Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

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101G

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the very chapter before you use to defend only one person called God! Two people declared they are the first and last and besides "me" there is no God. also both are called Jehovah!
First thanks for the reply, second, your First ERROR of the Day, #1. God name is Never been, or ever had been Jehovah, you worldy men lable that false name on god.

but to business at hand, your second ERROR of the DAY, you said, "Two people declared they are the first and last and besides "me" there is no God". here is your ERROR, not two people said this, LOL, only one person, NOT TWO PEOPLE... the only One "PERSON" who said this is the "ALMIGHTY", Godhimself... "JESUS, who is LORD, all cap, and Lord, diversified in flesh.

so no, not two people, (trying to slide a second ... "Person" in there, under the disguised of the cover of the term PEOPLE... LOL. what did the scriptures say? 2 Corinthians 2:11 "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."

Those three have different roles, different functions and different levels of exaltation.
well Ronald has confirmed what I been saying before, "Those three have different roles"

different "ROLES?", yes, that's modelism in REVERSE" I knew it would come out sonner or later, modelism in REVERSE.


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How many gods are there? One.
Who is God? Father.
What is the father? Holy.
What is God? Spirit.

=The father who is the only one God is the holy spirit.

It is so easy. I don't understand why people deny it.

One God, in three persons. God the Father is not the Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit is not the Father, God the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. They are the same God in three persons. There is only one God, in three persons. To deny the Trinity is to be pagan
 

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as said, "how do you make a unity of "ONE" if you're already a ONE?", see your error now?.
You are still assuming "made":

as said, "how do you make a unity of "ONE" if you're already a ONE unity of one?", see your error now?

I'm not presenting a God Who changes. He always has been Triune.

Now watch this, our LORD said he, is ... "God himself" (see above). and notice our LORD who is God said that he is a "he", not them or they but a "he", ONE PERSON.

Remember . . . this simply expresses that you don't hold to trinity doctrine, not to some supposed flaw in the doctrine. That someone doesn't understand how God can be a unified God while being 3 Divine Persons does not mean this isn't true.

Let Us make man in Our image.

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I hate to burst your bubble but man was created in the image and likeness of God not angels. So by default angels are EXCLUDED in the WE, US and OUR likeness.

Any more simple answers to simple questions you need today ?

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hope this helps !!!
My opinion is this, I was procreated, if you ask anyone who know me as well as my father, they’ll tell you we look just alike.
 

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Why don't you accept that God is only one, why do you believe in three gods?
why don't you accept the TRUTH that God is not one person but 3 persons ? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
 

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Ad Hominem . . . Argue to the man . . . divert the discussion away from the topic by making generally negative comments about the person you are discussing with.
 

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You are still assuming "made":

as said, "how do you make a unity of "ONE" if you're already a ONE unity of one?", see your error now?

I'm not presenting a God Who changes. He always has been Triune.



Remember . . . this simply expresses that you don't hold to trinity doctrine, not to some supposed flaw in the doctrine. That someone doesn't understand how God can be a unified God while being 3 Divine Persons does not mean this isn't true.

Let Us make man in Our image.

Much love!
This scripture in my opinion is in reference to a man whom was formed from the ground by God, not like me who was procreated by a fallen man and woman.
 

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Is the Messiah the Father Himself? What does the Messiah say?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 10:32
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother

I could go on, but the point is, Was the Messiah trying to deceive us? Or was He living and speaking according to reality?

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Notice God breathes the breath of life into his nostrils and he becomes a living soul, this in my opinion never happed again till Pentecost, and this breath is in fact the Holy Spirit, which Jesus said He would return.

only in Him is life.
 

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Ronald Nolette said:
Those three have different roles, different functions and different levels of exaltation.

well Ronald has confirmed what I been saying before, "Those three have different roles"

different "ROLES?", yes, that's modelism in REVERSE"
I knew it would come out sonner or later, modelism in REVERSE.

Not so.

Modalism is change from one to another, more like what you espouse. That the Father speaks from heaven while the Son is being baptized, this shows different activities while not showing change, or modalism.

When you have the Father who becomes the Son, that's modalism. Your view appears to me to more closely resemble that.

Much love!
 

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John 14:22-23 KJV
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? [23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Now,,,,, we all know we have the Holy Spirit in us.
Can you see Him? The breath of life.
 

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One God, in three persons. God the Father is not the Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit is not the Father, God the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. They are the same God in three persons. There is only one God, in three persons. To deny the Trinity is to be pagan
no true. there is no three or two persons.

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lets understand a critical topic.

"The Arm of God"

A. Power, and B. Authority

Foundation Scripture: Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

The Revealing Scripture: Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?”.

Teaching Scripture: John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”.


this key phrase is what we will zero in on. "and that I do nothing of myself". was the Lord Jesus lying... no, but why make such a statement. many scholars, preachers, and lay Christian say see Jesus is not God but is sent to Do the Father's will, he, Jesus don't have any Authority. well lets's see if what you say is true.

Question, Jesus is God OWN ARM ... right, according to Isaiah chapter 53. now think for a second, do your own natural arm on its own just slap someone up side the head without you knowing about it? no, you must give Authority from the brain to your ARM to slap someone else head. that's a. "Authority", and, b. "Power" to do it right.

now, lets teach a heavenly concept from a earthly example. the U.S. Army. do our military just jump up on its own and start fighting against another nation on its own? no, our military is under the Authority of this Country Government. and our military is this country power to a. defend, or b. attack a declared enemy nation against this country.

now lets see this in the Bible and understand why the Lord Jesus said, "and that I do nothing of myself".

if one would read, 2 Chronicles 32, we see that the king of Assyria, Sennacherib, invaded the land of Judah, where Hezekiah was king. lets get to the heart of the matter, Hezekiah encourages his people. lets pick up the action. scripture, 2 Chronicles 32:6 "And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying,"
2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:"
2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

notice verse 8a, "With him is an arm of flesh". .... an "ARM of Flesh?. YES, an ARM of FLESH is Sennacherib ARMY, or fighting men. well God's OWN ARM, according to John 1:1 & 1:14 is in flesh. so we have an ARM of Flesh that is God Army, an Army of ONE.

just like any ARM of Flesh/Army, it's under orders or Authority, by the Government or the KING that's in Authority. and God's Arm of Flesh/Army of one, the Lord Jesus is under the Authority from the Government/King of who is in Authority.

so as with an earthly Army who is only AUTHORIZE to Fight or do the ... "WILL" of the Government or the king in Authority. likewise, our Lord Jesus as the ARM of Flesh is the Army of the Heavenly Government, the King, is under Authority, so when the Lord Jesus said, "I do nothing of myself", he's correct, because he is under orders, or Authority from the Government/King who sent him.

he is our EXAMPLE. he don't do anything on his OWN, just as any Army, it's not their own will that they do, nor do the Lord Jesus, while here on EARTH under Authority, NOT HIS WILL BUT THE WILL OF WHO SENT HIM.

now the POWER,

when the Lord Jesus was sent, or came in flesh, he was in a diverse, (shared), G2758 κενόω kenoo state in that flesh, meaning without .... "POWER". hence his BAPTISM... by John in Water to be EMPOWERED by his Spirit from on high. (note there is the diversity, Jesus diverse in flesh, and the Holy Spirit, in apperance as a dove ... the Spirit, Who is God, per John 4:24a). now God Army, as with a earthly army is equip with the the most lethal weapon, or power on earth. fleshly armies, have their guns, and ammo..... ect, but as Hezekiah said, "but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles". for our battle is not carnal, scripture, Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

this was the Jews loss, and lack of expectations of the Lord as the messiah. they was looking for a king to deliever them from physical bondgage of the Romans over them. they was ignorant, just as many today, the reason for their physical bondgage was their spiritual sin. the messiah came to release them from sin.

for it is the Spirit that empower us, just as the apostle Peter told them, Read Acts chapter 3:1-12 when him and John was coming from the temple and a lame man was healed. scripture, Acts 3:12 "And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?"

Now this is just a couple of the aspects and some of the thing our Lord said that have puzzle a many of Christian. so one need to research out theses thing, and ask God the Holy Spirit to teach you the truth. why he said he could do nothing of himself, or not my will but your will. diversidied oneness answer all and every of these type of question and or mysteries. but it takes the wisdom of God to know and understand these things.

again, "ye have not because ye ask not".


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argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Who is Jesus talking about? Himself? Or His Father?

Simplicity itself.

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Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Who is Jesus talking about? Himself? Or His Father?

Simplicity itself.

Much love!
You have to remember John saw the bridegroom receive the bride.
The Father is in Him