BARNEY BRIGHT
Well-Known Member
Oh give me a break! You care more about Sam Rutherford's opinions than you do about 2000 years of consistent teaching. No legitimate council ever deviated from what Jesus said. What is asserted is never proven.
Oh, ok tell me that these are not scriptural texts: John 6:38- “I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.” Is this Sam Rutherford opinion? Question, If Jesus is God, who sent him down from heaven? And why did Jesus yield to the will of that person?
Another text: John 7:16 Jesus said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." Is this text Sam Rutherford opinion too. Some other questions,
Did Jesus teach his own ideas? He said that his teachings belong to the One who sent him didn't he? That makes me wonder: ‘Who sent Jesus? And who gave him the truths he taught?’ Wouldn’t that One be greater than Jesus? After all, isn't the sender superior to the one who is sent?
Still another text, John 14:28: “You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” is this text also Sam Rutherford opinion? Based on that verse, how would you say Jesus viewed himself in relation to the Father? It looks to me Jesus view God as his superior?
Another text, Matthew 28:18 says: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” Is this also Sam Rutherford opinion?
Did Jesus say in this scripture that he always had all authority? I ask because I've always believed that God has always had all authority. So why did Jesus say all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him? The True God has always had all authority in heaven and on Earth? Since people are saying Jesus is God but Jesus said he was given more authority who gave him more authority? God? But people are saying Jesus is God.
You know if I wanted to teach someone that two people are equal, to illustrate that point I think I would use the illustration of Two brothers? Perhaps identical twins? But Jesus referred to God as the Father and to himself as the Son. It seems to me the message Jesus is conveying is that he is describing one individual as being older and having more authority than himself.
If a person can come up with such a fitting illustration of equality, that of brothers or twins. I certainly believe if Jesus really was God, I think that Jesus, as the Great Teacher, would have thought of the same comparison or an even clearer example of equality if that was what Jesus was teaching. But, instead, he used the terms “Father” and “Son” to describe his relationship with God, not one of equality.
If Jesus truly is God, I would expect that Jesus’ disciples would have plainly said so.
Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we read of their teaching that. On the contrary, notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the apostle Paul, wrote. At Philippians 2:9, he describes what God did after Jesus’ death and resurrection: “God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.” According to this verse, God exalted him to a superior position?
But if Jesus is equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus above God? How could anyone be superior to God?