The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"

[CharismaticLady]

one thing about it your not a true charismatic.. your out in left field singing put me in coach but cant find home plate . its called humbling our selves to God

What do you call a true charismatic? It is not a denomination you know.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, 'Over and out'.

I fear we have dera

Hello @justbyfaith,

Would you please equip me with the scriptural ground you have for this thinking so that I can respond appropriately.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Romans 3:19-20, Galatians 3:23.

 

[charity]

justbyfaith said in reply#898:-
Hi @charity,
Gentiles are also under the law in that they will be judged by it and found guilty before God because of it.

Romans 3:19-20, Galatians 3:23.

'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.'
(Romans 3:19-20)

'But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law,
shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.'
(Galatians 3:22)

Hello @justbyfaith,

Thank you for responding to my request for the scripture upon which you based your belief that the nations (Gentiles) were all under law, and not the nation of Israel only, as expressed in reply#898 (quoted above). These are the verses that you have given as proof texts for that.

However in Romans 3, Paul is summarising an argument, which extends from the previous chapters in which firstly the Gentiles are shown to be without excuse, and then the Jews, though being under the law, were also likewise without excuse, for 'by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified' in God's sight, for the law simply brought a knowledge of sin.

In Galatians 3:22 this is confirmed. All are under sin. In order that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, regardless of whether Jew or Gentile. 'We,' said Paul, (as a Jew himself) 'were kept under the law', 'shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed'. The content of the chapter as a whole shows that Paul was talking about the Jew. Context is vital to a correct understanding.

Please read Romans 1-3, and Galatians 1-3 through again and you will see that this is so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris.

 

[Waiting on him]

'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.'
(Romans 3:19-20)

'But the scripture hath concluded all under sin,
that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law,
shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.'
(Galatians 3:22)

Hello @justbyfaith,

Thank you for responding to my request for the scripture upon which you based your belief that the nations (Gentiles) were all under law, and not the nation of Israel only, as expressed in reply#898 (quoted above). These are the verses that you have given as proof texts for that.

However in Romans 3, Paul is summarising an argument, which extends from the previous chapters in which firstly the Gentiles are shown to be without excuse, and then the Jew, though being under the law, was also likewise without excuse, for 'by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified' in God's sight, for the law simply brought a knowledge of sin.

In Galatians 3:22 this is confirmed. All are under sin. In order that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, regardless of whether Jew or Gentile. 'We,' said Paul, (as a Jew himself) 'were kept under the law', 'shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed'. The content of the chapter as a whole shows that Paul was talking about the Jew. Context is vital to a correct understanding.

Please read Romans 1-3, and Galatians 1-3 through again and you will see that this is so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris.

Must have been overwhelming, when you realized that not every word in scripture was referring specifically to you.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

no she is saying they are lost when the commit a big type of sin, only the little sins committed by people means they are saved. someone that commits a big sin like King David lost his salvation and then gained it back once he repented.[/QUOTE

I respectfully disagree.....David was Saved and remained Saved for the same reason “ we” do....He had Faith in God. David himself prayed NOT for God to ” RESTORE” his Salvation at any time— even after His most Despicable Sins.David asked God to Restore the “ JOY” of his Salvation...
After his sins with Bathsheba were revealed, God Did the same thing to David that He does with all of his Foolish , Disobedient Children—- He Chastised David and He Chastised him Severely!Research the life of David after His Sins—- his subsequent life was a life of misery— a True Shipwreck.
Salvation dos not hinge on Behavior.....David , like most “ heroes of Faith” talked about in Hebrews 11 were BIG TIME SINNERS and even Moses was a murderer ! Lot was a flat- out Low Life who had sex with his daughters and died in Sin, drunk in a cave, and for him, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of ANY Repentance!( That can be a debate for another time ) ...
The point is, David did not get Saved because he was a “ Saint”...... He did not lose his Salvation because he was a Rotten, Even WILLFULL Sinner......Obedience is great , lack of Of it is Foolishness and God will take a Stupid, Disobedient Believer to the “ Wood Shed”, and take it from me ....He don’t play no games when He takes you there.....
John the Baptist declared that Jesus came to Earth to “ take away the sins of the world “ He accomplished the Task That God put Before Him... “ by ONE Sacrifice “ He did it.The Sin Issue has been taken care of “. Not a Factor in Salvation.Salvation is a gift....GIVEN to those who do NOT work for it. Jesus did the Work...He Paid the Price for Sin.....Now we don’t have to worry about our Performance .....it is HIS performance that Counts for our Salvation.....The Blood He Shed On our behalf ..... Christ’s Blood and our FAITH in that Blood are the Two things that count for Salvation. The ONLY things.
David, despite his many terrible, willfull sins , and even the thoroughly rotten Lot, were men of Faith.....that Faith Plus Nothing was what saved them and Kept them Saved.....Just like you and I....” The Righteous ( the Saved, Those is imputed with Perfection, even though they are in reality, far from it ) shall LIVE by Faith “..... Try living by Faith — Believing and Acting on the Promises Of God — and watch your Performance improve —- even though it is NOT the basis for your Justification and Salvation....Believers are Sealed in their Salvation at the first instance of Faith.....it does not come and go , being dependent on the performances of those whose Spirits May be willing , but just happen to be stuck in “ weak Flesh”...... God bless....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

, as a few verses before say "former"

I think that is a lie .....show me that verse in the KJV and I will sincerely apologize ....

 

[justbyfaith]

In Galatians 3:22 this is confirmed. All are under sin. In order that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, regardless of whether Jew or Gentile. 'We,' said Paul, (as a Jew himself) 'were kept under the law', 'shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed'. The content of the chapter as a whole shows that Paul was talking about the Jew. Context is vital to a correct understanding.

The context of the entire book of Galatians is that it is written to Gentiles who were in danger of being "Judaized"....false teachers were coming in wanting to circumcise them and instruct them to keep the law.

So no, Galatians 3:23 is not talking about Jews only....it is talking about all those who have come to faith in Jesus...that previous to that they were kept under the law.

It indicates to me in Romans 3:19-20 that the law defines sin for everyone and that everyone, Jew and Gentile alike, will be judged by the law on their day of judgment.

You may say to me what is written in Romans 2:12, that those who sin without law shall also perish apart from the law; while those who sin in the law will be judged by the law.

But, how is it to be determined that they sinned? Is not their sin defined by the fact that they violated the law, even though they may not have had a law set before them; and therefore they did not transgress (or trespass); while they still sinned?

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20). But the law exists throughout eternity as a standard of righteousness and therefore men can transgress the law even though it is not set before them. They are simply not violating a standard that was set before them; so they were not crossing a line where they were told not to do that thing and did it anyway. They violated a principle that they were unaware of....and it was still sin...and that sin was defined by the eternal law of the Lord as it exists in heaven. They did not trespass because they did not violate a commandment set before them...but they did sin in that they transgressed the standard of the law as it is firmly set in the heavenlies.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that is a lie .....show me that verse in the KJV and I will sincerely apologize ....

1Ti 1:13, Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14, And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Since the word "before" is a synonym of the word "formerly" (in some translations the word is translated "formerly") I think that you do owe an apology.

I think it ironic however, if you are going to apologize to her and not to me.

For your sin against me is greater than anything you have committed against her.

She said it is not in your nature to apologize...so I am not holding my breath. You can be certain that the issue will be brought up on your day of judgement, however; if you do not settle it in this life.

 

[justbyfaith]

The point is, David did not get Saved because he was a “ Saint”......

David's sin was especially condemned by the Lord because God said that it would be an occasion for the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme.

Some such blasphemy comes when people try to make the case that those who commit sin are not "of the devil" (1 John 3:8) after all...

It should be clear from holy scripture that even saints can be taken captive by the devil at his will...

The only option for them to be restored is for them to contritely acknowledge their sin and genuinely repent of it...so that they don't commit those same sins any more.

And I am not downplaying the blood of Jesus...for the blood will sanctify and cleanse the sinner from all sin (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7) as the result of genuine repentance.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is a lot of the problem forgiveness for Christ isn’t conditional, but for you,,,,,

Unlike you and others here,I live under a “ New and better Covenant”..... God found fault with the Old One....Now ( this side of the Cross) I live in the Age Of Grace.....As the Book Of Collosians makes clear .....ALL of my sins have already been forgiven because of my Faith in Jesus Plus Nothing ....My impetus for Forgiving comes from the Gratitude I have because God forgave me first.....If God could totally Forgive a Wretched Sinner like me, why can’t I freely forgive others ? There’ Your New and Improved Motivation For Forgiving —- one that comes from your New Heart—- not a fake forgiveness, conjured up because you think you are going to Hell if you don’t do it....The Cross changed everything.....you need to familiarize yourselves with that Fact.....

 

[justbyfaith]

Unlike you and others here,I live under a “ New and better Covenant”..... God found fault with the Old One....Now ( this side of the Cross) I live in the Age Of Grace.....As the Book Of Collosians makes clear .....ALL of my sins have already been forgiven because of my Faith in Jesus Plus Nothing ....My impetus for Forgiving comes from the Gratitude I have because God forgave me first.....If God could totally Forgive a Wretched Sinner like me, why can’t I freely forgive others ? There’ Your New and Improved Motivation For Forgiving —- one that comes from your New Heart—- not a fake forgiveness, conjured up because you think you are going to Hell if you don’t do it....The Cross changed everything.....you need to familiarize yourselves with that Fact.....

Unfortunately for you, @Blood Bought 1953, all of your sins are not forgiven.

For I am currently retaining your sin against me.

See John 20:22-23.

Do you really want to gamble on the idea that I don't have the Holy Spirit?

Because that is the only way your sin against me is forgiven at this point.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

1Ti 1:13, Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14, And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Since the word "before" is a synonym of the word "formerly" (in some translations the word is translated "formerly") I think that you do owe an apology.

I think it ironic however, if you are going to apologize to her and not to me.

For your sin against me is greater than anything you have committed against her.

She said it is not in your nature to apologize...so I am not holding my breath. You can be certain that the issue will be brought up on your day of judgement, however; if you do not settle it in this life.

My Judgement was taken care of 200O Years ago on the Cross.....Jesus took the Judgement that I deserved and in turn gave me HIS Righteousness....Simply because I Trust Him.....
I don’t ever mean to hurt anybody, but unfortunately I am like God in one sense....I HATE Perverted Gospels Of “ Yeah,Jesus Blood is Essential for Salvation, but it just ain’t ADEQUATE—- ya gotta Repent all your sins before you die or you are going to Hell ! I HATE Legalism that says, “ Sure, Jesus Saves....everybody Knows “ that”..... But once you realize that , ya gotta PROVE that you are Saved by Keeping the Commandments, you know......ya gotta Live the Life!” I hate the Leaven that ruined many of Paul’s Churches that say “RESTING in the Gospel and Believing that the Finished Work Of The Cross is both Essential AND Adequate to Save One Forever —- no matter WHAT ! Is just really a way to take God's Grace and abuse it so I can “go out , sin up a storm and Get Away With It”

I once heard a guy preach one time who said that some of the things of God had to be “ Spiritually Discerned” .... there are some things that people just can not understand until God “ opens their eyes “ to them...
These types of people just cannot “IMAGINE” a Scenario that plays out like this....Imagine a canary that has been caged up it’s entire life.....all it thinks about us getting out of that cage! Finally the day arrives when somebody decides , as an act if Pure mercy, to set that poor thing free .FREE to do what “ IT” wants to do.....free to go where “IT” wants to go —- no more Cage to limit it ! Hooray !

Then.....once the guy has his “ freedom” he sees some things he was unaware of .....there were no hungry cats that could get to him in that cage.....the climate was always quite nice in that Cage.....I never had to worry about being fed......never had to worry about getting water everyday....
The “Free” canary realized that maybe that cage wasn’t so bad after all, maybe it was actually there for HIS OWN GOOD ! He decided to go back to his “ confinement” purely on his own.He never left the safety and comfort of his cage again .....He could fly away anytime he WANTED to , but something inside him had changed him—- he no longer “WANTED” to......
Christianity is like that.....Jesus actually died for my Sins....ALL of them. That being True, I should be able to do whatever I “ WANT” to do and still be Saved.....right? Christianity contains a lot of ironies ....if you want to be first, Be last.....If you want to go up , go down......you want to see Sin diminish in your life? It can be done.The ironic way to become more Obedient is to quit worrying about it .When God Saved me , when He showed me that I could do whatever I “Wanted” to do and still be Saved, simply because I had the Faith to Trust His Son to indwell and save me —— That was the EXACT same second that I did not “ want” to do sinful things anymore.....” Whom God sets free is free indeed !” A “ Free Man” does what he “ Wants”——- God changes our “ wants”
Here’s what weak,poorly taught , confused people do not “ get “ about Christianity —- when God gives you your “ Freedom in Christ” he also gives you something else to go with it . A New Heart. Trust your New Heart.... become the Free Man God intended for you to be.....a Free Man in Christ....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Lippy?

Yes....”Lippy”...... remember “ Lonesome Dove?”

 

[justbyfaith]

.I HATE Perverted Gospels Of “ Yeah,Jesus Blood is Essential for Salvation, but it just ain’t ADEQUATE—- ya gotta Repent all your sins before you die or you are going to Hell !

Evidently Ezekiel, in Ezekiel 33:11-20, and the author of Hebrews, in Hebrews 10:26-31, preached a perverted gospel...for these passages emphasize the need to repent and stay true to practical holiness.

In your opinion, @Blood Bought 1953, does the blood of Jesus sanctify? (see Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29)

Is God going to sanctify a man against his will?

(the answer is no);

For this reason, I believe that we must repent (turn from our wicked ways....2 Chronicles 7:14) if we are going to be sanctified by the blood of Jesus.

I also believe that the blood of Jesus cannot be applied without doing everything that is its function...

And the function of the blood is not only to justify (as per Romans 5:9)...it is also to sanctify (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanse us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

I HATE Legalism that says, “ Sure, Jesus Saves....everybody Knows “ that”..... But once you realize that , ya gotta PROVE that you are Saved by Keeping the Commandments, you know......ya gotta Live the Life!”

Now, I do not teach that you have to live the life in order to be saved. I teach that you will most assuredly live the life if you are genuinely saved.

Therefore if you are not living the life, you ought to question as to whether or not you are genuinely saved (see 2 Corinthians 13:5).

Yes....”Lippy”...... remember “ Lonesome Dove?”

No...why don't you tell us what you are referring to (I never saw that program).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Unfortunately for you, @Blood Bought 1953, all of your sins are not forgiven.

For I am currently retaining your sin against me.

See John 20:22-23.

Do you really want to gamble on the idea that I don't have the Holy Spirit?

Because that is the only way your sin against me is forgiven.

Wow. I just have two words for you, justbyfaith....Pfffttttt.....oops, I “ Fibbed “ again....that was only One Word.....I hope with all your godly powers that you will forgive me....
You are Getting nuttier by the day.....good-bye.....you were a great Springboard for me to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there.Best Of luck with whatever religion this is that you adhere to...

 

[justbyfaith]

A New Heart. Trust your New Heart....

Pro 28:26, He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

 

[justbyfaith]

Wow. I just have two words for you, justbyfaith....Pfffttttt.....oops, I “ Fibbed “ again....that was only One Word.....I hope with all your godly powers that you will forgive me....
You are Getting nuttier by the day.....good-bye.....you were a great Springboard for me to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there.Best Of luck with whatever religion this is that you adhere to...

It is going to take an apology from you...even if I have to wait until your day of judgment.

You are very disrespectful...not the right kind of fruit...therefore the following may indeed apply:

Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

It's really a crying shame that I have now identified you as a false prophet and as a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing...

Because a lot of what you say, impaho, is very much the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately, the vessel from which it is being shared is a vessel that is a bad tree bearing bad fruit...so people are going to have to get the real truth elsewhere...from vessels that bear good fruit rather than bad fruit.

Such to be found are far and few between...

I'm not certain that I even qualify...

Because as a lily among thorns, I can sometimes react with biting comments (via the sword of the Spirit) against those who come against me...while I ought to just take the loss in reward that will come as the result of attacks on my character and message that are now leveled against me by satan; and not respond to such attacks with personal attacks of my own against the vessel that the slanderer is using to level his attacks against me...

Perhaps in the future I can and will do better...but for now I don't think that it would be wise to delete the record of my bad response to this attack from the enemy.

 

[justbyfaith]

Luk 17:1, Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
Luk 17:2, It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luk 17:3, Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4, And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953, I have already forgiven you; just as Christ has forgiven the sins of the whole world, but they will not truly appropriate His forgiveness unless they repent and believe in Him.

So you will appropriate my forgiveness through apologizing to me; even if I have to wait until your day of judgment for that apology: and if you will not apologize to me even then, I feel that I will be justified in not forgiving you and so you will not be forgiven (John 20:22-23).

 

[justbyfaith]

Jer 13:17, But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD'S flock is carried away captive.