All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

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justbyfaith

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God laid down His life or the human son of God did that?

The son of God described God as a Spirit in John 4:24.

This would mean that Jesus was made God after resurrecting, then we can say that God once died.

This is the sensible understanding of the Bible.(Creation killing creation).
Jesus was the Spirit of God come in flesh; while He walked the earth (Isaiah 57:15, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7, Isaiah 9:6, John 4:24).
 

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Actually, certain words in John 3:34 are in italics in my (kjv) Bible.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.


Which implies we are given the Spirit by measure.
 

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No trinitarian uses emanations that is gnostic language and @justbyfaith is correct

1) you have no clue what all Trinitarians use
2) what is the Holy Spirit if not an emanation from the Godhead ?

Explain to me how the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father" if it is not an emanation from the Father. "And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father"

Not sure about the church you go to but every one I have ever attended recites the Nicene Creed.

And yes .. some the language between Gnostism and other forms of Christianity was similar - because the two concepts are similar.

This however does not turn the Trinity into Gnostism.. Both Christianity and Gnostism use the term "Godhead" - that does not mean the Gnostic "Godhead" is the same as the Trinity "Godhead".
 

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I beg to differ....


4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Jesus was led by the spirit to the Testing .. so what - this does not mean that Jesus had access to the HS during testing. In any case - this was just a guess on my part.

What you are avoiding is answering the Question ... Did Satan know that it was God that was sent to him for Testing .. by God :)
 

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Make up your mind. Was Jesus good or not. I say He was and is!
He was made good by the Col 2:9 effect on his spirit body after resurrecting.

Prior to that, he was vulnerable to failure, but survived somehow....he was human and knew it.

That is why he shrugged off the man that called him good, and said ONLY God is good.
 

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My kjv does not say that the way to life is difficult...it says it is strait.

Jesus said, My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

The KJV is a really bad translation - at least the old version but - this matters not. The KJV indeed says the way to life is difficult.

Easier to go through the eye of a needle .. Never heard that one ? In any case .. what is your point .. What does the above blather have to do with "Sola Fide" .. and your claim that this is the Narrow gate.
 

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Yes .. as in James 2 - aka "Sola Fide" - killer .. Even demons know that God is one.

and yes - Satan's job is the Tester - the Advocate - but he does not exceed God's will - least not in the OT -

And Yes .. as in Matt 25 - Jesus will judge at the end of days .. separate the sheep from the goats - on the basis of "the will of the Father" as described in his Most famous Sermon .. Matt 5-7 and "now all who call "Lord Lord" "Jesus Jesus" make it through the gates - and beware of the Religious leaders ... trumpeting false doctrine - like that that led to the 1000 yrs of horror ..

but I digress - "those prophesying in my name --- Get out" - usurping the position of "the Logos" that would be = claiming the speak Gods word through the Holy Spirit ... dat be heretical to most of Christianity ... but he "Chosen Few" persist.

but back to this separation process .. Majority thinks some combo of Faith and works ... the Chosen ones are strictly Sola Fide .. hard when there is no clear path .. which one to choose ?
I have no idea what sola Fide is . But i say feast on those bibles daily and get well learned in that doctrine .
For many decievers now abound in many places . Heed the Spirit and not the flesh . And rejoice in the Glorious Lord .
 

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2) what is the Holy Spirit if not an emanation from the Godhead ?

The Holy Spirit is God Himself (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).

Explain to me how the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father" if it is not an emanation from the Father.

The Holy Ghost's origins can be found in Luke 23:46. He was released back to the Father to dwell side-by-side with Him (John 1:1). He was always the same Spirit as the Father (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11; John 4:23-24, John 7:39, Ephesians 4:4).

He proceeds from the Father because He is the Spirit of Jesus; and the Father, as He was released from Jesus' body back into eternity to exist side-by-side with the Father.

This however does not turn the Trinity into Gnostism.

Of course it doesn't. The Trinity is sound doctrine; and gnosticism is heresy.
 

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Jesus was led by the spirit to the Testing .. so what - this does not mean that Jesus had access to the HS during testing. In any case - this was just a guess on my part.

What you are avoiding is answering the Question ... Did Satan know that it was God that was sent to him for Testing .. by God :)
Satan knew that God was inside His only begotten son, then Satan got an earful from the son's inner God.
 

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I have no idea what sola Fide is . But i say feast on those bibles daily and get well learned in that doctrine .
For many decievers now abound in many places . Heed the Spirit and not the flesh . And rejoice in the Glorious Lord .

Sola Fide is the doctrine of Salvation by "Faith Alone" introduced by Martin Luther.
 

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Jesus was led by the spirit to the Testing .. so what - this does not mean that Jesus had access to the HS during testing. In any case - this was just a guess on my part.

Of course Jesus had access to the Spirit...He is the Spirit from the moment of conception (Luke 1:35).

What you are avoiding is answering the Question ... Did Satan know that it was God that was sent to him for Testing .. by God :)

The demons knew that Jesus was the Son of God, so why wouldn't the devil also be aware of the same?

I'm sure the devil knows scripture better than you and me...so he understood that, Jesus being the son that was given, meant that He was also "The everlasting Father" (Isaiah 9:6).
 

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Yes, Jesus was asking him, Are you acknowledging my Deity or is it something else?
Just explain this to me in your understanding of it, because it looks like Jesus is saying God alone is good here, not himself...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
 

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Yes, Jesus was asking him, Are you acknowledging my Deity or is it something else?

Just explain this to me in your understanding of it, because it looks like Jesus is saying God alone is good here, not himself...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Jesus was asking him, Are you acknowledging my Deity or is it something else?
 
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