another AMEN !If anyone were actually doing signs and wonders, no announcement would be needed.
Much love!
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another AMEN !If anyone were actually doing signs and wonders, no announcement would be needed.
Much love!
I'm going to do that with the Word of God, not with personal annecdotes. If you don't believe God, why would you believe me? And why would I consider my testimony more meaningful, more effective than God's?If someone asks you because they believe the gifts have ceased, wouldn't you want to stand up for the Word of God that it is TRUE? Especially to those of little faith who mock the Word of God.
Is there a Spirt inspired recording of this?
If you want to know what I believe just read MacArthur's book Charismatic Chaos. I'm 100% behind his exegesis on the topic.
I'm going to do that with the Word of God, not with personal annecdotes. If you don't believe God, why would you believe me? And why would I consider my testimony more meaningful, more effective than God's?
If you don't accept spiritual giftedness based on your understanding of the Bible, why would you believe I have spiritual gifts just because I say so?
I'm not saying there can't be a time or place, just the same, I'll stick with what I said, what gifts I may or may not have are God's business, not mine. I'm simply to serve trusting Him.
Much love!
The question came up about how freely we announce our "spiritual gifts".
Why would we do it?
I mean, if I think I have such and such gift, where is the importance of announcing that to you?
To me, spiritual gifts are God's business, not ours. To me, our gifts are so that we can share God's love through practical help to someone in need with whom we are in contact.
Why would we go beyond the use of our gifts, into a proclamation of what gift(s) I think I have?
Much love!
Why are the apostles apostles? They were WITNESSES. I also am a witness that the gifts of the Spirit are real. Otherwise, the Bible is just a nice story. What if the apostles just kept their truth to themselves. Those with the Spirit are bold to tell the truth that God is real, His covenant is real, and His gifts are real.
Right.Come on, Marks. If you're going to join this conversation, please come in at speed, LoL. You honestly think no one was proclaiming they had a spiritual gift during New Testament times? Maybe it was all "hush, hush" or something. I know, only the apostles could whisper if so and so actually had a gift or not, Lol. But the command of the NT was, "DON'T TELL ANYBODY, WHATEVER YOU DO!!" LoL.
Well I receive fully all miracles and signs recorded in Scripture, outside of this people can claim anything. It would be very risky in my opinion to accredit any current miraculous gifts asides salvation, outside of Scripture to the Holy Spirit, because I see blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as accrediting things to God that didn’t come out from Him.No. After 70 A.D., no one in the church ever uttered anything that was Spirit-inspired ever again. No one has to this day. But thanks for asking, Lol.
Shall we exalt ourselves?Come on, Marks. If you're going to join this conversation, please come in at speed, LoL. You honestly think no one was proclaiming they had a spiritual gift during New Testament times? Maybe it was all "hush, hush" or something. I know, only the apostles could whisper if so and so actually had a gift or not, Lol. But the command of the NT was, "DON'T TELL ANYBODY, WHATEVER YOU DO!!" LoL.
Singular "tongue." (Pagan or demonic).
Plural "tongues" from God.
2 For he who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
4 He who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) pray that he may interpret.
he does not use demonic in his commentary as you claim above I have it sitting on my lap opened to 1 cor 14.@Hidden In Him You've got to see this, MacArthur is hysterical!
You are? The blind leading the blind. Let's see. MacArthur on 1 Cor. 14 from memory. I have all his books against the subject.
MacArthur on the plural and singular of how Paul uses the word tongue/tongues.
Singular "tongue." (Pagan or demonic).
Plural "tongues" from God.
2 For he who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
4 He who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic) pray that he may interpret.
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue (Pagan or demonic), has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue (Pagan or demonic), let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
Well I receive fully all miracles and signs recorded in Scripture, outside of this people can claim anything. It would be very risky in my opinion to accredit anything outside of Scripture to the Holy Spirit, because I see blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as accrediting things to God that didn’t come out from Him.
Acts 5:12 KJV
[12] And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
The apostles.
Definitely not claiming divine writing.Then stop posting, unless what you post is Holy Writ.
Shall we exalt ourselves?
And what if we're actually wrong?
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Come on, HIH, if we're going to have a conversation . . . Do you honestly think I'm into all this drama?
Much love!
Definitely not claiming divine writing.
If God is for you then who can be againstYou bring on the "drama" LoL when you insinuate that anyone who ever professed to have a spiritual gift was "exalting himself."
You are smarter than to post nonsense like that. What do you expect me to say? "Amen!"
I take threads on this subject seriously.
@Waiting on him Great quote from Romans 8. (I'm a cessationist myself...)If God is for you then who can be against
I honestly didn’t think anyone really considered anything I have to say.Well I'm not either, and that's what I'm saying. Just because what you post isn't "Holy Writ" doesn't mean it is invalid, and should be dismissed out of hand as untrustworthy. Should not the same be said of the writings of people who lived in the generations after the apostles went on to be with the Lord?
I honestly didn’t think anyone really considered anything I have to say.