The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[CharismaticLady]

* Romans chapter seven illustrates the conflict between the two.

Hi C,

I will study the rest, but just so you know Romans 7 was not Spirit vs. law of sin, but Law of God vs. law of sin. Paul has already told us we are not under the law, which is what Romans 7 is talking about. It is Romans 8 that is Spirit vs. law of sin, and the Spirit frees us from the law of sin.

I will read the rest once I've had my coffee. It is calling to me. Can you hear it???

COFFEE, COME GET ME

 

[ChristisGod]

Did you even read my post? One sin? Come on!

yes the sin of fornication.

next....................

 

[CharismaticLady]

and it still doesn't make the person who sinned not saved, remove the leaven. if they are truly saved they will repent of their sin and return just like in this case. Jesus taught the same thing in Matthew 18

“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

hope this helps !!!

We still have free will, and can quench the Spirit, but it is a serious matter.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[justbyfaith]

1. Please let us know when it will be that you are sin-free in your flesh, and then we all can agree that you are saved.
But, if you are NOT sin-free, then you will not comment or reply about your current status in Him, as being saved from committing<fify> sin in your flesh.

Obviously no one is sinless (1 John 1:8). That we can be set free from the power of sin is evident in John 8:31-36.

The element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

I am a work in progress. It may be that, since the last time I committed a sin, I have repented and therefore will never sin again. Time will tell.

2. That is all well and good, IF "the divine nature" of His Being dwells WITHIN you.
Romans 8:8-9; 2 Peter 1:4; Revelation 3:20
However, one must come to the understanding, that ONLY by faith in His Blood are we made to be sin-less, but as long as we are in this tabernacle of flesh and blood, we are never sin-free.
Therefore, His goal is not that He shall make us to be sin-free now, but rather to save us from eternal death. THAT is how He shall save us from our sins.

We are never made sinless in this life (1 John 1:8). However, we can be made free from the power of sin (John 8:31-36).

God saves us from eternal death when He takes away our sins. You must repent in order to be saved. Him saving us from our sins means that He cleanses us from all sin so that we do not any longer commit the same sins.

3. So then, since you are NOT sin-free, by your conclusion at the moment, you perceive yourself to be unsaved!
Why? Don't you believe and trust in the sacrificial work of Jesus?
Apparently you don't!

I believe that, if I am not sin-free, that my continuing to preach sound doctrine to you will cause me to become sin-free as soon as the doctrine sinks completely down into my own spirit (see 1 Timothy 4:16).

The sacrificial work of Jesus does not only bring forgiveness of sins (as per Romans 5:9).

It also brings sanctification (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleansing (1 John 1:7).

Is it possible that, when applied, the blood of Jesus can bring forgiveness but not sanctification and cleansing?

Both are functions of applying the blood; so the answer is no.

 

[CharismaticLady]

become sin-free as soon as the doctrine sinks completely down into my own spirit (see 1 Timothy 4:16).

Amen!

I also learned extreme obedience through suffering.

The week before I got married for the second time, again to a Christian, I kept feeling in my spirit God telling me to not marry him. I humanly reasoned that that check in my spirit was just pre-wedding jitters. After all, he was a Christian. How wrong I was. And what's more, it was my fault for having to suffer for the next 12 years. If only I had told myself the truth, that it was God's command to not marry him that I had unintentionally broken. During that marriage of all manner of abuse, (yes, by a "Christian") that I would not disobey God ever again, even in the smallest thing. I shook off every temptation, running, as if, for my life. I knew God hated divorce, so I swore I would not divorce my husband even if he killed me, which he could have. At the end, he divorced me for the wife of his best friend, ending two marriages, and freeing me, at last. But still I learned obedience through suffering and that lesson has stayed with me to this day.

 

[ChristisGod]

We still have free will, and can quench the Spirit, but it is a serious matter.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

I have never claimed otherwise, its still not a loss of salvation.

a sin unto death look no further than Ananias and Sapphira in Acts below:

Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

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[justbyfaith]

I have never claimed otherwise, its still not a loss of salvation.

Unless it is speaking of spiritual death.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I have never claimed otherwise, its still not a loss of salvation.

a sin unto death look no further than Ananias and Sapphira in Acts below:

Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

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Wow! So you believe that Ananias and Sapphira will be in heaven?

Jesus sets us on the path to salvation, called being saved, but we must endure to the end. A and S didn't endure to the end. They fell off the path.

 

[ChristisGod]

I have never claimed otherwise, its still not a loss of salvation.

Wow! So you believe that Ananias and Sapphira will be in heaven?

Jesus sets us on the path to salvation, called being saved, but we must endure to the end. A and S didn't endure to the end. They fell off the path.

telling a lie once condemns a person to hell after they are saved ?

what kind of monster god do you believe in, where is grace and forgiveness fit in your theology ?

 

[charity]

Hi C,
I will study the rest, but just so you know Romans 7 was not Spirit vs. law of sin, but Law of God vs. law of sin. Paul has already told us we are not under the law, which is what Romans 7 is talking about. It is Romans 8 that is Spirit vs. law of sin, and the Spirit frees us from the law of sin.

I will read the rest once I've had my coffee. It is calling to me. Can you hear it???

COFFEE, COME GET ME

Hi @CharismaticLady

I have had my coffee, so I am ready to go.

What I did say was that Romans 7 was illustrative of the conflict between the two natures within the Child of God. Flesh in conflict with spirit. Romans 8:2, refers to the law of the spirit of life and the law of sin and death.

'Because the carnal mind (the old nature) is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh (the old nature) cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
He that raised up Christ from the dead
shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.'
(Rom 8:7-11)

Praise God!

Hope you enjoyed your cuppa as must as I enjoyed mine.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Nancy]

All you have to do is keep reading 2 more verses.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the law of sin and death.

Romans 7 is the conclusion on Paul's teaching on the law of Moses. And he has already told us that we are no longer under the law. But he wants to clarify that the law was HOLY. It was us whose nature loved sin. Our nature is what needed changing, because otherwise it was a complete struggle of Romans 7:14-25. Remember in the last chapter Paul said, "14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace." (Grace is the power of God). Now the law is written on our hearts by the Spirit so that the righteous requirements are kept by us through walking in the Spirit. We are born again. That is why Romans 8:9 says we are NOT IN THE FLESH (old carnal nature) but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God indwells us. Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Him.

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9"

Galatians 5:17, NASB: "For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please."

It just seems to me that until we become perfect, the flesh wars against the Spirit as long as we are in our fleshly bodies. I could never say I am a sinless person. I fall short, miss the mark at times. But, He will and does show and teach me more and more and, as I have fellowship with Him, what might be sin in my life that I am not even aware of! I am not sinless but I do sin less and less as I grow in Him.
I love you sister but, I think you know where I stand on the total sinlessness thing. Each day He grows me and teaches me and chastises me in areas that need to be shed.
Making a practice of sin, is of course living in sin "does not habitually do sin" The more I learn from Him, the less I sin and the more I realize the sin I do not even know was sin, He grows me in that particular area.
I think we are "being saved" and, the more we yield to Him, the less we sin, and we learn to hate sin as He does. I do read the Behold The Lamb's booklets. Have not read the one I just got as I've been doing a study on Hebrews. I LOVE my new study bible...it is so easy to understand and, there are several categories listed at the end of each book. It is a good thing for me as I need to do simple in order to "get it", lol.
xo

 

[CharismaticLady]

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9"

The actual word is "commit," not practices. That is why John continues and says "and he cannot sin," because he is born of God. There are many translations that use practices, so when I have a question, I go to the Young's Literal Translation (YLT).

KJ21
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
ASV
Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
AMP
No one who is born of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, because God’s seed [His principle of life, the essence of His righteous character] remains [permanently] in him [who is born again—who is reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose]; and he [who is born again] cannot habitually [live a life characterized by] sin, because he is born of God and longs to please Him.
AMPC
No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
BRG
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
CSB
Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because his seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
CEB
Those born from God don’t practice sin because God’s DNA remains in them. They can’t sin because they are born from God.
CJB
No one who has God as his Father keeps on sinning, because the seed planted by God remains in him. That is, he cannot continue sinning, because he has God as his Father.
CEV
God’s children cannot keep on being sinful. His life-giving power lives in them and makes them his children, so that they cannot keep on sinning.
DARBY
Whoever has been begotten of God does not practise sin, because his seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God.
DLNT
Everyone having been born from God is not doing sin— because His seed is abiding in him, and he is not able to be sinning because he has been born from God.
DRA
Whosoever is born of God, committeth not sin: for his seed abideth in him, and he can not sin, because he is born of God.
ERV
Those who are God’s children do not continue to sin, because the new life God gave them stays in them. They cannot keep sinning, because they have become children of God.
EHV
Nobody who has been born of God continues to commit sin, because God’s seed remains in him. He cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
ESV
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
ESVUK
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
EXB
·Those [L All] who are ·God’s children [L born of/begotten by God; 2:29] do not ·continue sinning [or sin], because ·the new life from God [or God’s message; or God’s Spirit; L his seed/sperm] ·remains [abides] in them. They are not able to ·go on sinning [or sin], because they ·have become children of God [L are born of/begotten by God].
GNV
Whosoever is born of God sinneth not: for his seed remaineth in him, neither can he sin, because he is born of God.
GW
Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God.
GNT
Those who are children of God do not continue to sin, for God's very nature is in them; and because God is their Father, they cannot continue to sin.
HCSB
Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
ICB
When God makes someone his child, that person does not go on sinning. The new life God gave that person stays in him. So he is not able to go on sinning, because he has become a child of God.
ISV
No one who has been born from God practices sin, because God’s seed abides in him. Indeed, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born from God.
PHILLIPS
You, my children, are younger than I am, and I don’t want you to be taken in by any clever talk just here. The man who lives a consistently good life is a good man, as surely as God is good. But the man whose life is habitually sinful is spiritually a son of the devil, for the devil is behind all sin, as he always has been. Now the Son of God came to earth with the express purpose of liquidating the devil’s activities. The man who is really God’s son does not practise sin, for God’s nature is in him, for good, and such a heredity is incapable of sin.
JUB
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
AKJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
LEB
Everyone who is fathered by God does not practice sin, because his seed resides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God.
TLB
The person who has been born into God’s family does not make a practice of sinning because now God’s life is in him; so he can’t keep on sinning, for this new life has been born into him and controls him—he has been born again.
MSG
People conceived and brought into life by God don’t make a practice of sin. How could they? God’s seed is deep within them, making them who they are. It’s not in the nature of the God-begotten to practice and parade sin. Here’s how you tell the difference between God’s children and the Devil’s children: The one who won’t practice righteous ways isn’t from God, nor is the one who won’t love brother or sister. A simple test.
MEV
Whoever has been born of God does not practice sin, for His seed remains in him. And he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
MOUNCE
No one · born of · God makes a practice of sinning, because God’s seed abides in him. · He cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of · God.
NOG
Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God.
NABRE
No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.

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[CharismaticLady]

(continued)

NASB
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
NCV
Those who are God’s children do not continue sinning, because the new life from God remains in them. They are not able to go on sinning, because they have become children of God.
NET
Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin, because God’s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God.
NIRV
Those who are God’s children will not keep on sinning. God’s very nature remains in them. They can’t go on sinning. That’s because they are God’s children.
NIV
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
NIVUK
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
NKJV
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
NLV
No person who has become a child of God keeps on sinning. This is because the Holy Spirit is in him. He cannot keep on sinning because God is his Father.
NLT
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
NMB
Whosoever is born of God does not sin, for his seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
NRSV
Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God.
NRSVA
Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God.
NRSVACE
Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God.
NRSVCE
Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God.
NTE
Everyone who is fathered by God does not go on sinning, because God’s offspring remain in him; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been fathered by God.
OJB
Everyone having been born of Hashem is not practicing chet, because His Zera makes maon in him, and he cannot abide sinning, because he is born of Hashem. [TEHILLIM 119:3]
TPT
Everyone who is truly God’s child will refuse to keep sinning because God’s seed remains within him, and he is unable to continue sinning because he has been fathered by God himself.
RGT
Whoever is born of God does not sin. For His seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is born of God.
RSV
No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.
RSVCE
No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.
TLV
No one born of God practices sin, because God’s seed remains in him. He cannot sin, because he is born of God.
VOICE
Everyone who has been born into God’s family avoids sin as a lifestyle because the genes of God’s children come from God Himself. Therefore, a child of God can’t live a life of persistent sin.
WEB
Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him, and he can’t sin, because he is born of God.
WE
No one who is God's child does wrong things, because God's life is in him. And he cannot keep on doing wrong things, because he is God's child.
WYC
Each man that is born of God, doeth not sin; for the seed of God dwelleth in him, and he may not do sin [and he may not sin], for he is born of God.
YLT
every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

 

[Nancy]

(continued)

NASB
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
NCV
Those who are God’s children do not continue sinning, because the new life from God remains in them. They are not able to go on sinning, because they have become children of God.
NET
Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin, because God’s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God.

"(1 Jn 3:4-10) Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
(5) You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
(6) No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
(7) Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
(8) the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
(9) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(10) By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."

" when John uses poieo in 1st John, it is a “present tense verb,” and this points to a continuous action. This allows for the possibility that John is speaking of more than a one-time or occasional act. This same “present tense verb” can be found in other verses as well, which show us that poieo can be a continuous action. For example, we can see this in: (Mt 7:24 – “doeth them”) (Jn 4:1 – “Jesus made”) (Jn 11:47 – “this man doeth”) (3 Jn 1:10 – “he doeth”) (Rev 13:12 – “He exerciseth”) (Rev 13:13 – “He doeth”).

What this means is that the word “practices,” (as a continuous action) can be used in these verses in 1st John. In addition, if we use “practices,” rather than “do” or “commit,” it eliminates the apparent contradiction we talked about above. Yes, all Christians sin, and are sinners, but Christians do not “PRACTICE” sin!"
What does it mean to "practice" sin (1 Jn 3:9)? - JesusAlive.cc

 

[CharismaticLady]

"(1 Jn 3:4-10) Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
(5) You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
(6) No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
(7) Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
(8) the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
(9) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(10) By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."

" when John uses poieo in 1st John, it is a “present tense verb,” and this points to a continuous action. This allows for the possibility that John is speaking of more than a one-time or occasional act. This same “present tense verb” can be found in other verses as well, which show us that poieo can be a continuous action. For example, we can see this in: (Mt 7:24 – “doeth them”) (Jn 4:1 – “Jesus made”) (Jn 11:47 – “this man doeth”) (3 Jn 1:10 – “he doeth”) (Rev 13:12 – “He exerciseth”) (Rev 13:13 – “He doeth”).

What this means is that the word “practices,” (as a continuous action) can be used in these verses in 1st John. In addition, if we use “practices,” rather than “do” or “commit,” it eliminates the apparent contradiction we talked about above. Yes, all Christians sin, and are sinners, but Christians do not “PRACTICE” sin!"
What does it mean to "practice" sin (1 Jn 3:9)? - JesusAlive.cc

Here we go again. LOL "4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness."

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Nancy
What I see also is that 1 John 3:9 is a Semitic parallelism. One part interprets the other so as to clarify if there is any confusion.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Nancy

The reason why I hate "practice" is because I can just see someone justifying their sin and saying, well I don't practice fornication, so just this once won't matter.

 

[Nancy]

Here we go again. LOL "4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness."

So, if a Christian commits one single sin then...they are hellbound? I cannot accept that. To me, the only perfect man to have ever lived on this earth is Christ. So, if committing one single sin after becoming born again...you are out? Bam, kindling for Hell with no more sacrifice available to one who sins even one time? This is very hard for me to accept and I have been trying very sincerely and very diligently to see this as you do...but, I cannot.

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy

The reason why I hate "practice" is because I can just see someone justifying their sin and saying, well I don't practice fornication, so just this once won't matter.

Well, yes...that is understandable. We should be hating sin as He does, and I do!! Yet, I can still fall short of the mark at times. It is never something that just rolls off my shoulders, ever. Sin is what I hate yet...even at times when I am judging someone in my mind...I hate it to the max! He has brought me very far from whence I have come...and I know He also did with you (you have a great testimony, BTW) So, if I believed I was a totally sinless human being I would be lying to myself.
"But if you DO sin, we have an advocate..."
xo

 

[CharismaticLady]

So, if a Christian commits one single sin then...they are hellbound? I cannot accept that. To me, the only perfect man to have ever lived on this earth is Christ. So, if committing one single sin after becoming born again...you are out? Bam, kindling for Hell with no more sacrifice available to one who sins even one time? This is very hard for me to accept and I have been trying very sincerely and very diligently to see this as you do...but, I cannot.

1 John 3:4 shows the TYPE of sin the whole chapter is talking about. Lawlessness. Sins which they actually had a written law against, like murder, stealing, bearing false witness to get someone stoned. Those are willful sins unto death. They are wicked. Sins not unto death are trespasses, which, if you are walking in the Spirit, you many commit unintentionally, but they are not unto death, and are cleansed by our Advocate when we forgive others their trespasses against us.