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I would say that not every sect in Protestantism is led by the Holy Spirit in believing what they believe; just as the Catholic Church is no longer led by the Holy Spirit to believe what it believes.
It's been 500 YEARS of confusion - and generation after generation of Protestants have died believing in erroneous and/or competing doctrines.As I explained in a post above, even those who have the Holy Ghost are being transformed by the renewing of their minds. And therefore, one Protestant believer may believe one thing that is erroneous while another believes the truth on the matter. But if the Spirit of truth is in them, they will come to the knowledge of the truth eventually by continued study of the word of God (2 Timothy 2:15).
Clearly, if someone has the Holy Spirit, then the promise that the Holy Spirit will guide them into all truth applies...
For why would the Holy Spirit dwell in a person's heart and yet not operate in His vocation of guiding that person into all truth?
YOU disagree with virtually everything I say - so what's the difference?I tend to disagree with you there. For there is one God; even one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).
Sooooooo, Psalm 78:2, Matt. 13:34 and Mark 4:2 are LYING when they said that Jesus taught the crowds in Parables??There is another hermeneutical rule given to us in the word itself...
That wherever there is a promise given in the Bible, the person reading it can obtain that promise by faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22)
Yup - so what's your point?There is one God; even one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).
And the text is RED is where you ALWAYS get into trouble because you don't do your homework.I believe that Ignatius, when he said, "Catholic", meant Universal.
The term did not carry the same meaning as it does today....for today it represents a denomination that is cult-like in that it claims to be the true church and the source of everything Christian.
These are descriptions of what the Church is. It's STILL the Church of God.Christs Church has a Name.
The locations were by the Names of the cities.
Acts 20:
[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1Cor.10
[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
1Cor.11
[22] What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Cor.15
[9] For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
2Cor.1
[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of Godwhich is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Gal.1
[13] For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
1Tim.3
[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Glory to God,
Taken
In order for this to be true - you have to assume that Jesus LIED in Matt. 16:18 when He promised that His Church would never succumb to the gates of Hell.
It's been 500 YEARS of confusion - and generation after generation of Protestants have died believing in erroneous and/or competing doctrines.
Soooooo, WHEN you you expect that the Holy Spirit will set everybody straight??
Sooooooo, Psalm 78:2, Matt. 13:34 and Mark 4:2 are LYING when they said that Jesus taught the crowds in Parables??
Jesus didn't instruct His inner circle in the same way - so YES, there IS a hermeneutical difference in the way you interpret the Scriptures regarding either group.
There is explicit Scriptural teaching and IMPLICIT Scriptural teaching.
Any 1st year Scripture student knows this.
I don't see any problem with the understanding that Polycarp was being redundant.And the text is RED is where you ALWAYS get into trouble because you don't do your homework.
Ignatius was writing about the "Catholic Church" as a title - not a mere description.
This is evidenced by further 2nd century documentation.
One ROCK SOLID example is the second century document, The Martyrdom of Polycarp. This document has a very interesting phrase in it which would make NO sense at all if what you're claiming is true.
Let's take a look, shall we?
Excerpt from The Martyrdom of Polycarp:
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.
The words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “throughout” and “whole" or "universal”.
The phrase in this document - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - would be horribly redundant, if not comical. if this was a mere description and not a title. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole whole throughout Church throughout the world ..."
It is blindingly clear that this document is using the term Catholic Church as a TITLE and not a mere description or the wording would make NO sense whatsoever in Greek.
Paul answered that question in Rom. 1:6 when he said:When a Church is doing the Will of God, But We are Warned many times about False Teachers False Authority, Doctrines of Devils etc so you cant just throw lots of verses around without any context And then say see you have to Listen To Ceaser now...
You can't separate Christ from Christs Teachings It’s not that the apostles were given the privilege of changing God’s mind, as if whatever they decided on earth would be duplicated in heaven,but as they moved forward advancing Jesus Kingdom, they would be fulfilling God’s plan in heaven.
When the apostles “bound” something, or forbade it on earth, they were carrying out the will of God in the matter. When they “loosed” something, or allowed it on earth, they were likewise fulfilling God’s eternal plan.
The disciples will forgive just as Christ has forgiven. How has Christ forgiven? On the basis of His death and to be received by faith. How should the disciples forgive? On the basis of Christ's death and to be received by faith. So as the disciples declare Christ and His forgiveness in the power of the Spirit, the world's response to their message will be its response to Christ, You cant Use Verses Out of Context to try to usurp Jesus Authority
The Churchs Authority Is to preach The Gospel And Advance Gods Kingdom On Earth as Peter Did, But we are left with a Warning If anyone Preach any other Gospel they are Accursed and we are to have nothing to do with them
So To test the Spirit To See whether it is Of God Lets see if you Can answer One question Plainly What is the Gospel according to you?
That's a truly idiotic position - and one that would get you laughed out of any Greek class..I don't see any problem with the understanding that Polycarp was being redundant.
On WHO?? On WHICH splintered faction did the Holy Spirit rest upon??Christ's church didn't succumb to the gates of hell...its authority was merely transferred to those who stayed true to Christ in the Protestant Reformation (to those who became Protestants).
"The glory departed" from the Catholic Church and rested on those who understood doctrines that are conducive to salvation....such as salvation by grace through faith apart from works (Romans 4:5-6, Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:5-6).
Sooooo - you DON'T believe that Double-Predestination is a difference of essentials??I don't see much difference in the doctrines that are believed in by most Protestant churches...I believe that all are pretty much unified in their take on Ephesians 2:8-9...
If you are going to condemn Protestant sects it is going to have to be on the basis of doctrines that have to do with essential-to-salvation issues...such as the Catholic Church's belief that Mary is co-redeemer...that will put anyone out of heaven; because they are no longer trusting fully in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross but are assuming that they can get salvation partially from another source also. It will not cut the cake; because the God we have is a jealous God...
WHO was Jesus talking to in John 15??So then, wouldn't it be true that things that aren't given in parables are given as promised to any of those who are able to obtain those promises by faith? Consider that John 15:20 is one such verse and that the principle applies to those to whom it is given...anyone who is counted as a genuine disciple of Jesus.
On WHO?? On WHICH splintered faction did the Holy Spirit rest upon??
This is a truly asinine supposition unless you can show me ONE Body of like-minded believers (2 Thess. 2:15) on whom the Holy Spirit "transferred" Christs's Authority.
Sooooo - you DON'T believe that Double-Predestination is a difference of essentials??
This false Calvinist doctrine holds that God create a select FEW for salvation - and the REST of us simply to toss into Hell at His pleasure.
This renders evangelization null and void because they have been pre-selected.
Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
As for Mary being "Co-Redemptrix"<fify> - this is NOT an official teaching of the Church - so stick to the facts . . .
WHO was Jesus talking to in John 15??
It was to His INNER CIRCLE at the Last Supper. It was NOT to the crowds.
You never read these verses CONTEXT and that's at the root of your confusion.
Paul answered that question in Rom. 1:6 when he said:
“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile”
Now - what does he mean by "believe"? He certainly doesn't mean mere intellectual assent because even the DEMONS have that (James 2:19). No - the Scriptures tell us that to truly "believe" in Christ means
- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- Suffering with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2).
To "believe" in Christ for a truly born again person is to surrender to Christ and His will.
His will is that you listen to His Church - or you reject Him and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16, Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).
We are not to go to the saints or Mary or a priest to get to God...Jesus Christ is the singular mediator there.Yup - so what's your point?
And you're dishonest - which is the hallmark of ALL anti-Catholics.You Have a Serious Problem With Context, You think the Good News is that you have to sell everything you have and give to the poor...If I apply your standard the same measure you use, it will be measured to you you fail your own standard, James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So by your own words You condemn yourself as you see with Your last sentence I underlined it is just a straight-up lie the scriptures you used don't say what your words did
So you present a False Gospel condemn yourself And you Lie Any Guesses what that looks like? your false Version Of Your Church looks like Satans version and matches the Characteristics, This Is the First Discussion I have had with Roman Catholics It's amazing How Blind And hypocritical you are and can't see it, Think about it serious and Apply your standards to yourself will you live up to it or Fail?