The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[marks]

When we are born again, the divine nature hates sin, so sin is no longer the problem. It is fruit that is the issue.

Here is what I wrote to Christophany:

Yes, we have to mature the fruit of the Spirit. To become perfect and mature, we need to follow the steps Peter sited in 2 Peter 1:5-7. The number one fruit of the Spirit is LOVE. It is the most important fruit. And the last step in maturing to perfection is LOVE. The final goal.

Read John 15.

Talk to you later.

You didn't really answer my post . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hi EG,

You're not suggesting this is a straw man, are you?

Me? Lol

it is what it is, we will,see if she answered

 

[Eternally Grateful]

ROFL There are millions! Whole denominations are under this false doctrine.

Lol

so you can’t name one?

I want to see proof, your personal view you THINK they believe this is not an answer..

so once again, WHO BELIEVES THIS?

this seems to be turning into a normal occurrence

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You didn't really answer my post . . .

She has a habit of this,

 

[marks]

marks said: ↑

OK, thank you!

Let's put it back into it's context . . .

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

God has been teaching us regarding growing up into Christ, and building each other in love.

And then tells us to not walk as the gentiles, that you put all that off, and put on the new man.

So isn't God saying this to people who already are born again?

Much love!

When we are born again, the divine nature hates sin, so sin is no longer the problem. It is fruit that is the issue.

Here is what I wrote to Christophany:

Yes, we have to mature the fruit of the Spirit. To become perfect and mature, we need to follow the steps Peter sited in 2 Peter 1:5-7. The number one fruit of the Spirit is LOVE. It is the most important fruit. And the last step in maturing to perfection is LOVE. The final goal.

Read John 15.

Talk to you later.

Again, my question, within the context of this passage, isn't God telling those who are already a part of the body of Christ that they are to put off "concerning the former conversation" the old man, and to put on the new man?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ok so you failed to answer my question, and your answer makes no sense in light of my question

once again, can you name people who think God can not see their sin?

I know pastors who pretty much teach that way. Saying things like, "God sees you through Jesus colored glasses". Or that "we are covered in the blood". I've heard it put a number of different ways.

I think it's misguided and in error.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

I know pastors who pretty much teach that way. Saying things like, "God sees you through Jesus colored glasses". Or that "we are covered in the blood". I've heard it put a number of different ways.

I think it's misguided and in error.

Much love!

Well, Jesus is God and He makes the hidden things manifest.

 

[marks]

Well, Jesus is God and He makes the hidden things manifest.

I think life works much better to have everything out in the open between God and I. No denial. Just reality.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know pastors who pretty much teach that way. Saying things like, "God sees you through Jesus colored glasses". Or that "we are covered in the blood". I've heard it put a number of different ways.

I think it's misguided and in error.

Much love!

Her point is that god not see it,

saying sin is covered and God does not see are two different things

 

[marks]

Her point is that god not see it,

saying sin is covered and God does not see are two different things

Actually, though, I've heard pastors tell their congregations that God cannot see their sin. I think it's because they understand about our acceptance by God, but don't understand fully what justification is.

This is where I agree with @CharismaticLady in that "covering sin" is a wrong teaching, removal of sin is the correct way to think of it.

Someone mentioned that the "old man" was "covered", as it were, but what I would say is that we've been separated from our old man.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

I think life works much better to have everything out in the open between God and I. No denial. Just reality.

Much love!

Nothing gets worked out in darkness.

 

[Waiting on him]

Actually, though, I've heard pastors tell their congregations that God cannot see their sin. I think it's because they understand about our acceptance by God, but don't understand fully what justification is.

This is where I agree with @CharismaticLady in that "covering sin" is a wrong teaching, removal of sin is the correct way to think of it.

Someone mentioned that the "old man" was "covered", as it were, but what I would say is that we've been separated from our old man.

Much love!

Of course He can see our sin, it’s The only way to know what needs correcting.

 

[marks]

Nothing gets worked out in darkness.

This is really why I feel this particular topic to be so important.

If someone has the idea that God either can see their sin, or ignores their sin, then how do we square that with the fact that we can see it, and don't ignore it?

When we understand that we are no longer guilty of our sin, then we have no problems working through it with God. Instead of God being the fearful Judge, He has become our faithful Friend. We can go to Him for help without fear.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Of course He can see our sin, it’s The only way to know what needs correcting.

Amen!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually, though, I've heard pastors tell their congregations that God cannot see their sin. I think it's because they understand about our acceptance by God, but don't understand fully what justification is.

This is where I agree with @CharismaticLady in that "covering sin" is a wrong teaching, removal of sin is the correct way to think of it

Someone mentioned that the "old man" was "covered", as it were, but what I would say is that we've been separated from our old man.

Much love!

But this does not go with the symbology of the redemptive sacrifice.

where the blood was poured on the altar, and the charges against the jews were covered, hence God could not see the charges, Ie the blood of the sacrifice covered..

it’s a biblical truth we can’t deny the truth just because someone may ,is interpret it to mean we can go sin all we want, that’s on them and it does not change the truth

 

[CharismaticLady]

How Ironic! You say you have not committed any offense in thought word or deed for a long time, but yet you also say that some offenses are so unintentional you may not evenknow you committed a sin!

And you still didn't answer the question, what happens when a believer sins?

Do you think they lose their salvation? Is there repentance and resaving for them? what????????

You asked me what I would say to some Christian who sinned. I did. Trespasses are forgiven if you always forgive others. I would also say, go to bed with a clear conscience.

 

[GTW27]

A prayer that The Lord always accepts:
Holy Father, Please forgive my sins, and wash me clean.
Cover me with The Blood that You shed at Calvary upon that cross.
This I ask in Jesus Holy Name.
Amen.

This is from a man who walks in The Spirit as The Lord wills If one was to pray this simple prayer faithfully, it will bare fruit, and the answer to this thread will be known, even without a argument over words. Blessing in Christ Jesus!

 

[CharismaticLady]

How does such a doctrine find sway if it is not biblically viable?

2 Timothy 4:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

It is easy grace. The fable that grace covers all your past, present and future sins, and still go to heaven. In other words, telling people that you can have your cake and eat it too. That is behind this whole false doctrine that Jude 1:4 called turning the grace of God into licentiousness. Licentiousness is a license to sin with no consequences.

Besides "cover" there are other key phrases of the false doctrine of the Church age of Sardis in Revelation 3.

False Doctrine phrases
Cover: the blood of Jesus covers our sin, and hides our sin from the Father who cannot look upon sin.
Past, present and future sins are all forgiven
Imputed righteousness, that covers your unrighteousness.
Jesus freed us from the law and the consequences of sin.

Truth
The blood of Jesus takes away our desire to sin 1 John 3:5
Past sins are cleansed. 2 Peter 1:9
Our born again nature does righteousness. 1 John 3:7
Jesus freed us from SIN. John 8:34-36

 

[justbyfaith]

The Father does indeed look at us through rose (blood) - colored glasses; but the Holy Ghost deals with us according to our sins...He pinpoints them and brings them to our attention in order that we might be sanctified through 1 John 1:9.

From the Father's perspective, we are justified before Him....just as if we don't sin...because Jesus took the penalty for our sins and therefore we are forgiven.

The Holy Ghost is the sanctifier...He points out our sins so that we can confess them and be sanctified concerning them.

So, while the Father doesn't see our sins, the Holy Ghost does in fact deal with us according to our sins...He sees them.

 

[justbyfaith]

All one needs to do is read Romans 4 and they will see that imputed righteousness is spoken of throughout the chapter.

It seems to me that you, @CharismaticLady, are willing to cut these passages out of your Bible with a pair of scissors.

To you, it is false doctrine that is spoken of in the chapter.

But it has its place in the word of the Lord.

And also, it is life-giving doctrine when understood correctly.

I will not deny that it is possible to understand it incorrectly (2 Peter 3:15-17).