Write My Laws on Your Hearts

[CharismaticLady]

1 Corinthians 12:2 KJV
[2] Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

Were is the operative word.

 

[marks]

Ok, I see that as already having been fulfilled.

Do you mean the 70th week fulfilled?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do you see grace as the power of God to keep the laws written on your heart? Not the 10C, but to be able to love Jesus with all of your heart, mind and body, and love your neighbor? 1 John 3:23

Primarily, at least, I see grace as God's favor towards us in giving us Christ.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Primarily, at least, I see grace as God's favor towards us in giving us Christ.

Much love!

One fundamental difference. I see it more in what Christ gave us. His powerful sinless Spirit and enabling His followers to be like Him. Something, no one could do on their own or deserve, and to be holy enough to have eternal life with a Holy God.

Revelation 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Hebrews 12:14: Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

I see grace given to us in scripture as the power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you mean the 70th week fulfilled?

Much love!

That’s the way I see it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ok, I see that as already having been fulfilled.

If you look at Daniel 7, 8 and 9. I see that seeing as Daniel 8 tribulation was 7 years 67 BC to 60 BC, and Daniel 9 tribulation was 7 years 66 AD to 73 AD, the the end times of Daniel 7 will probably follow the paradigm of seven years as in Revelation. Two three and a half periods. And they all have to do with Jews.

 

[Truther]

So thank You God for grace!

Amen!

 

[Truther]

Thank you, Truther, very well written!

I have a question, Hebrews 2:15, The Holy Spirit testifies to us, this seems to you to have significance in including the gentiles, is that correct?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm thinking since this is a letter written to Hebrews by an Hebrew (presumably) about the intricacies of these covenants, then the us could be the Hebrews?

There is actually another question . . . Abraham was promised to be the father of "many nations", how do you see this fulfilled?

For the most part here it looks to me we're on the same or adjacent pages.

Much love!

Yes, Hebrews includes Gentiles. To the church, there was no Jew or Gentile, only one group that had more knowledge of the Law than another.

What happened is Abraham's seed was singled out to be great. This involves genetic seed AND adopted seed(via Christ). Jesus was in the lineage of Abraham, so not only do the Jewish descendants become physical nations, but the adopted descendants by Jesus(church of all nationalities) become family too.... by being born again.

 

[Waiting on him]

Were is the operative word.

Maybe the reason we can’t find a record of a gentile having Gods laws written on his heart is because there’s no such thing. It would be like asking me to find some hens teeth.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Maybe the reason we can’t find a record of a gentile having Gods laws written on his heart is because there’s no such thing. It would be like asking me to find some hens teeth.

Of course there is. Do you believe only Jews can be born again?

 

[charity]

They will find approval if they do right. Is there anyone who always does right?

I'm still thinking/praying about what the "work of the Law" means.

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

My read of this is that if you have the Law, your sin will be judged by that Law. If you don't have the Law, yet you still have a sense of right and wrong, and that's going to do you in.

I'm reminded of 2 Thessalonians, "the secret working of lawlessness", I should take a look there with this in mind.

Much love!

'Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness,
and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another'
(Rom 2:15)

Hello Marks,

I am enjoying reading through this thread. Having reached page 5, and #96 (above) I would like to respond to your thoughts regarding the phrase, 'the work of the law' of Romans 2:15. The context explains this I believe: God is righteous and fair whether dealing with the believer or the unbeliever, Jew or Gentile; for what this passage makes clear is that the Gentile who never had the standard of the law of God given through Moses, will not be judged by that standard. Nevertheless he is not without law entirely, for inwardly, he has a law which should be the regulator of his thoughts and action, and this is HIS CONSCIENCE (or the law of conscience). This is the moral law in miniature as it were. Conscience either condemns his wrong doing (accuses him) or witnesses that he is right (excuses him), and all this is open to God Who, unlike man, knows the thoughts and the intents of the heart in every person and in every particular.

'The work of the law' within: whether in the case of the Jew (the law of Moses) or in the case of the Gentile who does not have the law of Moses, (the law of conscience), works within the individual, accusing or excusing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waiting on him]

Of course there is. Do you believe only Jews can be born again?

The born again, are a new creation. Let me ask. Can Christ be within, and not perform His law?

my friend stopped by last night, all he wanted to discuss was his church and how he is in this group and that group. He proceeded again for the umpteenth time telling me how I needed to pay a ten percent tithe, how I need to speak in tongues, all the while boasting that he had the spiritual gift of exaltation, said he exalts himself, and was serious?

 

[Waiting on him]

'Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
their conscience also bearing witness,
and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another'
(Rom 2:15)

Hello Marks,

I am enjoying reading through this thread. Having reached page 5, and #96 (above) I would like to respond to your thoughts regarding the phrase, 'the work of the law' of Romans 2:15. The context explains this I believe: God is righteous and fair whether dealing with the believer or the unbeliever, Jew or Gentile; for what this passage makes clear is that the Gentile who never has the standard of the law of God given through Moses, will not be judged by that standard. Nevertheless he is not without law entirely, for inwardly, he has a law which should be the regulator of his thoughts and action, and this is HIS CONSCIENCE (or the law of conscience). This is the moral law in miniature as it were. Conscience either condemns his wrong doing (accuses him) or witnesses that he is right (excuses him), and all this is open to God Who, unlike man, knows the thoughts and the intents of the heart in every person and in every particular.

'The work of the law' within: whether in the case of the Jew (the law of Moses) or in the case of the Gentile who does not have the law of Moses, (the law of conscience), works within the individual, accusing or excusing.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

It reads accusing or excusing one another, not accusing or excusing self.
Galatians 6:2 KJV
[2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
He is the Law, the Righteousness of God within the born again.

 

[Waiting on him]

Luke 20:21 KJV
[21] And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:
1 Thessalonians 4:9 KJV
[9] But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The born again, are a new creation. Let me ask. Can Christ be within, and not perform His law?

my friend stopped by last night, all he wanted to discuss was his church and how he is in this group and that group. He proceeded again for the umpteenth time telling me how I needed to pay a ten percent tithe, how I need to speak in tongues, all the while boasting that he had the spiritual gift of exaltation, said he exalts himself, and was serious?

Interesting. There is a gift of exortation, where you encourage others about themselves. But this is a new one for me. Those who glory, glory in the Lord.

The born again ARE a new creation, and obey naturally by their new divine nature, the eternal laws of God, which are for the whole world, not just the Jews. The eternal law was from the beginning: To love God with all your heart, mind and body, and love your neighbor as yourself. The 10C never went that deep to the heart. They were about outward actions. In other words, the bottom line.

 

[marks]

One fundamental difference. I see it more in what Christ gave us. His powerful sinless Spirit and enabling His followers to be like Him. Something, no one could do on their own or deserve, and to be holy enough to have eternal life with a Holy God.

Revelation 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Hebrews 12:14: Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

I see grace given to us in scripture as the power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4

Yes, "grace" as a thing on it's own . . . as if God dishes it out to use in portions, and we receive the 'juice' to do things, a separate thing from God Himself.

This grace that makes us holy, is it not the very Person of Jesus Christ living in me?

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, "grace" as a thing on it's own . . . as if God dishes it out to use in portions, and we receive the 'juice' to do things, a separate thing from God Himself.

This grace that makes us holy, is it not the very Person of Jesus Christ living in me?

Much love!

Grace is shown in Romans 8:9. So, yes, it is Christ inside of us, empowering us. 2 Peter 1:2-4

 

[Waiting on him]

Interesting. There is a gift of exortation, where you encourage others about themselves. But this is a new one for me. Those who glory, glory in the Lord.

The born again ARE a new creation, and obey naturally by their new divine nature, the eternal laws of God, which are for the whole world, not just the Jews. The eternal law was from the beginning: To love God with all your heart, mind and body, and love your neighbor as yourself. The 10C never went that deep to the heart. They were about outward actions. In other words, the bottom line.

The flesh profits nothing, Only Christ in you can fulfill.

 

[marks]

What happened is Abraham's seed was singled out to be great. This involves genetic seed AND adopted seed(via Christ). Jesus was in the lineage of Abraham, so not only do the Jewish descendants become physical nations, but the adopted descendants by Jesus(church of all nationalities) become family too.... by being born again.

That's pretty much how I think of this.

Yes, Hebrews includes Gentiles. To the church, there was no Jew or Gentile, only one group that had more knowledge of the Law than another.

OK. To me, Hebrews is first to the Jews, and ushers them into their new covenant. I find it very interesting,

Acts 21:20 "And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:"

Much love!

 

[marks]

It reads accusing or excusing one another, not accusing or excusing self.
Galatians 6:2 KJV
[2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
He is the Law, the Righteousness of God within the born again.

It's in the syntax. Accusing is in the Active voice, something done to others. Excusing is in the Reflexive voice, something you do to yourself.

Much love!