What If Real Religious Persecution Came To The U.S.?

[CharismaticLady]

Good night, QT.

We'll know within the next 2 years if you are right, (probably sooner) because that is probably when the Antichrist will be revealed.

Let's see if ALL Christians will be targeted, including Catholics, or not.

 

[quietthinker]

I will be on the side of Christ, because that is what it will be about, not Sunday. Show me in the Bible your proof.

of course it will be Jesus that the issue is about.....Satan, the master strategist motivates his agents by using force (through legislation) to disobedience to God's Commandments. They have and will attempt to change God's Law while concealing it from the understanding of the masses.

Consider the current change of calendars globally where the numbering of the days of the week have and are being altered (different nations have completed this change already). They have/are moving the 1st day of the week and numbering it as the 7th...This has been and is being done without consulting the people. I assure you, this is not arbitrary but well planned to accomodate what is soon coming.

 

[Jay Ross]

Good night, QT.

We'll know within the next 2 years if you are right, (probably sooner) because that is probably when the Antichrist will be revealed.

Let's see if ALL Christians will be targeted, including Catholics, or not.

OH! Did not Jesus say that Satan has to go into the Bottomless pit in Luke 19 first and in Revelations we are told that he will be in there for 1,000 years, so if you are looking for the AC within the next two or so years you are sadly mistaken. Keep moving on, there is nothing to see at present.

 

[quietthinker]

OH! Did not Jesus say that Satan has to go into the Bottomless pit in Luke 19 first and in Revelations we are told that he will be in there for 1,000 years, so if you are looking for the AC within the next two or so years you are sadly mistaken. Keep moving on, there is nothing to see at present.

The antichrist is right under your nose JR.....you do not see it because your expectation is amiss.

 

[BarneyFife]

So, if I understand your hypothetical scenario: if there is a natural disaster that destroys our infrastructure and many people die, would worship on a particular day be the focus of persecution? I still disagree that the day of the week would become so important. However, I do agree that people would focus on basic survival needs. Stealing food would become more commonplace, for instance. Killing to defend oneself would also become much more prevalent. The basic instincts to survive would be exhibited by all, including the vast majority of Christians. Christians would regularly become violent to protect their home and their children, for instance. Real Christians, of course, would not be stealing food to feed their families - they would trust God, like the "birds of the air." Real Christians would not become violent to protect their homes and their children - real Christians would not "resist evil". In your scenario, I do not see how Christians become the focus of persecution. Unless, the worldly people blamed the Christians for the catastrophes.

What I'm suggesting is that if the devastation were vast enough, the plan to survive could be very specific and could center on worship. If you don't buy the Sabbath variation, you don't buy it. I believe it's already in the works. These two videos about the situation are very short.

And before people start howling, both the speaker and I believe that most Catholics are fine Christian people. Even the Pope himself appears to care very much for people. I don't know other people's hearts.

 

[CharismaticLady]

OH! Did not Jesus say that Satan has to go into the Bottomless pit in Luke 19 first and in Revelations we are told that he will be in there for 1,000 years, so if you are looking for the AC within the next two or so years you are sadly mistaken. Keep moving on, there is nothing to see at present.

What makes you so sure? Do you believe Jesus is coming again or not? Well, the Antichrist must be revealed first. You know that don't you? Of course, you do. And Satan won't be going into the BP until Jesus gets here, not the Antichrist.

 

[Nancy]

I find the emphasis on the wrong thing, a day over a person. The Antichrist and his followers are going to demand we worship him, and we want to worship Jesus Christ. Do you really think the followers of the Antichrist will care what day we worship Jesus on? Honestly, will we be beheaded for a battle over a Christian issue of days, or WHO we worship between the Antichrist and Jesus?

cc: @BarnyFife , @Jay Ross, and @Backlit

"or WHO we worship between the Antichrist and Jesus?"
Yep, allegiance to one or the other.

I'd imagine that by then there will be underground gatherings of Christians...?

 

[MattMooradian]

If you don't buy the Sabbath variation, you don't buy it. I believe it's already in the works.

So, the Catholic church or the Pope will institute a mandatory 'worship on Sunday' law? Catholic church is no longer that powerful, nobody (except Catholics) would even care if the Pope instituted such a law. The dividing of the wheat from the chaff is more likely to be about evil, the resistance of evil, and the use of violence to resist evil. Be ready to turn the other cheek or be outed as antichristian by the Holy Ghost.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Who one worships is determined by who and what one obeys.....not who one says they worship.

'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:22-23

That verse will not be said to me, and it won't be said to you. But there are Reformationists that it will be said to. QT, we are on the same side, and both keep the 4th commandment. You just follow the person and the day, and I follow the person and love my neighbor.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"or WHO we worship between the Antichrist and Jesus?"
Yep, allegiance to one or the other.

I'd imagine that by then there will be underground gatherings of Christians...?

I'm glad I don't have a smartphone, or a monitor with a camera on it, and drive an old car!

 

[Nancy]

I'm glad I don't have a smartphone, or a monitor with a camera on it, and drive an old car!

Oh yeah. They would not be allowed ...except for the old car!

 

[BarneyFife]

So, the Catholic church or the Pope will institute a mandatory 'worship on Sunday' law? Catholic church is no longer that powerful, nobody (except Catholics) would even care if the Pope instituted such a law.

The OP was specific about the law being passed first in the U.S. Did you even read it? You seem to be misrepresenting it over and over again.

The Pope is the head of the Vatican, which is a sovereign state. How could he pass a law in the U.S.? However, if you think he has little influence on the leaders of the world, you just haven't been watching the news concerning the Pope.
Do you know how many heads of state attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II? -95-
And Francis addressed a joint session of the United States Congress. That's both the Lower House and the Senate at the same time.

Who do you think the world would turn to for moral guidance in a massively devastating worldwide crisis? The Dali Lama? They're going to turn to the choice of the nation that spends $720 billion per year for defense. Who do you think that would be? Kenneth Copeland? He's the Pope's biggest fan among evangelical TV stars.

The dividing of the wheat from the chaff is more likely to be about evil, the resistance of evil, and the use of violence to resist evil.

Scripture support? Sounds like an opinion. I highly doubt we have similar views on Eschatology.

Be ready to turn the other cheek or be outed as antichristian by the Holy Ghost.

That's very clever, but the discussion is not about Christian conduct. The standards for that don't change in a crisis. If anything, they're more important then.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The OP was specific about the law being passed first in the U.S. Did you even read it? You seem to be misrepresenting it over and over again.

The Pope is the head of the Vatican, which is a sovereign state. How could he pass a law in the U.S.? However, if you think he has little influence on the leaders of the world, you just haven't been watching the news concerning the Pope.
Do you know how many heads of state attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II? -95-
And Francis addressed a joint session of the United States Congress. That's both the Lower House and the Senate at the same time.

Who do you think the world would turn to for moral guidance in a massively devastating worldwide crisis? The Dali Lama? They're going to turn to the choice of the nation that spends $720 billion per year for defense. Who do you think that would be? Kenneth Copeland? He's the Pope's biggest fan among evangelical TV stars.
Scripture support? Sounds like an opinion. I highly doubt we have similar views on Eschatology.
That's very clever, but the discussion is not about Christian conduct. The standards for that don't change in a crisis. If anything, they're more important then.

Did you know that in 1139 AD there was a man called St. Malachy that had a "vision" of all the popes from then on to the end of time, and described each one, and it turned out to be accurate. There were 112 popes. We are now at the last pope.

To me that is interesting in light of there are things we know are about to happen that indicates that the GT will start with the revealing of the Antichrist in about 18 months, and the return of Christ in less than 10 years. So - Hebrews 10:25!

 

[DPMartin]

Scenario:

A massive, catastrophic disaster brought about by natural causes has struck the earth. Hundreds of millions have been killed or severely injured and every part of the world has been impacted to no small degree. The powers that be are now united, as will often happen under these circumstances, and have reached the consensus that we have angered God to a level we never thought possible, and that some gesture of repentance must be made to Him. Since it has been suggested before by the religious figures of the west so many times and is practical enough to be feasible a national Sunday law is urged and passed, but the disaster and suffering continue, so the rest of the world decides to follow the lead of the U.S. and now the observance of Sunday as a day of rest and worship is world-wide. This "revival" produces very little real reformation. Hearts are not truly changed. It is very quickly apparent that some religious minorities will not cooperate with the new laws and continue to keep a different day of rest and worship. Some people have reported miracles in response to the new laws and a few have even been caught on camera. Yet the minorities remain stubborn in their positions. A call goes out to prescribe severe penalties against the offenders who refuse to violate their consciences, while the dead and dying steadily increase.

Upon what side of the issue would you find yourself?

this sounds more like a brain fart then anything else.

 

[CharismaticLady]

this sounds more like a brain fart then anything else.

Do and say unto others what you would have them say, or not say, unto you.

Everyone, Jesus is coming soon! Let's stop sinning against each other. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[DPMartin]

Do and say unto others what you would have them say, or not say, unto you.

Everyone, Jesus is coming soon! Let's stop sinning against each other. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

no were not, assumptions are almost never true, and certainly not based on knowledge. if a brain fart is a brain fart then why would telling the truth of the matter be a sin? feel good estragon isn't Christ like? it may be you like, but not Christ like.

 

[CharismaticLady]

no were not, assumptions are almost never true, and certainly not based on knowledge. if a brain fart is a brain fart then why would telling the truth of the matter be a sin? feel good estragon isn't Christ like? it may be you like, but not Christ like.

Being vulgar is a sin.

 

[BarneyFife]

this sounds more like a brain fart then anything else.

You mean like the graffiti you put at the bottom of every one of your posts. Thanks for stopping by to troll a little (hopefully).

 

[BarneyFife]

feel good estragon isn't Christ like

Did you mean estrogen? Really? You're going there?

 

[marks]

Scenario:

A massive, catastrophic disaster brought about by natural causes has struck the earth. Hundreds of millions have been killed or severely injured and every part of the world has been impacted to no small degree. The powers that be are now united, as will often happen under these circumstances, and have reached the consensus that we have angered God to a level we never thought possible, and that some gesture of repentance must be made to Him. Since it has been suggested before by the religious figures of the west so many times and is practical enough to be feasible a national Sunday law is urged and passed, but the disaster and suffering continue, so the rest of the world decides to follow the lead of the U.S. and now the observance of Sunday as a day of rest and worship is world-wide. This "revival" produces very little real reformation. Hearts are not truly changed. It is very quickly apparent that some religious minorities will not cooperate with the new laws and continue to keep a different day of rest and worship. Some people have reported miracles in response to the new laws and a few have even been caught on camera. Yet the minorities remain stubborn in their positions. A call goes out to prescribe severe penalties against the offenders who refuse to violate their consciences, while the dead and dying steadily increase.

Upon what side of the issue would you find yourself?

Hard to imagine that happening.

The world-rulers passing laws to "appease God"?

It's difficult to imagine such a widespread superstition that mandating Sunday worship of a God that they don't believe in would stop a natural disaster.

I think the general idea in Scripture about the catastrophes that will be striking the earth is that mankind will raise it's collective fist to the heavens and defy God in every way imaginable.

I think the mandate will be to worship the beast, and its image.

Much love!