Perpetual virginity of Mary!

[Grailhunter]

why?
Why does it have to be in the Bible?
The Bible says we believe the apostles. Acts 2:42

The Apostles did not talk about Purgatory.

the word Trinity is not there either but both doctrines are,

There are better scriptures than this to support your side of this.
Christ explained what the "oneness" thing was in detail and history explains why they came up with the "oneness" formula for the Trinity.

 

[Renniks]

Never said that Heaven did not exist in the OT, the point was that it became a possible destination with complete Salvation in and only in the NT.
while we are looking at the OT....
1. Find where God offered Heaven to those good Jews and where He threatened Hell for the bad Jews.
2. Find where God was warning people about Satan the devil or talked about devils or demons at all.
3. Yeshua and Yahweh talked to each other in the NT. Asked each other questions. Find that in the OT.
4. Find the name Yeshua as a God or a God called Son of God in the OT.
5. Find where a God named Yeshua....named Yeshua specifically did anything in the OT.
6. Find where a God named Yeshua....talked to anyone in the OT.
7. Find where the OT talks about a God named Yeshua.

Why?
The New testament interprets the old.
"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

 

[theefaith]

Why?
The New testament interprets the old.
"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

faith and works


James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

 

[Grailhunter]

Why?
The New testament interprets the old.
"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

SO...

 

[Renniks]

SO...

So you just proved my point. Not everything was revealed in the OT.
It wasn't that people didn't go to heaven, it was just not called " heaven"

 

[Grailhunter]

So you just proved my point. Not everything was revealed in the OT.
It wasn't that people didn't go to heaven, it was just not called " heaven"

Well that is my favorite kind of religion, sky is the limit, imagination in gear. Do you got one with UFO's and Sea Monsters.

 

[Renniks]

Well that is my favorite kind of religion, sky is the limit, imagination in gear. Do you got one with UFO's and Sea Monsters.

Now I have no idea what you're talking about...I'm sure you have heard of progressive revelation?

 

[theefaith]

I only divine revelation

 

[Renniks]

I only divine revelation

I only human being.

 

[Grailhunter]

Now I have no idea what you're talking about...I'm sure you have heard of progressive revelation?

lol As I said, most false beliefs do little harm. Some entertain. Some are scary. Whatever floats your boat. Thatz why they call it beliefs not facts.

 

[theefaith]

The truth must be revealed by God! Jude 1:3

 

[Grailhunter]

The truth must be revealed by God! Jude 1:3

God must be playing tricks on people because there are over 30,000 Christian religions. Does God use a dart board for revealing that stuff.

 

[theefaith]

What? there is only one? One true church founded by Jesus Christ!

Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

The nature of authority is hierarchy!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)


Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

 

[Grailhunter]

What? there is only one? One true church founded by Jesus Christ!

Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

The nature of authority is hierarchy!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)


Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

You are running on the contention that Peter is the founder of the Catholic Church, before the term Catholic was coined. At the time of Peter the Church was called the Way.

Now don't get me wrong I love the Catholics.....I just know the history of their false beliefs. But am ok with you believing them. I attend Catholic mass at times and make a special effort go to their activities. So don't think I don't like Catholics.

 

[theefaith]

You can call it whatever you like, Catholic is in the gospels, Jn 3:16 Jn 1:29 the world or universal or catholic from the Greek

no Peter did not found the church

matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

[theefaith]

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!

and it applies to their successors

 

[Grailhunter]

Catholic is in the gospels

You need to know your history a little better.
The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD).
And that was looking forward to organizing that, not yet established....the various churches...the 7 churches of Asia Minor were not in union, not in agreement, and held different text sacred and different beliefs....the Ecumenical Councils were an on going argument...arguments that ended in death sometimes.
It was not until Emperor Constantine and the Ecumenical Councils that "The Church" began to form and unify. It was not until Emperor Constantine commanded that they select texts for the first bound Bible, that, that belief system was agreed upon. Known as the 50 Bibles of Constantine.

 

[theefaith]

The one true church was found by Christ on Peter and the apostles
Matt 16:18

One
Holy
Catholic (universal)
Apostolic

Jn 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be onefold, and one shepherd.

 

[Renniks]

The one true church was found by Christ on Peter and the apostles
Matt 16:18

One
Holy
Catholic (universal)
Apostolic

Jn 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be onefold, and one shepherd.

The church was built on Peter's confession that Jesus was the Christ, the son of God, not on Peter

 

[Spurgeon's Girl]

why?
Why does it have to be in the Bible?
The Bible says we believe the apostles. Acts 2:42

the word Trinity is not there either but both doctrines are, 1 cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

there are two judgements one particular or personal then the general on judgement day

Yes, it does have to be in the Bible. Jesus didn't tell the disciples to make things up when he was telling them of the Great Commission. None of his teachings indicate a mythical place called purgatory.

If you choose to use 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, then you will have to evaluate it word-for-word. The verse doesn't say believers pass through fire, only their works do.