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What???Rev. 12:1 faithful Israel was a type of Mary!
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The woman is national Israel, not Mary.Is 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Is Mary the sign of Jesus?
The woman is national Israel, not Mary.
No, it is Israel. That is the flow. The church is the 12 tribes of nobody(12 stars).Yet the symbolic woman of the Rev.12:17 verse is about Christ's Church. So one must needs keep to flow of the chapter.
The woman is national Israel, not Mary.
No, Mary does not bear the 12 stars of the 12 tribes.do you have biblical evidence for that or are you infallible?
Is 7:14 God will give you a sign, that’s Mary! Israel was a type of Mary?
The children of Israel kept the commandments? Have the testimony of Jesus? Or did they say crucify him? Rev 12:17 Mary enables her spiritual children to keep the commandments and testify to Jesus, all graces come thru Mary!
No, it is Israel. That is the flow. The church is the 12 tribes of nobody(12 stars).
No, Mary does not bear the 12 stars of the 12 tribes.
She is from one of the 12.
It is national Israel.
But The kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the church,
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Israel now of the bond woman not the free, gal 4
and it is Mary in gen 3:15 who is at war with Satan the old dragon, and rev 12 Mary is the mother of Jesus who rules the nations. GTG
Is 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Is Mary the sign of Jesus?
Right, the 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel(12,000 per tribe).Why are you denying this:
Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV
Mary is at war?But The kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the church,
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Israel now of the bond woman not the free, gal 4
and it is Mary in gen 3:15 who is at war with Satan the old dragon, and rev 12 Mary is the mother of Jesus who rules the nations. GTG
No, these are 3 different prophecies. Use of the word "sign" does not tie them together to mean the same thing.
Isa 7.14: the birth of Isaiah's child was a prophetic sign to him of a child being born in the future as Messiah, who would bring final deliverance for Israel.
Rev 12.1: the revelation of the Church giving birth to Christ was a sign of ultimate victory of the Kingdom of God.
Mat 24.30: the coming of Christ from heaven is the sign of the coming of the Kingdom.
In the Olivet Discourse, the Disciples of Jesus were confused by his Gospel of a Near Kingdom. He had just said that Israel would fall--how then could the Kingdom be near, and what would be the actual sign of the coming Kingdom?
Jesus indicated that despite the fall of Israel, the Messianic Kingdom would still come, indicated by the coming of Jesus from heaven. This would be the actual sign of the coming Kingdom. What made the Kingdom "near" was the fact that Jesus himself had been present at the sign of this development. As well, his salvation became immediately available after his death. And judgment would also be imminent for those who commit apostasy against the true religion.
Christ founded the church mt 16:18 not the other way around.
My 24:30? I’m not refering to the second coming but the sign of the son of man just before He comes.
I'm just giving my view.
I don't actually understand what you mean by claiming Christ founded the church in Mat 16.18--not the other way around? What's the other way around?
My view is that Christ's coming from heaven *is* the sign Jesus referred to in the Olivet Discourse. The preliminary signs were things like the unprepared state of the world as in the days of Noah.
Basically, the world will not be looking for any signs of his Coming, and will seem quite content with things as they are, justifying their sinful behavior. For Christians, the only thing we can do is recognize that Satan has a hold of the world right now, and keep our eyes focused on Christ and on his ways. Then we'll be ready for the Kingdom when it does come.
you said the church gives birth to Christ, the other way around would be Christ founding the church.
Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
after these thing happen you don’t think people will know it’s the second coming?
you can’t miss it, the sign will be seen in heaven!