That's NOT what it says.
It says:
Col. 2:12
"...having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were ALSO raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead."
In the kjv:
Col 2:12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with
him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
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1Ti 6:4, He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
2Ti 2:14, Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
Uh huh - and WHO determines when a child is of the "Age of Consent"?
Uh...how about the Lord?
Soooooo, a child who isn't old enough to make basic life decisions like quitting school or getting married at 11 years old - but they ARE old enough to decide where they will spend eternity??
Yes...the Lord determines whether someone is old enough to make a decision for or against Christ; and from that moment on they are accountable.
The Church consists of all those who do
NOT reject her teaching. To
reject His
Church is to reject
HIM and the
ONE who sent
HIM (Luke 10:16).
Then you're
not in
HIS Church - but one of your
OWN making . . .
The real teaching of the church has to do with what is written in holy scripture. If an established church organization claims to be authoritative because of your verse above, and yet speaks forth things that are not according to scripture (such as the perpetual virginity of Mary, when Jesus, scripturally, had brothers and sisters), then the people of that church organization are rejecting the teaching of the true church as the disciples of it wrote holy scripture; and therefore they reject Him and the One who sent Him; because it was members of the church who penned holy scripture; and in rejecting their words, then claiming to have similar authority as those who penned holy scripture, they are not only rejecting the words of truth but are claiming apostolic authority for doctrines that are diametrically opposed to it.
In all reality, Luke 10:16 is written to those who have been given the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for them on the Cross...not to a specific church organization with a specific title. The title does not confer authority. What confers authority is when a person has been given the Holy Spirit (see Luke 21:15, Acts of the Apostles 6:10).
That's sad.
I believe in CHRIST and His Church . . .
I would say to you that Martin Luther was a member of Christ's church. And if he was ever excommunicated, he wrote his 95 theses before he was excommunicated; and therefore was a member of Christ's church when he wrote the theses.
Therefore, your contention about Luke 10:16 applies to your rejection of Luther's 95 theses...
Hi JBF,
I know that there are some Protestant denominations that partake of communion. Some teach that it is His body/blood just like The Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches do. Sooooo no, I did not assume that. Therefor my scenario,
of which you did not answer, is still a valid scenario:
A person comes to me and says that they KNOW they have a true relationship with Him. I say ditto...ME TOO....let's be friends and talk Scripture. Several conversations/days later they tell me that one MUST eat His body and drink His blood in the form of bread/wine to have a true relationship with Him because scripture says Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. They say I want to have eternal life and be raised on the last day that is why I participate in the Eucharist.
I tell them, no, no, no, that's not true. That is NOT what Scripture means. It's a metaphor etc. etc. etc.
So I ask you justbyfaith...which one of us truly has a relationship with him? The one who participates in bread/wine or the one who doesn't? BTW...we both think that we don't need anyone to teach us so we walk away from each other mad....
Patient Mary
PS....I will answer your questions once you answer mine!!!
The epitome of your question has inherent within it the concept of the Eucharist and I have answered concerning that and so will not address your question based on that.
Whether one truly has a relationship with Him is not based on what they think about the Eucharist; rather it is based in what they think about Jesus Christ. Do they believe in Him, and in what He did for them on the Cross? I know that there are some Catholics who do; however, in also placing their trust in Mary as co-redeemer, they diminish the work of Christ and are very likely not trusting in Him fully. There is another who is gathering their attention and worship; and you must realize that our God is a jealous God.
So, in answer to your question, they both may have a relationship with Jesus, while one may not have studied out the subject thoroughly enough to come to a biblical conclusion on the matter. A relationship with Jesus is not dependent on what you believe about the Eucharist but is rather dependent on what you believe about Jesus and Him dying for you on the Cross.
And I would also say again, that those who believe that the bread and wine is transubstantiated by the Catholic Church then become dependent on the Catholic Church for eternal life (because they believe that eternal life is conferred through the eating of the elements); and this creates a dependence on human leaders in the Catholic Church and is a cult-like mentality.
Soooooo there is no.....what you called....."official church organization" that you and I can go to in an effort to settle this difference between you and I???
Since you are a "Oneness" adherent you really don't need to go to anyone? You figure it all out on your own? (I think that is what you are saying)
I would say to this that the Bible is the final authority.
Psa 118:8, It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Psa 118:9, It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
