justbyfaith
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Did you know that in 2 Samuel 6:23 it says that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child “until” the day of her death. Does that mean she had a child AFTER she died?
The specific word, in the kjv, is "unto"
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Did you know that in 2 Samuel 6:23 it says that Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child “until” the day of her death. Does that mean she had a child AFTER she died?
Yet there is a distinct possibility that the word adelphos in Mark 6:2-4 means "brother" and that when it says "sisters" in the same passage, it means "sisters".Since you can't show me in Scripture where Mary gave birth to other children, you can't refute the other translation of that word,
Hi JBF,See Matthew 1:25.
And see Ezra 4:21 for an understanding of the word "until".
Well then, if its in the KJV I surrender. You are right, I am wrong.The specific word, in the kjv, is "unto"
Soooo when a woman becomes pregnant with Gods child...
O woman became pregnant, was pregnant, supernaturally with a Holy Thing and naturally delivered the Son of man...
the man (in this situation God) is not the spouse of that woman?
No. God is not a man. No she is not Gods wife. (No mention or implication of any Seed, marriage, intercourse) God SENT a Holy Thing, to Mary's Womb, to be revealed in the Likeness as a man, 9 months later, according to the Law of Nature.
Later- that Holy Thing revealed to be The Word of God.
Said He would be called other things.
If He is not the spouse, what is he?
God, with supernatural powers.
What is a Physician called who can cause a virgin woman to become Pregnant,
Without his Seed?
Probably Doctor, not God, and not the woman's husband.
What is she?
A useful servant, Faithful, unmarried, virgin, young, Jewish, woman, about to be married, making a child born of her, a Son of King David and lawful heir to Davids Throne and Abraham's lawful heir to his Promised Land.
Was adultery involved?
No.
I met him through the introduction of the Holy Spirit, not physically. And you didn't answer my questions.What did He look like when you met Him? What was He wearing? How tall is He?
Curious Mary
In that passage the greek word could mean a sister, a woman (fellow-)member of a church, a Christian womanYet there is a distinct possibility that the word adelphos in Mark 6:2-4 means "brother" and that when it says "sisters" in the same passage, it means "sisters".
Does your Catholic Bible translate these things as "cousins"?
Please answer this question.
How does it make the distinction between Jesus' male and female "cousins"?
What does it say in the English?
I would say that I believe that that is a mistranslation if it is translated thus.
You have to disregard the plain English translation of the kjv in order to hold on to your Catholic dogma.
Therefore, if the kjv-only or kjv-superior position is a part of the narrow path that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14), you are going to find yourself walking down the broad path that leads to destruction.
Like I said, you have nothing. Tradition, tradition! Tradition isn't truth.Since you can't show me in Scripture where Mary gave birth to other children, you can't refute the other translation of that word, I CAN account for those "brothers" true mothers and I have historical writings...yes, that evil Catholic tradition,...to come to my "likely conclusion" that means your "conclusion" lakes merit and logic.
Ok....I will answer your question: How can I truly love someone I've never met?I met him through the introduction of the Holy Spirit, not physically. And you didn't answer my questions.
Just show me in Scripture where Mary gave birth to other children and I will join your church. What church do you belong to BTW?Like I said, you have nothing. Tradition, tradition! Tradition isn't truth.
Show me from scripture that she never had other children. You can't, so you have the weaker conclusion. I at least can show that it's the most likely situationthat Jesus' brothers were his mother's kids. You have to create a situation that's not even alluded to.
Ok, let me put it this way; why should I glorify a human that God doesn't ask me to glorify? That's putting someone else in Jesus' place.Ok....I will answer your question: How can I truly love someone I've never met?
I don't know how or if you can truly love anyone! Only you do!
You are right. To glorify (praise and worship) any human would be a violation of Gods law so you shouldn't do that.Ok, let me put it this way; why should I glorify a human that God doesn't ask me to glorify? That's putting someone else in Jesus' place.
Brothers/sisters in those passages could be fellow Christians, cousins, half-siblings sooooo neither of us have a leg to stand on. Zero points for either of us.Like I said, you have nothing. Tradition, tradition! Tradition isn't truth.
Show me from scripture that she never had other children. You can't, so you have the weaker conclusion. I at least can show that it's the most likely situationthat Jesus' brothers were his mother's kids. You have to create a situation that's not even alluded to.
But it doesn't; because in context (Mark 6:2-4), Jesus speaks of his own kin.In that passage the greek word could mean a sister, a woman (fellow-)member of a church, a Christian woman
The mothers of the brothers mentioned in Scripture can be accounted for via other passages from Scripture. One point for me.
No where in Scripture does it say that Mary had other children. One point for me.
Since the earliest parts of Christianity it has been taught that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Your teaching is 500 years old. One point for me.
Lol... You really like the grade yourself on a curve don't you?Brothers/sisters in those passages could be fellow Christians, cousins, half-siblings sooooo neither of us have a leg to stand on. Zero points for either of us.
Even if Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage scripture does not say she became pregnant. Zero points for both of us.
The mothers of the brothers mentioned in Scripture can be accounted for via other passages from Scripture. One point for me.
No where in Scripture does it say that Mary had other children. One point for me.
Since the earliest parts of Christianity it has been taught that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Your teaching is 500 years old. One point for me.
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Hi JBF,But it doesn't; because in context (Mark 6:2-4), Jesus speaks of his own kin.
Try to read the holy scriptures objectively.
And yet Catholics do just that. I've heard their prayers. It's creepy the way they glorify Mary...as if they have to go through her to get to Jesus.You are right. To glorify (praise and worship) any human would be a violation of Gods law so you shouldn't do that.
Tertullian (d. circa 200) rejected the apocryphal protogospel and with it Mary's virginitas in partu and her virginitas post partum (see De carne Christi, 23).Hi JBF,
Ohhhhh.....I see. For 1,500 years no one read the Holy Scriptures objectively? It took the Reformers to FINALLY read them objectively? I take that back. The men of The Reformation didn't even believe what you believe sooooo they weren't objective either. It was the men that disagreed with the reformers that were FINALLY objective.
...as if they have to go through her to get to Jesus.