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Hi.

If Jesus said his kingdom is not of the world, if He said he goes to prepare a place (somewhere else)?, why do people say the Kingdom will be here?

I know about the 'millenium' but many believe this means the time (thousands of years) when the Gospel of Christ was spread throughout the World...(This good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come).

The End - 2nd Peter 3, (The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night...everything will go up with a roar and the elements will melt in the fervant heat)?



 
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Hi.

If Jesus said his kingdom is not of the world, if He said he goes to prepare a place (somewhere else)?, why do people say the Kingdom will be here?

I know about the 'millenium' but many believe this means the time (thousands of years) when the Gospel of Christ was spread throughout the World...(This good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come).

The End - 2nd Peter 3, (The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night...everything will go up with a roar and the elements will melt in the fervant heat)?




The kingdom of God is all encompassing. All things are reconciled to God through Christ that God will be all and in all.
 

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When Christ says that in John 18:36, you have to look at the original word used for world. With the English language, world tends to mean Earth. The word in the Greek (Jesus would have spoken Aramaic obviously) is kosmos. Our English equivalent would be cosmos, but even then the connotations of that word are outer space.

However, kosmos in the Greek means the ordered world. I'd submit that the context determines its meaning, but it generally means the entire order of things. Probably the best English definition I could put on it would be time in the sense of age or eon/era. It's not just the earth as in terra firma - which would be Greek ge.

Christ is simply saying here that it's not the proper appointed time (age/era/eon) for the kingdom because it's not of this kosmos.

As for II Peter 3 (one of my favorite pages of the Bible), the word rendered elements in that translation is stoicheion. I know some suggest that this means rudiments as in the sense of sin, but I think it refers to the laws of this world. Either way, the word is for the "basic elements" or rudiments of the world. Notice a couple verses later that it talks about a new heaven and new earth. Things will be different, but the foundation that is done away with can be thought of in the context of John 18:36. This kosmos, this era of time, is done away with.
 

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Hi thanks for your replies, im new here so am just getting used to it. This (question I have) is something which iv never quite understood. (which is why I asked it)

I can understand what you are saying. Like the things on the Earth could be burnt up, but then renewed. Those who are of God remain...like in the flood.?
 

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I know about the 'millenium' but many believe this means the time (thousands of years) when the Gospel of Christ was spread throughout the World...(This good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come).




Hi Kara

I think the church helps to spread the gospel around the world but "the real thing" happens in Revelation 14:6 by the first Angel.

Thanks
Martin W.
 

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Hi.

If Jesus said his kingdom is not of the world, if He said he goes to prepare a place (somewhere else)?, why do people say the Kingdom will be here?

I know about the 'millenium' but many believe this means the time (thousands of years) when the Gospel of Christ was spread throughout the World...(This good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come).

The End - 2nd Peter 3, (The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night...everything will go up with a roar and the elements will melt in the fervant heat)?




Hi, I'm somewhat of the same mindset as hammerstone, in that the Lord was saying that the present kosmos, or world system under the government of man since Noah's day, will be replaced by the millennial reign of Christ on earth. He will rule supreme and Israel will indeed inherit the earth as Kings and Priests as He promised them.

There is a good deal of confusion how that relates to us, the Body of Christ, with many people believing and teaching that it pertains to us. It does not include the joint-body that came into being with Paul's prophetic and priestly ministry to the Gentiles. While the Kingdom on earth is not yet in existence, due to Israel being locked up right now by God in stubbornness, the Kingdom of the Son of God's love, in the heavens, is now already being inhabited by us, with us being seated with Him, Christ Jesus, in heavenly places. That's why we are told to mind the things above, not what is on the earth. It does not pertain to us, the Gentile/Jewish Body of Christ. We are a spiritual, new humanity, being prepared to take upon the image of Christ Jesus when He returns.

The faithful saints of Israel, who belong to God as His peculiar people on earth will be raised up from the dead, His Spirit written on their hearts and minds, and for a thousand years rule out of Jerusalem over the nations, bringing healing and life to all.

He has always ruled from the heavens, He has yet to rule on the earth He created. The Day(as a thousand years) of the Lord will come.

We are not designated for that realm, as Gentile believers through believing Paul's evangel of grace. We will never live in earthly bodies again once we die. Should we be living when He returns, we will be changed in the blink of an eye; deathless, spiritual beings residing in the celestial realm, not the earth.

It is a bit odd to me that for so many years I was unaware of the fact that the Lord while on earth with His disciples, said many many things that are for them only. I always assumed that what I was taught was true, that everything in the bible pertains to me. It does not. Only those things that the Lord taught Paul to give to us have any value for divine service today. All else belongs to Israel.

By believing Paul, you have entered into a race, with a heavenly prize.

fivesense
 

kara

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Hi thankyou I forgot about this forum haha.

I see what you mean that has me thinking

Theres so many different opinions I think from learning lately I would be amillenium if thats how you spell it.

The thousand years are now (it being 'thousands of years') where Christ is spread throughout the world as the Messiah and is loved and looked upon by all the world (well not all but you know what I mean)

All but the Middle East, the midlle east being the last place on earth where they are being misled. (apart from the Christians there but for them it is hard they often are killed for their belief in Christ) as modern day martyrs.

In the Bible it says people will inherit the earth etc so I couldnt understand if it said that and also said something else.

But thanks I do believe theres 2 things talked about heavenly/spiritual and earthly kingdom.

I guess its God in all, earthly and heavenly.

But thats something to think about, Paul teaching his things, it would make sense he was sent to the Gentiles. It would also explain why many dont understand what Paul is talking about.

Thanks and God bless.
 

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The 1,000 is yet to come.

The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven is spelled different and are different.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

The Kingdom of God is here and now. It is how Heaven operates. It is spiritual law that operates The Kingdom of Heaven.

There is no sickness in Heaven, No wheel chairs, and nobody that is broke in Heaven.

Jesus said...... It is the will of God that we operate the things that are in Heaven.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Jesus ends Matthew chapter six with the Answer to getting every need meet, just as they will be in Heaven.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus tells us how to operate the Kingdom of God. It starts by sowing the Word of God in our heart. This produces faith. (Rom 10:17) Or ability to recieve from God.

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.


The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical place, The new city will be a kingdom and physical, the Kingdom of God is in you, and spiritual.

Jesus Is Lord.
 

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Thanks Brother Mike, I think thats the best thing iv read tonight. I do believe the kingdom is within because things change from within you see things so different and everything becomes more spiritual than physical. Understanding. Growing. love. Faith.
 

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The 1,000 is yet to come.

The Kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven is spelled different and are different.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

The Kingdom of God is here and now. It is how Heaven operates. It is spiritual law that operates The Kingdom of Heaven.

There is no sickness in Heaven, No wheel chairs, and nobody that is broke in Heaven.

Jesus said...... It is the will of God that we operate the things that are in Heaven.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Jesus ends Matthew chapter six with the Answer to getting every need meet, just as they will be in Heaven.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus tells us how to operate the Kingdom of God. It starts by sowing the Word of God in our heart. This produces faith. (Rom 10:17) Or ability to recieve from God.

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.


The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical place, The new city will be a kingdom and physical, the Kingdom of God is in you, and spiritual.

Jesus Is Lord.

So are there more than two? Which one is Christ's kingdom? Who is the King of heaven?
 

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I don't understand why so many scoff at the fact that Jesus will literally rule on earth for 1000 years. That's an awesome event! Think about it. We will see what the earth will be like with Christ in control and ruling. I can barely wait! And I don't care if my job will be to sweep the streets of Jerusalem for the Lord. To see the people of earth coming to pay homage tot he Lord would be a dream come true for me. :)
 

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Jiggyfly, there you go asking questions you already know the answer to...........Jesus Is Lord over all things. Everything is His, and he has given them to us.

I said the Kingdom of God is in us. It allows us to operate God's will on Earth as it is in heaven, and it starts with Faith, or the Sower sows the Word.

Heaven is a place..........

You know................Jesus Is Lord of all of it.

Jesus Is Lord.
 

jiggyfly

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Jiggyfly, there you go asking questions you already know the answer to...........Jesus Is Lord over all things. Everything is His, and he has given them to us.

I said the Kingdom of God is in us. It allows us to operate God's will on Earth as it is in heaven, and it starts with Faith, or the Sower sows the Word.

Heaven is a place..........

You know................Jesus Is Lord of all of it.

Jesus Is Lord.

So then there is just one kingdom, which means the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are the same kingdom, Right?
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Brother Mike

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I suppose that would be a good way to look at it............... Jesus Is Lord over all, It is his Kingdom. If you want to get technical....

Jesus Is Lord over Heaven, The spiritual law that goverens all of our Lords kingdom is the Kingdom of God, and the New city is just that. A city that is part of the Kingdom in Which Jesus Rules............

Some don't like it that simple.......... but Jesus Is Still Lord, and it's all about him.

Jesus is Lord.
 

jiggyfly

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I suppose that would be a good way to look at it............... Jesus Is Lord over all, It is his Kingdom. If you want to get technical....

Jesus Is Lord over Heaven, The spiritual law that goverens all of our Lords kingdom is the Kingdom of God, and the New city is just that. A city that is part of the Kingdom in Which Jesus Rules............

Some don't like it that simple.......... but Jesus Is Still Lord, and it's all about him.

Jesus is Lord.

You know me, I need it kept simple Mike.
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I don't understand why so many scoff at the fact that Jesus will literally rule on earth for 1000 years. That's an awesome event! Think about it. We will see what the earth will be like with Christ in control and ruling. I can barely wait! And I don't care if my job will be to sweep the streets of Jerusalem for the Lord. To see the people of earth coming to pay homage tot he Lord would be a dream come true for me. :)
This seems to imply you would be less enthusiastic about sweeping the streets of the heavenly city.
 

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I'll sweep either one if the Lord calls me to. :D
Surely I have a first claim to this job! :)

But my point was that acceptance of the 1000 year earthly millenium concept does not indicate any greater enthusiasm to be in the Lords presence than those of who hold to a different theology.

In my case - Amillennialism
 

kara

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Hi.

Apparently Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, and other main denominations and evangelicals are Amillenium believers...I didnt know that.

But I suppose amongst that is individuals who believe in a thousand year millenium on Earth (eg my Mother who is Catholic).

I just cant see the point there is in it, I read ages ago Herbert Armstrong UCG LCG explanations. They believe there will still be money, cars, and so on and it put me off it. To me it was too Wordly I mean weve already had about 6000 years - why another thousand?

 

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Hi.

Apparently Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, and other main denominations and evangelicals are Amillenium believers...I didnt know that.

But I suppose amongst that is individuals who believe in a thousand year millenium on Earth (eg my Mother who is Catholic).

I just cant see the point there is in it, I read ages ago Herbert Armstrong UCG LCG explanations. They believe there will still be money, cars, and so on and it put me off it. To me it was too Wordly I mean weve already had about 6000 years - why another thousand?


Your statement is not necessarily true of Evangelicals. Most of them are premillennial.