The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Was God going to "go back to work" after He rested on the seventh day?

God was GOING ON and "FINISHED ALL HIS WORKS the day The Seventh DAY GOD THUS .. BY THE SON .. IN THESE LAST DAYS .. CONCERNING SPAKE" Hebrews 4:4 and Hebrews 1:2 "in the which works --of God in Jesus Christ-- GOD THE DAY THE SEVENTH DAY RESTED".

God's work of having created Adam "man and wife .. on the Sixth Day", they, went on straight and man and wife, MARRED with THEIR sinning, and UNFINISHED what GOD "had made very good .. and it was the Sixth Day". So that Genesis 3:8-24/2:2,3 tells the FULL story of the Seventh Day Sabbath AFTER God had finished everything HE had made "in SIX days". "THEREFORE God the Seventh Day RESTED" .. "RESTED" by his work of righteousness through the Lamb of God Jesus Christ. Genesis 3:8-24/2:2,3.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Law however wherever written, being the Law-OF-GOD condemns the believer as the unbeliever IRRESPECTIVE as a standard that NO ONE keeps, ever kept or will keep. That is the BARE fact of the matter. Proud ‘believers’ of course shall beg to differ.

As believers, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

What this translates into:

No condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (John 5:24 (kjv), Romans 8:1-a).

… kept OUT of their just and rightful recompense which is the CONDEMNATION OF DEATH. That God’s Law passed away and you’re not under it, is in vain trying to fool yourself! Man cannot flee from, or, for the Word of GOD.

If you want to be under the law, be my guest. You are required to keep all of it perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If you want to be under the law, be my guest. You are required to keep all of it perfectly from conception into eternity

Not your guest for sure.

For me to live is Christ and to DIE, is GAIN-- gain of something better-- even of the Best-- of Christ! You, will you ever understand what that means? It means JESUS CHRIST IS THE LAW OF GOD, to me, God's Law which FULLY ENDORSES GOD'S SAME LAW but in Letters THAT KILL BY THE VERY SPIRIT OF THE CHRIST OF THE SAME GOD INCARNATE, who SPEAKS in SCRIPTURE in these last days AS IN TIMES PAST through the Law and Prophets.

Yes, and YOU, just to work yourself loose from the Lord Jesus’ Sabbath Day, avail all of CHRIST'S deserving perfectly from conception into eternity yourself and see where you end up...

 

[justbyfaith]

Let's look at where we find the doctrine that Jesus is the law and glean from that scripture:

Rom 9:30, What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31, But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32, Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33, As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:1, Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2, For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3, For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Here in this scripture, we do find the sober truth that Jesus is the law.

We also find the reality that Israel sought to obtain righteousness through law-keeping and missed the boat; but the Gentiles found salvation and righteousness because they sought it by faith; whereas Israel missed it because they sought it not by faith but as it were through the works of the law. In seeking to establish their own righteousness, they failed to submit to the righteousness of the Lord.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

obedience is wisdom....it comes naturally to those that have the Holy Spirit in them....the key to obedience is resting in the Gospel of Grace....that Is what leads to loving God.....

No, the obedience which the loving God leads one to against his natural inclination, is what to the wisdom of natural man is foolishness.

 

[quietthinker]

@quietthinker,

Do you feel that spending time with God must be legalistically accomplished every Saturday or can it be done for a specific amount of time every day of the week for some?

As an example....in the busy rounds of living and time slipping by you put special time aside with your wife...whatever you decide!... but it is time designated for no other purpose than for you two to hang out. Would you say that is legalistic?? I would imagine you would consider this time spent as an investment in your relationship.

God in his kindness gifted us this special time with himself.....it is an investment in our relationship with him. It has nothing to do with legality any more than not murdering someone or not stealing from them has.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Let's look at where we find the doctrine that Jesus is the law and glean from that scripture:

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:1, Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Here in this scripture, we do find the sober truth that Jesus is the law.

We also find the reality that Israel sought to obtain righteousness through law-keeping and missed the boat; but the Gentiles found salvation and righteousness because they sought it by faith; whereas Israel missed it because they sought it not by faith but as it were through the works of the law. In seeking to establish their own righteousness, they failed to submit to the righteousness of the Lord.

Yes, <<Here in this scripture, we do find the sober truth that Jesus is the law.>>

And we also find the reality that Israel sought to obtain righteousness through law-keeping and missed the boat; WHICH WAS THE OLD COVENANT OF WORKS AND SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS... NO PROBLEM, IT WAS NOT WHAT THEY OUGHT TO HAVE DONE. It was not Law of God the Law Jesus was the embodiment of.

You not even sucked this, <<but the Gentiles found salvation and righteousness because they sought it by faith>>, from your thumb; it is the doctrine of the devil directly contradicting the Holy Spirit in Holy Scripture.

<<In seeking to establish their own righteousness>> ALL AND EVERYONE <<failed to submit to the righteousness of the Lord.>>

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

As an example....in the busy rounds of living and time slipping by you to put special time aside with your wife...whatever you decide but it is time designated for no other purpose than for you two to hang out. Would you say that is legalistic?? I would imagine you would consider this time spent as an investment in your relationship.

God in his kindness gifted us this special time with himself.....it is an investment in our relationship with him. It has nothing to do with legality any more than not murdering someone or stealing from them has.

Argue like you like, this is pure pure legalism.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So yo observe the Saturday Sabbath?

What's that? Scripture? My foot.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And also, the fact that I "still sin" does not in any way preclude that a man cannot come to the place where he will "go and sin no more."

We will all find out in the Resurrection no one EVER <came to the place where he went and sinned no more>. Unless he may convince God He watched him inattentively.

 

[quietthinker]

Argue like you like, this is pure pure legalism.

Gerhard....I would suggest not to be so hasty in drawing this conclusion. As said previously, it is the time factor that identifies whether there is respect or no. You hang out with those you are drawn to. You don't hang out with who you are not drawn to.

Giving a person your time has more value than giving them anything else.

In our world of smoke and mirrors and all manner of subterfuge even the enemy wants your time......look at me, look at me is the catch cry of fashion, status and all manner of self glorification.

Creation is a marvel is it not? .....how much more is ReCreation. We are invited to not forget in the fourth Commandment.....the only one that is a reminder to that end....'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy'

Satan also has his spurious day......and homage is willingly paid though mostly ignorantly by forgetting the 7th day and remembering the 1st day.

 

[amigo de christo]

Barny, I was bothered by this post so much, that I thought I just had to ask you what you think is the "Spirit" indwelling me?

Stand on that bible sister and never look back . ITS TIME TO PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

As it is written in stone, it condemns the unbeliever as a standard that they cannot keep.

The believer is not under the law (Romans 6:14) is dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and is delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as it is written on stone (2 Corinthians 3:3).

The Law <<as it is written in stone>> NOT ONLY <<condemns the unbeliever>>, but <<as a standard that they cannot keep>>, condemns the believer, AS WELL! "There is NONE righteous and ALL LACK the Righteousness which is OF GOD" so EVERYONE "IS under the law FOR AS LONG AS HE LIVE".

Stop TWISTING GOD'S WQRD!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself." "(Matt 22:37-40).

The first 4 commandments relate to love for God, the last five relate to love for neighbor, and the middle one relates both to love for God and love for neighbor.

The ten commandments are part of the law which cannot be obeyed through human effort. There is only one way of fulfilling the ten commandments - by believing in Christ and abiding in Him:

"I am the vine;
you are the branches.
Whoever abides in me and I in him,
he it is that bears much fruit,
for apart from me you can do nothing." (John 15:5)​

"..it is God who works in you,
both to will and to work
for his good pleasure,”
(Philippians 2:13)​

This is what Jeremiah means by the law of God written on our hearts, and abiding in the vine is based on (a) faith in Jesus; and (b) submitting to Him and to His authority over us. The extent to which we obey the commandments therefore is directly related to the extent to which those of us who believe in Jesus submit to His Lordship over us - and there are many things which we can do which cause us to fail at the second part (I fail all too much - this is not preaching, just stating what I believe).

I also believe Jesus is our Sabbath, and here's why:

1. The heavens and the earth were created by and through the Word of God (Jesus). Adam was in Christ, and because the Spirit of God had breathed life into Adam, he was a living soul. He had a body and a soul, but became a living soul with eternal life when God breathed life into him - this is why Jesus said that unless we are born (Greek: gennoa) from above (Greek: anothen) we will not see the Kingdom of God. Adam died spiritually when he sinned, and we are born of the flesh into Adam and will not see the Kingdom of God unless we are born of the Spirit into the last Adam, the Son of Man, the Son of God, who is Christ the Lord.

2. Before Adam's sin there was permanent rest, because Adam was in Christ. To put it in plain English: Was God going to "go back to work" after He rested on the seventh day?

I believe Christ is our sabbath, and the ten commandments (love for God and love for neighbor) are the fruit of Christ in us if we are abiding in Him and submitting fully to His authority.

Another I-DEO-logy -- ME GOD talking talker.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Do you feel that spending time with God must be legalistically accomplished every Saturday or can it be done for a specific amount of time every day of the week for some?

Feel nice. I met a real fellow the other day, his real name really is Golightly. Nice surname, nothing to do with Scripture like what you feel like.

 

[justbyfaith]

As an example....in the busy rounds of living and time slipping by you put special time aside with your wife...whatever you decide!... but it is time designated for no other purpose than for you two to hang out. Would you say that is legalistic?? I would imagine you would consider this time spent as an investment in your relationship.

God in his kindness gifted us this special time with himself.....it is an investment in our relationship with him. It has nothing to do with legality any more than not murdering someone or not stealing from them has.

So then, it is not a legalistic requirement is what you are saying.

We are not required to rest on Saturday but can spend that time with God any day of the week.

so EVERYONE "IS under the law FOR AS LONG AS HE LIVE".

Not scriptural (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19).

 

[justbyfaith]

You not even sucked this, <<but the Gentiles found salvation and righteousness because they sought it by faith>>, from your thumb; it is the doctrine of the devil directly contradicting the Holy Spirit in Holy Scripture.

I don't know how you can say that; for it is clearly the teaching of holy scripture (Romans 9:30-10:4).

 

[quietthinker]

So then, it is not a legalistic requirement is what you are saying.
We are not required to rest on Saturday but can spend that time with God any day of the week.

Is it legalistic to not covet? or legalistic not to commit adultery or not steal? There is a dire need to get away from the idea that when one wants to do God's will/commandments that it falls into the category of being legalistic. To me this approach is none other than a poorly veiled attempt to find impunity for breaking God's requirements.

The Commandments are plain and easy to understand for the simplest of intellects. A reread of them would not go astray. The details in the fourth Commandment are specific.....there is no mystery there.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Is it legalistic to not covet? or legalistic not to commit adultery or not steal? There is a dire need to get away from the idea that when one wants to do God's will/commandments that it falls into the category of being legalistic. To me this approach is none other than a poorly veiled attempt to find impunity for breaking God's requirements.

The Commandments are plain and easy to understand for the simplest of intellects. A reread of them would not go astray. The details in the fourth Commandment are specific.....there is no mystery there.

You do what your conscience tells you to do, and don't let anyone try to talk you out of it!

 

[justbyfaith]

Is it legalistic to not covet? or legalistic not to commit adultery or not steal? There is a dire need to get away from the idea that when one wants to do God's will/commandments that it falls into the category of being legalistic. To me this approach is none other than a poorly veiled attempt to find impunity for breaking God's requirements.

The Commandments are plain and easy to understand for the simplest of intellects. A reread of them would not go astray. The details in the fourth Commandment are specific.....there is no mystery there.

Let every man be fully convinced in his own mind...the teaching of Romans 14 is that if you hold to a sabbath (Saturday) view of rest, adhere to it.

But if you hold to the idea that every day is alike, God is able also to make you stand.