Domestic Violence
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Doesn't fornication refer to premarital activity? the exception clause seems to refer to premarital activity discovered during the Jewish betrothal period, before the couple came together; it's interesting that Joseph and Mary had not come together when Joseph briefly considered putting Mary away but then the angel told him that he should not fear to take Mary to himself as his wife.
I don't see why not. I absolutely do accept it. There's just a lot more I would like to say...or add ....or ask ....
My point was that in Scripture where the two words fornication and adultery occur, fornication seems to refer to premarital activity, while adultery refers to something that happens within marriage. This was the point of my comment.
Exactly ...that was something I mentioned in a previous post ..."what if he had a sexual relationship with a girlfriend before marriage to his wife?"
Well I did hear about a normal family off in the wilderness of Iowa.... LOL
But I still think it was a tall tale.
Children of abusive parents are going to have a very difficult time with friendships... marriage takes even more grace than a friendship can even think about.
Trouble comes into every family in some fashion...and a whole host of them over a lifetime. Everything from temptations to financial problems to an actual problem of having no problems. (And yes, having no problems creates large problems)
And it's that commitment to always viewing (by both marriage partners) as viewing problems and issues as how the two of you are going to solve them together that's going to make a marriage work.
I can speak from experience that I'm always surprised and delighted to no end when I'm trying to solve a problem and my wife joins in with her additional assistance in it. It's usually a huge help too. There's times we've both had to just "grin and bear it" too. But together we have had a huge impact on those we come in contact with. Even when she doesn't feel like she is contributing much I still see her contributions as very valuable and important...it just wouldn't be the same without her by my side. And what is always disturbing to me is it's obvious that I absolutely adore my wife to many others...which somehow makes other's wives or husbands covet me or her. We have a unique relationship. We aren't capable of doing life without the other. We get chastised by her parents for "making out" and we've been happily married for 10 years now. (Her brother got divorced)
But I've seen how many abused children react in marriage...it isn't a good thing. Baggage comes with everyone. They have "go to" feelings and reactions that often conflict with marriage goals. Very difficult to overcome. An understanding spouse helps...so does understanding what's wrong by the one reacting. But they don't always do it when it's taken as a personal affront and conflict arises.
101G
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not saying that you're right or wrong, but where is that in the bible?
PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
What has The Light to do with darkness. This man has no Biblical responsibility, for he walks in the darkness still, despite what his lips profess. What he has done unto her, he has done unto The Lord. This woman is free to leave and to forgive.(Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.) It will be hard for this woman to leave, for it the only thing she has known. But it is possible, for all things are possible with God.
Fornication is somewhat of a misnomer...it is tantamount to adultery because the likelihood of the fornicators getting married later in life is high...
But I do believe that when Jesus said that if a man looks at a woman with lust he has committed adultery in his heart... meaning that now the wife has grounds for a divorce.
So in a fashion that was groundbreaking news. That a person's thoughts were just as sinful as actions. (Adultery was grounds for death penalty)
Adultery was always grounds for execution...
When women were accused of adultery it usually ended up with either them getting "put away" as Joseph was going to do with Mary when he found out she was pregnant or by stoning (execution). No need for a divorce in either case.
Being put away was horrible abuse. Homeless, jobless, and no means of gaining a new husband the women had to resort to either prostitution or death....or moving to another place and lying about her history and gaining a new husband...which was adultery. If she was caught she would be executed.
When men were caught in adultery...
It could be very expensive or painful or even execution depending on the circumstances.
Physical violence has no place in a marriage. No one should remain in a dangerous situation. Both partners share the responsibility for the success of the marriage. The most important thing, and what's best for the children, is a solid commitment to stay in the marriage. Just like the vows say. This commitment should include learning each other's love language. If you love someone the way you want to be loved, it may not be how they need to be loved.
I've learned these things the hard way. I've been divorced twice. I've devoted myself to the Lord since then. I do have 7 grandchildren so I'm happy about that. I want to spend my life serving Jesus. And so I shall. Shalom.
I've learned these things the hard way. I've been divorced twice. I've devoted myself to the Lord since then. I do have 7 grandchildren so I'm happy about that. I want to spend my life serving Jesus. And so I shall. Shalom.
It would be in keeping with 1 Cor. 7 to stay how she is or be reconciled to her husband.
Well she definitely has issues with picking suitable spouses. I would advise against remarrying anyone on that fact alone.
Divorce (no matter what or how) causes a person's heart to have a callous with relationships. It's so much easier the second time to divorce than the first.
The same thing with sexual relationships and shacking up...they are just like a marriage emotionally. Just because the legal protections of a marriage aren't there really has no bearing on a person's heart.
God hates divorce for good reasons.... because of how they damage us as people.
101G
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to all christian who may be following this topic, this is a very important subject. many a christian are suffering in a dead marriage. if I may I would like to share some light on Marriage and divorce.
Marriage and divorce, both is a two step process. understand both will clear up a lot of confusion on this subject.
A. Marriage. the steps. 1. espouse marriage. 2. consummated marriage. each have it own rules and regulation to follow.
B. Divorce. the steps. 1. Putting away. 2. Bill of Divorcement. each have it own rules and regulation to follow.
understanding each steps, we can understand scripture better. example in a 1. espouse marriage, and infidelity is found, there is no need for a bill of Divorcement, but putting away if nessary, but by the innocent party part. for an espouse marriage is not complete until one have sexual intercourse with his or her spouse. which bring us to 2. a consummated marriage, or fully married. yes, to get out of this marriage one just cannot put away their spouse. but a bill of divorcement must be given.
knowing these few things we can understand the scripture better.
since divorce is the hot topic, then there I'll start first. one can put away a spouse, on certian condition, (but not on every whim), but if not given a 2. Bill of Divorcement, then one is still Married. that's why in, 1 Corinthians 7:11 "But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." one can only reconciled to her husband, because they are still married. hence remain unmarried, hence (no adultery or foricination). for all marriage have problems. if its get heated, separate, or depart. but for only a little while. this is what we call cooling off period. and why the Lord said, "reconciled to her husband". little disputes are salvageable.
so if one just "Put away" without step 2. Bill of Divorcement, in a 2. consummated marriage they are stilled married. and if one marry again without that bill of Divorcement, then you're an adulterers, or as our brother James puts it, James 4:4a "Ye adulterers and adulteresses". until you have that 2. Bill of Divorcement, in a 2. consummated marriage or until one of you physically die, then you're still married.
that's just one area where these laws come into play in divorce.
but knowing these terms, one can navigate in the scriptures more clearly.
PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Marriage and divorce, both is a two step process. understand both will clear up a lot of confusion on this subject.
A. Marriage. the steps. 1. espouse marriage. 2. consummated marriage. each have it own rules and regulation to follow.
B. Divorce. the steps. 1. Putting away. 2. Bill of Divorcement. each have it own rules and regulation to follow.
understanding each steps, we can understand scripture better. example in a 1. espouse marriage, and infidelity is found, there is no need for a bill of Divorcement, but putting away if nessary, but by the innocent party part. for an espouse marriage is not complete until one have sexual intercourse with his or her spouse. which bring us to 2. a consummated marriage, or fully married. yes, to get out of this marriage one just cannot put away their spouse. but a bill of divorcement must be given.
knowing these few things we can understand the scripture better.
since divorce is the hot topic, then there I'll start first. one can put away a spouse, on certian condition, (but not on every whim), but if not given a 2. Bill of Divorcement, then one is still Married. that's why in, 1 Corinthians 7:11 "But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." one can only reconciled to her husband, because they are still married. hence remain unmarried, hence (no adultery or foricination). for all marriage have problems. if its get heated, separate, or depart. but for only a little while. this is what we call cooling off period. and why the Lord said, "reconciled to her husband". little disputes are salvageable.
so if one just "Put away" without step 2. Bill of Divorcement, in a 2. consummated marriage they are stilled married. and if one marry again without that bill of Divorcement, then you're an adulterers, or as our brother James puts it, James 4:4a "Ye adulterers and adulteresses". until you have that 2. Bill of Divorcement, in a 2. consummated marriage or until one of you physically die, then you're still married.
that's just one area where these laws come into play in divorce.
but knowing these terms, one can navigate in the scriptures more clearly.
PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
You have the steps reversed as listed in scripture.
The Bill of Divorce was always primary and a requisite step before putting her away.
God had an issue with men following the second step without completion of the first step UNLESS she had committed adultery.
101G
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unbelieving have nothing to do with Domestic Violence, read your commentary on that verse. unbelieving is spiritual in nature, Domestic Violence is physical in nature. I don't think that qualify.
but thanks.
PICJAG.
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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