A Prophetic Word

[Hidden In Him]

I could go on for pages about my reservations about Paul. When he contradicts Jesus, he leaves me very confused.

That sounds like a long discussion, but for future reference, summarize for me where you think he contradicts Him.

 

[Waiting on him]

I could go on for pages about my reservations about Paul. When he contradicts Jesus, he leaves me very confused. Sometimes too I wonder if all the books attributed to Paul were actually written by him.

I believe the perceived contradiction lies in our perspective, our being born is a product of Israel’s being redeemed.

 

[Waiting on him]

And so since we are born of what God accomplished through Israel, He no longer speaks to the nations? What are you saying?[/QUOTE
I’m still trying to find where I stayed He no longer speaks to the nations, if you’ll bare with me when I find it I’ll answer.

 

[Giuliano]

That sounds like a long discussion, but for future reference, summarize for me where you think he contradicts Him.

I'll give one example. In Acts, the 12 Apostles discussed things and said Gentile converts should not eat food sacrificed to idols; but Paul said it's okay.

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Yet Paul seems to think it was okay to visit a pagan temple and eat the food that had been offered to idols. His objection to doing it was only that it might make someone weak in faith stumble -- were the 12 apostles weak in faith when they forbid it?

1 Corinthians 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

Why make things so complicated? Why seek to undermine the simple directive of the twelve apostles?

Jesus condemned eating food offered to idols twice in Revelation.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

I Corinthians 10 has a passage about food offered to idols too. It also has another strange passage which suggests to me no learned Jew would have written:

I Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Paul said he studied under Gamaliel, a very famous rabbi. I can't believe a student of Gamaliel would have made such a mistake.

Exodus 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
. . . .
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

How does 3000 in Exodus become 23,000 in I Corinthians? Did Paul actually study with Gamaliel? Was his memory poor? Did someone add a passage later to a letter Paul wrote? Did Paul get it right but someone copied it wrong and then people kept copying the error? I have no idea.

 

[Giuliano]

I believe the perceived contradiction lies in our perspective, our being born is a product of Israel’s being redeemed.

I don't base my beliefs primarily on what Paul wrote. Peter said he was hard to understand.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[FollowHim]

The thing about Gods prophets of the Old Testament, is they were valiant. It seems to me that all the alleged modern prophets is their fearful, to the point they’ll nearly crap their pants “ buy guns and lots of ammunition “??? Don’t they know the fearful are among the first to go into the lake of fire?

The individual in the last video says take up your cross and follow me in the end of his joke of a prophesy but he also says Cary a gun, can one Cary a gun and a cross, Jesus didn’t seek to save his life?

One contributor to forums was proud they had a loaded gun ready to blow away an evil threat at a moment's notice. Where is the love and trust in God? No, survival is in our bunker, and tough on those not prepared for the chaos. Jesus would rather us dying to help people cope, and love the sinner who thought a gun brings peace.

What fools fail to see is the concrete coffin they have pre made for eternity, and missed the life of love reaching out to those in need. God bless you

 

[Hidden In Him]

I'll give one example. In Acts, the 12 Apostles discussed things and said Gentile converts should not eat food sacrificed to idols; but Paul said it's okay.

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Yet Paul seems to think it was okay to visit a pagan temple and eat the food that had been offered to idols. His objection to doing it was only that it might make someone weak in faith stumble -- were the 12 apostles weak in faith when they forbid it?

1 Corinthians 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

Why make things so complicated? Why seek to undermine the simple directive of the twelve apostles?

Jesus condemned eating food offered to idols twice in Revelation.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

I Corinthians 10 has a passage about food offered to idols too. It also has another strange passage which suggests to me no learned Jew would have written:

I Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Paul said he studied under Gamaliel, a very famous rabbi. I can't believe a student of Gamaliel would have made such a mistake.

Exodus 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
. . . .
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

How does 3000 in Exodus become 23,000 in I Corinthians? Did Paul actually study with Gamaliel? Was his memory poor? Did someone add a passage later to a letter Paul wrote? Did Paul get it right but someone copied it wrong and then people kept copying the error? I have no idea.

Paul's reference in 1 Corinthians 10:8 isn't to anything in Exodus. It's in reference to Numbers 25:9. But the rest is interesting. I would consider Paul's to have been a finer delineation on the teaching, not necessarily contradicting it directly so much as viewing it in light of the revelation that an idol is nothing, so food sacrificed to one doesn't actually mean a believer will of necessity be swearing allegiance to a demonic spirit through the act of eating meat.

But yes, he was somewhat contradicting (I would call it augmenting) the original teaching.

 

[Giuliano]

Paul's reference in 1 Corinthians 10:8 isn't to anything in Exodus. It's in reference to Numbers 25:9.

He was referencing two passages?

I think it was Exodus since I Corinthians says what Exodus says, that they sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play.

If it was to Numbers 25:9, he still got the number wrong.

Numbers 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

But the rest is interesting. I would consider Paul's to have been a finer delineation on the teaching, not necessarily contradicting it directly so much as viewing it in light of the revelation that an idol is nothing, so food sacrificed to one doesn't actually mean a believer will of necessity be swearing allegiance to a demonic spirit through the act of eating meat.

But yes, he was somewhat contradicting (I would call it augmenting) the original teaching.

I would not eat anything offered to an idol since I think it could be contaminated with demonic energy. A man once showed me a ring some Wiccans had given him. I asked if I could see it. When I put in the palm of my hand to look at it, I could feel the energy in it. I quickly handed it back to him.

 

[Waiting on him]

Paul's reference in 1 Corinthians 10:8 isn't to anything in Exodus. It's in reference to Numbers 25:9. But the rest is interesting. I would consider Paul's to have been a finer delineation on the teaching, not necessarily contradicting it directly so much as viewing it in light of the revelation that an idol is nothing, so food sacrificed to one doesn't actually mean a believer will of necessity be swearing allegiance to a demonic spirit through the act of eating meat.

But yes, he was somewhat contradicting (I would call it augmenting) the original teaching.

I think we have to consider maybe episitles written were written in regards to their current maturity in their understanding of Christ. He wrote to real people, that were learning paul would have taken into consideration the stage of development they were in, and also they were all most likely referencing the Hebrew Bible, they didn’t have the narrative we so fortunately do.

 

[Giuliano]

I think we have to consider maybe episitles written were written in regards to their current maturity in their understanding of Christ. He wrote to real people, that were learning paul would have taken into consideration the stage of development they were in, and also they were all most likely referencing the Hebrew Bible, they didn’t have the narrative we so fortunately do.

I'm not sure that can explain everything. Here's another problem. First the speech attributed to Paul in Acts:

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

But Jesus said:

Matthew 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

 

[Waiting on him]

I'm not sure that can explain everything. Here's another problem. First the speech attributed to Paul in Acts:

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

But Jesus said:

Matthew 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

I thought luke wrote acts?

 

[Nancy]

Waiting, God's message is not all about comfort. In the garden, the enemy lied to the woman, and brought death and suffering into the world. And the Lord addressed that serpent and the woman and told them that ENMITY would exist between their seeds from henceforth. In other words, WAR was coming. In Job, Satan destroyed everything the man had and loved, but by fighting against the temptation to reject God, in the end Job was victorious over Satan, and had all that was stolen from him returned to him and more. I could speak at length about how the Israelites had to fight against Satan throughout their entire history. I could speak at length about how the apostles did as well, and how Paul made continual reference to fighting the good fight of faith and standing strong in the face of the enemy's attacks as a soldier of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It was Paul who wrote for us the words,

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

The message the Lord is giving the church is not always one of comfort. Often times He speaks to us that we must prepare for war against our spiritual enemy, and stand against him until the battle is won. This is the message of the vision I posted for you.

"The message the Lord is giving the church is not always one of comfort. Often times He speaks to us that we must prepare for war against our spiritual enemy, and stand against him until the battle is won."

Yes, it seems that what I have read of the prophets of old that, they were rarely welcome, and some even killed! Carnal folk don't want to hear "bad" news, don't want anybody to rain on their parade.
Funny, as it was probably the best and most important news they could receive - yet another chance from God Himself! They could not see that His warning was in actuality another chance to repent. How many of us have not heeded His warnings in the past? Complacency is rampant, then and now

 

[Waiting on him]

"The message the Lord is giving the church is not always one of comfort. Often times He speaks to us that we must prepare for war against our spiritual enemy, and stand against him until the battle is won."

Yes, it seems that what I have read of the prophets of old that, they were rarely welcome, and some even killed! Carnal folk don't want to hear "bad" news, don't want anybody to rain on their parade.
Funny, as it was probably the best and most important news they could receive - yet another chance from God Himself! They could not see that His warning was in actuality another chance to repent. How many of us have not heeded His warnings in the past? Complacency is rampant, then and now

That’s most likely what it is, in my carnality I believe the battle belongs to God.
Who knows maybe I will one day have vultures vomiting on me and demons pissing on me as I throw spears at them and arrows, and I almost forgot my sword to anchor me so everyone can see MY GLORY.

1 Samuel 17:47 KJV
[47] And all this assembly shall know that the Lord saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hands.

 

[Waiting on him]

Isaiah 63:1-6 KJV
[1] Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. [2] Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. [4] For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. [5] And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. [6] And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

 

[Taken]

A Prophetic Word
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In anutshell-
If you Are IN Christ. And an American...
* Pray for the deception to come out of Americans.
* Pray for the American Nation to be Healed.
* Pray for Authorized American Servants to be Righteous according to Gods Righteousness.

Glory to God,
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[Waiting on him]

I'm not sure that can explain everything. Here's another problem. First the speech attributed to Paul in Acts:

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

But Jesus said:

Matthew 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

Here again just my opinion, I believe Jesus was showing the Pharisees that they placed their faith in men and the temples they had constructed of stone, and Stephen post gifting of the Holy Spirit is confirming the same message.

 

[Heart2Soul]

"The message the Lord is giving the church is not always one of comfort. Often times He speaks to us that we must prepare for war against our spiritual enemy, and stand against him until the battle is won."

Yes, it seems that what I have read of the prophets of old that, they were rarely welcome, and some even killed! Carnal folk don't want to hear "bad" news, don't want anybody to rain on their parade.
Funny, as it was probably the best and most important news they could receive - yet another chance from God Himself! They could not see that His warning was in actuality another chance to repent. How many of us have not heeded His warnings in the past? Complacency is rampant, then and now

The whole kingdom of Ninevah was spared because they heeded the warning from God spoken through the prophet Jonah!

 

[Hidden In Him]

If it was to Numbers 25:9, he still got the number wrong.

Correct, but it's one of those things where Jewish tradition may have changed on the actual numbers, or that he simply made an error by going on memory rather than looking it up.

I would not eat anything offered to an idol since I think it could be contaminated with demonic energy. A man once showed me a ring some Wiccans had given him. I asked if I could see it. When I put in the palm of my hand to look at it, I could feel the energy in it. I quickly handed it back to him.

You are assuming some high degree of demonic presence would have rested upon every piece of meat that was sacrificed. They sacrificed animals by the hundreds for the festivals. It would be like thinking everything at your local McDonald's or meat market was possessed of the Devil.

But that's just the point Paul was teaching. For some people, doing so would have bothered their conscience way too much. For me, I would have eaten, and told Beelzebub where he could get off, LoL.

 

[Bobby Jo]

@FollowHim

... can one Carry a gun and a cross, ...

A fool despises Scripture:

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

And as posted previously:

... if a CLOAK is VALUABLE because it keeps us warm at night, provides shade in the heat of the day, and can even keep us from being soaked in the rain, -- and we're told to sell it and buy a Sword --, then how MUCH MORE IMPORTANT is the Sword?!?​

Bobby Jo

 

[Heart2Soul]

A real "Biblical Prophet" would be those who have never once had a prophecy fail. The Prophets of God in the Bible are legit, there are no modern day prophets just as there are not modern day apostles.

You might study the Bible a little more...because even the real prophets missed it occasionally. But the ones that kept missing it God shut their mouths so they couldn't prophesy anymore.
The kind of statement like the one you made is a pure lack of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the Power of the Holy Spirit to manifest and speak through God's vessels.
The saddest part is this false statement gets spread to others who are still trying to learn.
I thank God I didn't have a teacher like this. My teacher was and is and will always be the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
God Bless