truth.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

I cannot imagine anyone here doing what the Pharisees did. Jesus was casting out devils, making the blind to see, and the dumb to speak. People were amazed and said, “Is not this the son of David?” Meaning the promised Messiah. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out devils by himself, he does it by the power of Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Jesus knew their thoughts, and said "if it was Beelzebub who is casting out devils, then he is destroying himself. No, it is not Beelzebub, it is by the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) that I cast out devils, proving the Kingdom of God has already come upon you.

The unpardonable sin is to accuse the Holy Spirit of being beelzebub, the ruler of demons. This is what the Pharisees were doing. It is like saying God and the Holy Spirit that came upon Jesus at his baptism is Satan's spirit. People who say that are beyond redemption.
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oh crap i did that right?
i am telling in my mind that this is the work of the demons it was the holy spirit inside the medium(person) i did want to talk with it but i don't think it's a good idea right at that time because if i did it the believers will be angry with me the believers are my family though

but how can i believe that even you will probably not believe that right?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Satan is the destroyer. He does not heal people.

uhm okay then would you believe that so called holy spirit in possession of a person?

 

[Brakelite]

Quote...
The Pharisees attributed to satanic agencies the holy power of God, manifested in the works of Christ. Thus the Pharisees sinned against the Holy Ghost. Stubborn, sullen, ironhearted, they determined to close their eyes to all evidence, and thus they committed the unpardonable sin 5BC 1092.4
Thus the sin that cannot be forgiven is that sin which credits devil's for doing work that God has done... Knowing full well that the evidence without equivocation points to God's work... But you choose to believe otherwise.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

False accusations of accusing others of Sinning Against you...reveals your utter lack of understanding.

is this for me?
let me just clarify about myself
whatever i know is true i will say it i may be a liar but i am trying to exposed it and be honest

so what i did is me being straightforward even if it's stupidity and ignorance i will say it as long as it is the truth that i know of yes was like denying myself from lying as far as i can remember i did it with pride while thinking highly of myself from thinking this way yes i am indeed a fool by just remembering it i now realized that that was shameful

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

To understand what Jesus means we need to review the situation into which he spoke these words. What just happened?

Jesus spent many days healing the people and doing miracles. And on this occasion, a demon possessed man, both blind and mute was brought to Jesus and Jesus healed the man. This caused the crowds to wonder whether, in fact, Jesus was the coming "son of David." (In other words, the messiah.) Once the Pharisees saw the crowd reaction, they began to teach the crowds that Jesus was performing miracles by the power of Beelzebul.

This was a lie; and this was the lie that Jesus said was unforgivable. Let this situation rest squarely in your mind. A man was demon possessed and because he was demon possessed he was blind and unable to speak. Jesus cast out the demon and the man was able to see and to speak. Does this sound like an act of Satan or God? To suggest that an obvious miracle of God was performed by Beelzebub indicates a spiritual condition inside the Pharisee that is most egregious when manifest in such a horrific display of rationalization. To attribute a miracle of God to Beelzebul is unforgivable because it indicates a heart so hard that no amount of proof will convince someone to accept the truth.

now that i think about it how do you know nowadays which is possessed and which is not?
Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

how did they know it is possessed? so then are crazy persons possessed by demons? and how can we know for sure it is the legit holy spirit?

 

[CadyandZoe]

now that i think about it how do you know nowadays which is possessed and which is not?
Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

how did they know it is possessed? so then are crazy persons possessed by demons? and how can we know for sure it is the legit holy spirit?

That is a good question. I personally don't know the answer. I suspect that those living in Jesus' day had experience with such things and could tell the difference between a malady and demon possession. I also suspect that today, in modern times, there are people suffering under demon possession. And there are Christians who have first-hand knowledge of this and can easily spot them. I don't know.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Except the unforgivable sin EG.

That’s the sin Jesus mentioned the ONE sin I was talking about. The sin of unbelief

 

[Cooper]

That’s the sin Jesus mentioned the ONE sin I was talking about. The sin of unbelief

OK. Sorry. I did not see that, all I saw was this, "don’t believe the lie only some sins will be forgiven. Jesus paid it all"
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[Cooper]

oh crap i did that right?
i am telling in my mind that this is the work of the demons it was the holy spirit inside the medium(person) i did want to talk with it but i don't think it's a good idea right at that time because if i did it the believers will be angry with me the believers are my family though

but how can i believe that even you will probably not believe that right?

The Pharisees did it deliberately, knowingly, and with harmful intent. That is not you, so please do not worry, no harm is done. God bless.
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[Cooper]

That is a good question. I personally don't know the answer. I suspect that those living in Jesus' day had experience with such things and could tell the difference between a malady and demon possession. I also suspect that today, in modern times, there are people suffering under demon possession. And there are Christians who have first-hand knowledge of this and can easily spot them. I don't know.

If the person concerned was waving a gun around and shooting people (example) or harming people in other ways, bank fraud for example, I would be inclined to think they were a servant of the devil. By their fruit ye shall know them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OK. Sorry. I did not see that, all I saw was this, "don’t believe the lie only some sins will be forgiven. Jesus paid it all"
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It’s all good.