The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

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...and His "freedom" :)

Yeah! Having to justify sins as not being sin and having to live in denial of things that are sin is exhausting to teh soul. They are doing exactly what Adam and eve did- hide behind fig leaves. I wish they will get their hearts opened and see the freedom we have as imperfect children of God, hopefully growing holier every day!
 
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Yeah! Having to justify sins as not being sin and having to live in denial of things that are sin is exhausting to teh soul. They are doing exactly what Adam and eve did- hide behind fig leaves. I wish they will get their hearts opened and see the freedom we have as imperfect children of God, hopefully growing holier every day!
"Having to justify sins as not being sin and having to live in denial of things that are sin is exhausting to teh soul."

Yes it is super exhausting...in mind and body as well! Why bother living a lie?
I am living proof of that. I was a pew warmer for a good 4 years in the 90's, but, left; as I was never truly saved at all,
oh sure, I walked down the isle and said some words but...I kept asking God why do I still yearn for my friends and the life I had for a very long time? I missed my friends, my life. Went back to it but, God remained in the forefront of my mind every day. The world I stepped back to (never really left to start with, in my heart that is) left me with such emptiness...it was not the same. It was totally un-fulfilling. I still floundered until a good 16-17 years and since then, what an adventure it has been to see how He has worked over the decades! And, to finally have understood what His awesome grace is all about, it is so much more than mere un merited favor...it is the power to surrender the things you once thought impossible. Back then, I was not saved, and I knew it, yet wanted to be so badly. My testimony will not be fully disclosed on this forum. There are a few I had felt ok sharing with on here but...I tread lightly :)
God Bless

 
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but I had no condescending attitude to you or CL no matter what you believe. I know my heart and what emotion is behind my responses!

On this topic on this thread I disagree with you and CL 100% and not ashamed to openly and repeatedly say so! And I have written to that disagreement with no rancor, hatred or condescension to either of you. If you wish to believe different, then you are now guilty of bearing false witness!

Well if you knew the bible you would know how wrong you are!

Actually my beliefs are based on rightly dividing those verses, which you do not do!

And how did you come by this knowledge that John meant something other than He wrote???? Did you converse with him? visit heaven and talk to him? Have a dream or vision?

If you read books and papers like you read the bible- how did you make it out of school?
 
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Though I said I would not respond to you. I am going to here alone because you are holding a false belief! I specifically said that my answers are blunt and direct! It would appear that is offensive to you. but I had no condescending attitude to you or CL no matter what you believe. I know my heart and what emotion is behind my responses!

On this topic on this thread I disagree with you and CL 100% and not ashamed to openly and repeatedly say so! And I have written to that disagreement with no rancor, hatred or condescension to either of you. If you wish to believe different, then you are now guilty of bearing false witness!

It seems to me that you are blind to the nature of your own sin.
 
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It would indicate that those who really believe in Jesus have repented of their sins and are therefore not "workers of iniquity".

This is a Perverted addition to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace....Nowhere in the KJV does it say we must “ repent of SINS to be Saved......God Promises to Save us when we “ turn to Him” ( THAT is Repentance) with Faith in Jesus Christ ( That Faith entails believing 1Cor15:1-4......... Jesus died for our sins and rose from the Grave )
“ Workers of Iniquity” are those that reject God’s way to get His Spirit in you and you do that by rejecting Paul ‘s Gospel .....
The Damned reject the Gospel —- “ it is foolishness to them”
Those “ fallen from Grace” are those , like you that ADD to the Gospel with “ Repentance”, “keeping the commandments” or anything else that requires something “ we” must do— THAT is “ religion”, and God won’t have it.....
Jesus did it ALL with His Shed Blood and does not require a “ Co-Savior”....Perverting the Gospel Of Grace always “sounds good”....... but if we must add to the Gospel with ANYTHING we are saying that although Believing the Gospel and the Shed Blood is , of course , “ ESSENTIAL” for Salvation—- it just ain’t “Adequate” in and of itself......you are “ Trampling” on the Blood Of Jesus...
Lets hope that “ falling from Grace” by adding works to the Gospel doe not equate Damnation.....no need to equivocate about those that “ teach” such perverted, false Gospels—- Galatians makes no secrets about their fate—- they are “ Accursed”..... Damned by God forever......
Don’t trifle with Paul’s Gospel , Given to Him personally by Jesus......and don’t ever spit on the Shed Blood Of Christ...Read Galatians and tell me I am wrong....it’s only six short chapters .....discover what your church did not tell you and start obeying God.....or have a Crippled Walk Of Faith—- or much, much worse...... God bless.....
( remember you heard it here—- that song you mindlessly sing on many Sundays has it correct—— it really is, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD for your Salvation.... )
 

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hopefully growing holier every day!

Ronald, we in ourselves can NEVER grow holier every day. The carnal nature is opposed to holiness.

Having to justify sins as not being sin and having to live in denial of things that are sin is exhausting to the soul.

What??? It seems you have no idea what it means to be born again, and free from all desire to sin.

see the freedom we have as imperfect children of God

Clueless! A carnal Christian is an oxymoron. A true Christian partakes of the divine nature of God, Himself. Grace is the divine power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4
 
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Ronald, we in ourselves can NEVER grow holier every day. The carnal nature is opposed to holiness.



That is pure hogwash. It seems you have no idea what it means to be born again, and free from all desire to sin.



Clueless! A carnal Christian is an oxymoron. A Christian partakes of the divine nature of God, Himself. Grace is the divine power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4


One who claims to live a life of “ Sinless Perfection” is seriously deceived......1John 1:8.....” If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH is NOT in us”

No such thing as a “ Carnal Christian? ”...... think again, Chester— Romans 7:14..” We know the trouble is not with the Law— the Law is good. The trouble is with me, for I am nothing but a human, a slave to sin.”

Some here think they are “ above” being Human....They are confused about Scriptures like Hebrews 10 because they won’t take 15 minutes to listen to God -Gifted Teachers explain simply their erroneous thinking . They use their false , Scary interpretations of certain verse as the centerpiece of their Entire Bible Doctrine and live a lie.That's their sad right to do—- Newbies don’t fall for it....*google Andrew Farley Hebrews 10” . ( hint....the “ Willful Sin” was rejecting the ONE TIME sin offering of Jesus and going back to the Temple to offer up animal sacrifices that no longer counted for ANYTHING —- it was a waste of time....there were no more “ sacrifices for sins”.Christ’s Blood Plus NOTHING would take care of any sin problems now. The Temple was still “ open for business “, but it’s time for business was over. What was once the “ antidote” for sin ( an animal sacrifice) now became a stench in the nostrils of God , a rejection of what Christ did for us at the Cross, a “ Trampling upon the Blood Of Jesus” and a down- right WILLFUL SIN if the Truth had been given to you and you chose to reject that Truth...
 
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Prove it.....with chapter and verse .....or it's pure speculation ....

1 John 1:8 speaks of indwelling sin; while 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, and 1 John 2:17 speak of practical sins.

Jeremiah 17:9 tells us that indwelling sin is to the point that each of us is as the "chief of sinners".

Indwelling sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

1 John 3:9 and 1 John 3:6 w/ 1 John 2:17 tell us that our "chief of sinners" status does not refer to practical sinning...for they tell us that we do not have to sin in the practical sense.

But 1 John 1:8 definitely teaches us that our 1 Timothy 1:15 status has to do with indwelling sin rather than practical sinning.

This is a Perverted addition to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace....Nowhere in the KJV does it say we must “ repent of SINS to be Saved.

What do we repent of when we repent, then?

I think that the holy scriptures are clear that Jesus came into the world to save us from our sins (see, for example, Matthew 1:21).

you are “ Trampling” on the Blood Of Jesus...

The blood of Jesus sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Lets hope that “ falling from Grace” by adding works to the Gospel does not equate Damnation...

Of course doing good works as a believer does not condemn you. Just look at Titus 3:8 or Titus 3:14 or Ephesians 2:10.

..no need to equivocate about those that “ teach” such perverted, false Gospels—- Galatians makes no secrets about their fate—- they are “ Accursed”..... Damned by God forever......

Are you purporting that if a man does good works he is damned for ever? Because it seems to me that that is a perversion.

A man is not saved by his works; and trusting in his works to save him will not avail for salvation (only faith in the blood of Jesus can save a man); but doing good works, in and of themselves, is not going to condemn a man.

We do good works, not to save ourselves; but because we have already been saved. Because we love the Lord Jesus for that He first loved us (Luke 7:36-50, 1 John 4:19, Romans 5:5).
 
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Are you purporting that if a man does good works he is damned for ever? Because it seems to me thatthat is a perversion.

Of course, one is not damned for “ doing Good Works” . The very reason that God put us on this Earth is to “ perform good works and Bear the burdens of others”.......
Here is where ERROR comes into play —- thinking that those two very good things “ Saves” a person or “ Keeps” Them Saved is completely ignoring the Truth Of The Gospel . Two Things Saves us —- Christ’s Blood and Our Faith. Period. The unsaved man who thinks doing good deeds will save him will remain Unsaved until he “ changes his mind” and turns to God (the True Repentance That Saves) and puts his COMPLETE TRUST in the Blood Of Christ to Save him — NOT his self- efforts and “ being good”.
The “Saved” Man who claims that , “ Of course , Jesus Saves, you knuckle-head! BUT you gotta perform Good Works to STAY Saved!The Blood Of Jesus is ESSENTIAL for Salvation—- It just ain’t ADEQUATE for Salvation.....I must Prove that I am Worthy Of Salvation by “ keeping the Commandments!” Sorry, it all sounds logical, but God does not answer to Human Logic.God's Way is Take our Faith in Christ — PLUS NOTHING — and MAKE us “ Worthy”....
If you Add to the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4, Jesus makes it Clear that we are “ Fallen From Grace” .Excellent Teachers Of God’s Word can make good arguments on both side as to whether that “ falling from Grace” means a Crippled, Shipwrecked Walk Of Faith or Damnation itself.....
Either way, the result is not pleasurable , so why gamble ? Do like God tells you to do in Heb 3 and 4.....REST in the Gospel Of Grace . Do THAT and God has a big pay-off for you! He will do His Work in and through you and you and the World will all benefit from it ! The results will be SO MUCH BETTER than you could ever have dreamed.....you Works will come from your New Heart ( got one yet? It will determine Heaven or Hell for you ) and they will occur naturally , without you even trying.....I suppose all of this is something that must be “ lived out” ...it can't really be explained , but you had better find a way to get there...until you Rest In the Gospel , the Finished Work Of The Cross , NONE of this stuff is gonna happen...God views you as being “ Disobedient” and in a State of UNBELIEF —— SERIOUS Accusations by God . You would be Wise to ask God to “ open your heart” to the understanding and believing in these matters......God Bless ....
 

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Hi there Miss C,

This post is actually about blood. And what it can and cannot do for us depending on which covenant we are in.

Blood of bulls and goats - COVERED our sins, but could not take them away. In fact, the covering only lasted one year, and those sins it had covered were still there, plus new ones.

Blood of Jesus - TAKES AWAY our sins. And not only our past sins, but takes away the carnal NATURE that produced the sin. Romans 7:13. He replaces our old carnal nature with His own Spirit that has no desire to sin. Thus, this power has given us freedom to choose righteousness naturally. Though we still have freedom to chose.
Hello again, @CharismaticLady,

The pitch on the inside and outside of the ark, protected those within the ark from the waters of judgement surrounding them. The work of the atonement, does the same. The blood shed by the Lord Jesus Christ on our behalf enables God to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

When born from above we do receive the new nature, but the old nature is not taken away, it will be with us until we die.

(Hope your fingers are better now)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Ronald, we in ourselves can NEVER grow holier every day. The carnal nature is opposed to holiness.



What??? It seems you have no idea what it means to be born again, and free from all desire to sin.



Clueless! A carnal Christian is an oxymoron. A true Christian partakes of the divine nature of God, Himself. Grace is the divine power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4
1 Corinthians was written to carnal christians full of the flesh and abusing the gifts. That is where the phrase comes from.

1 Corinthians 3

And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. 23 And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

hope this helps !!!
 
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The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover."
Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.

Part of the false doctrine is "we will always sin until we die and receive new bodies." The misunderstanding of the word "flesh" is the problem. Paul uses it equal to the old sinful carnal nature inherited from Adam. Those who believe this doctrine of demons never seek to be free, because they have been told they have to go through a life-long process of sanctification of overcoming sin. In other words, they have to become righteous in their own power of learning right from wrong. Good grief, that is what the Old Covenant was all about, but Romans 7:13 shows the problem. Sin in our nature. What is needed is a brand new spotless, powerful nature that partakes of the divine nature of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-11. This is why 2 Peter 1:9 shows that only our past sins were cleansed. 1 John 1:9 ideally needs to only happen once. Then the fruit of the Spirit grows to maturity. The result of immature fruit causes minor trespasses, but forgiving others their trespasses against us causes our Advocate to forgive our trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

Jesus' blood cleanses us of ALL sin; He takes it away, not just covers it up. He does NOT leave us with the old carnal nature of Adam? NO! Jesus is the new Adam. We become partakers of the divine nature of God that does not sin. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has FREED us from the law of sin and death. Otherwise, we are not born again prepared for heaven. The New Covenant method regarding sin, is completely different than the Old Testament COVERING of sin, like a tarp over a cesspool, leaving the vile stench below.

The question arises from those in the false doctrine. "Then do we never have to repent again?" How many times does Peter say to repent in Acts 2:38? Or in 1 John 1:9? Once. If you truly repent and truly want to be holy, Jesus gives you His powerful sinless Spirit to change your desires. That is what becoming born again is all about. He makes you partakers of the divine nature.

So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.
The key word of the most common false doctrine is "cover." Anytime I hear someone use the phrase "the blood of Jesus "covers" our sin," I know they have been taught the watered down, powerless understanding of what the blood of Jesus actually does, and lives their lives struggling with sin, but has the false assurance that God can't see their sinning, so they still have their ticket to heaven. Many in these denominations that teach "covering" attract persons who desire to still be carnal; and never become born again - actual children of God. Not just in theory, but actually. Not just imputed righteousness (another key phrase used in this false doctrine), but actually. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride, not one who is still a slave to sin.

Part of the false doctrine is "we will always sin until we die and receive new bodies." The misunderstanding of the word "flesh" is the problem. Paul uses it equal to the old sinful carnal nature inherited from Adam. Those who believe this doctrine of demons never seek to be free, because they have been told they have to go through a life-long process of sanctification of overcoming sin. In other words, they have to become righteous in their own power of learning right from wrong. Good grief, that is what the Old Covenant was all about, but Romans 7:13 shows the problem. Sin in our nature. What is needed is a brand new spotless, powerful nature that partakes of the divine nature of Christ. 2 Peter 1:2-11. This is why 2 Peter 1:9 shows that only our past sins were cleansed. 1 John 1:9 ideally needs to only happen once. Then the fruit of the Spirit grows to maturity. The result of immature fruit causes minor trespasses, but forgiving others their trespasses against us causes our Advocate to forgive our trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15

Jesus' blood cleanses us of ALL sin; He takes it away, not just covers it up. He does NOT leave us with the old carnal nature of Adam? NO! Jesus is the new Adam. We become partakers of the divine nature of God that does not sin. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has FREED us from the law of sin and death. Otherwise, we are not born again prepared for heaven. The New Covenant method regarding sin, is completely different than the Old Testament COVERING of sin, like a tarp over a cesspool, leaving the vile stench below.

The question arises from those in the false doctrine. "Then do we never have to repent again?" How many times does Peter say to repent in Acts 2:38? Or in 1 John 1:9? Once. If you truly repent and truly want to be holy, Jesus gives you His powerful sinless Spirit to change your desires. That is what becoming born again is all about. He makes you partakers of the divine nature.

So, no, once you truly repent, you shouldn't have to repent again and again as in the weak doctrine of covering our sin. You have no desire to do anything to repent of. Those desires have been TAKEN AWAY.
Hello @CharismaticLady,

You have taken issue with the word, 'imputed', yet it is a word used in Scripture isn't it? So, it is the manner in which it is used by others which you take issue with isn't it? You feel that it is abused maybe, yes? So how is it used in Scripture?

(James 2:19-26)
(Romans 4:6-12)
(Romans 4:13-25)

* It is so easy to use the word of God wrongly by disregarding the context, maybe this is what has been done for you to have such an objection to it's use.

* In regard to the old nature that we inherit from Adam, we are not told in Scripture that it is taken away. However Paul tells is in Romans 6:11-12, that we are to:-

'Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:
but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.'

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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If the truth hurts I cannot help that.

con·de·scen·sion
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I know I am not superior- but I also am not afraid to call someone out when they are wrong!

Crude? Politically Incorrect? use very blunt language? Absolutely! I do not consider me superior no do I disdain you or justby faith- so you need to come up with another term!
 

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Ronald, we in ourselves can NEVER grow holier every day. The carnal nature is opposed to holiness.



What??? It seems you have no idea what it means to be born again, and free from all desire to sin.



Clueless! A carnal Christian is an oxymoron. A true Christian partakes of the divine nature of God, Himself. Grace is the divine power of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4

Please do not go into mind reading wioth one of those 800 numbers late at night! You really suck at it!

YOu are so wrong on all three of these statements. Actually yo uare only partially right, but the part you err in makes your soundness become poisoned waters.
 

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One who claims to live a life of “ Sinless Perfection” is seriously deceived......1John 1:8.....” If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH is NOT in us”

No such thing as a “ Carnal Christian? ”...... think again, Chester— Romans 7:14..” We know the trouble is not with the Law— the Law is good. The trouble is with me, for I am nothing but a human, a slave to sin.”

Some here think they are “ above” being Human....They are confused about Scriptures like Hebrews 10 because they won’t take 15 minutes to listen to God -Gifted Teachers explain simply their erroneous thinking . They use their false , Scary interpretations of certain verse as the centerpiece of their Entire Bible Doctrine and live a lie.That's their sad right to do—- Newbies don’t fall for it....*google Andrew Farley Hebrews 10” . ( hint....the “ Willful Sin” was rejecting the ONE TIME sin offering of Jesus and going back to the Temple to offer up animal sacrifices that no longer counted for ANYTHING —- it was a waste of time....there were no more “ sacrifices for sins”.Christ’s Blood Plus NOTHING would take care of any sin problems now. The Temple was still “ open for business “, but it’s time for business was over. What was once the “ antidote” for sin ( an animal sacrifice) now became a stench in the nostrils of God , a rejection of what Christ did for us at the Cross, a “ Trampling upon the Blood Of Jesus” and a down- right WILLFUL SIN if the Truth had been given to you and you chose to reject that Truth...

"Jesus plus nothing" Church without religion :)
 

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Hi @Blood Bought 1953,

I would only point out that abiding means that we "sin not" (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17)...

And since the definition of sin is that it is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4), it means that we transgress not the law for ever if we are born of God (see also 1 John 3:9).

So it would seem that the result of being born again is a lack of committing sin, or transgressing the law.

Therefore if I do not lack committing sin (if I violate the law), it indicates that I am not born again.

Especially if abiding means salvation (see John 15:6), it would indicate that keeping the law is something that the one who is born of God will do; and if one fails to do it this would indicate that he is not born of God.

It may in fact be taking it too far to say that I must obey the law to stay saved;

However, I do believe that the statement that one who is saved will continue to have total lack of disobedience to the law, is accurate.

Again, we do not obtain our righteousness through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

We obtain it by receiving the Holy Spirit through faith (Galatians 3:14); and because we have the Spirit we bear the fruit of the Spirit; against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Through the Holy Ghost, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5). This love is practical (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6 Romans 8:4)

Therefore we have the righteousness of God which is apart from the law; which is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4)
 

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Well I do not consider my self as sinless like you do!

But I think I know my own emotions better than you despite your air of being able to read my soul!
I do not consider myself to be sinless.

I consider that I can be perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)); not sinless (1 John 1:8).
 
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