God's Heart For Trump

[charity]

Hi Chris,
Even though there are parts in the bible that say that God basically puts into office those over us. It makes me wonder about the "free will" of the people.
“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God” (Romans 13:1).

Would this include the family, the workplace as well as government? God is sovereign and can and does what ever He pleases yet, this one is a tough one to decipher. If this is true, then He put Hitler in power, as well as all the other evil leaders of the world. This reminds me of Amadeus's "left hand of God". Elsewhere in the Word it talks about following the laws of the land so as to keep peace such as:

Romans 13:1-7 "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ..."

Kind of hard to obey evil leaders and, I would say the huge majority of political "leaders" are pretty evil. Yet, we must obey them. But...if obeying them means breaking fellowship with God then...I would be sinning as, I would always be on the side of God. So, if these leaders are of God's own choosing...why even vote in the first place? He is sovereign and will do as He wills either way. I am just so tired of the voting against rather than for a candidate.

Hi @Nancy,

Yes, in our democratic nations we vote our political parties into power. I am not greatly interested in politics, but try to be informed sufficiently to be able to vote. The President or Prime Minister (in our case) represents his political party, and should be their voice, as a corporate entity, as each member of that party was voted in by the parts of the country they represent and should therefore have a part in the decisions that are eventually made, and then made known to the public through their Leader. Yet more and more the Leaders in both our countries, are being given more individual prominence and power than is right, or safe, I feel.

God's will, will be done ( for whatever reason ) and for the most part we get what we deserve whether for good or ill.

Praise His Holy Name.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

@HiddenInHim,

Hi there,

I have just noticed that this thread is not in the 'current affairs and political' section of the forum, but in that entitled, 'Eschatology and Prophecy'. Why did you choose to put this thread in this section, HiddenInHim? Do you believe that somehow Mr Trump has a part in eschatological events or the fulfillment of prophecy?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Franklin Graham made a great show of praying in public, didn't he?

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

It makes me wonder if he's read his Bible.

May God forgive you!

He will if you repent!

 

[Grailhunter]

@Hidden In Him
You are overlooking one MAJOR difference between David and Trump.

God called David a man after His own heart. When David was faced with his sin, he was very contrite and broken over it ...he REPENTED before God and man. Not so, Trump!!

Maybe ....some day ..... Trump will humble himself and repent.... one can only hope and pray.

You know no such thing. You are not the person that President Trump would repent to. He is not going to pray to you. He includes God in everything he does. People can say anything. I am the kind of man that....... I am a Catholic and ...... Well you are not what you say you are, you are what you do and what Biden and the Democrats do and want does not in anyway represent the Bible or God, only evil. Abortion, drugs, lawlessness, every form of sexual depravity. I want you to tell us how anything that they stand up for and demand and or what they protest has anything to do with God. Lets hear it?

 

[Grailhunter]

Franklin Graham made a great show of praying in public, didn't he?

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

It makes me wonder if he's read his Bible.

You stand with those that attack a President that includes God in everything. You attack those that serve God in the ministry. This is not the first time you have dis'ed Franklin Graham. You stand with those that that strive for evil. Where does that put you Giuliano? Do you not think people notice that you support evil?

 

[Giuliano]

May God forgive you!

He will if you repent!

I wasn't the fellow advertising my piety.

I think you may need to hope God forgives Franklin Graham and hope too that Graham starts reading his Bible and doing what Jesus said we should.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I wasn't the fellow advertising my piety.

I think you may need to hope God forgives Franklin Graham and hope too that Graham starts reading his Bible and doing what Jesus said we should.

So.....you would rather curse men than pray to God!

 

[Taken]

Depends on what you mean by "overcome." I've seen a number of Christians succumb to an evil spirit. They unfortunately get lured into serving the enemy quite readily sometimes.

OVERCOME, according to Scripture.
Not simply calling oneself a Christian...
(Curious, hearing, tasting, trying out Christianity)...
but rather having Committed: and Become MADE "CONVERTED"...
"Forgiven, Sanctified, Saved, Born Again".

Yes...those Christians NOT committed/Converted...can fall victim to evil influences.

Yes, but what he displays and what is actually going on in his heart are likely two different things. Trump comes from a family that practices Positive Confession.

Trumps family "practices Positive Confession"?
What is THAT?
Do you have Trump or Trump family members Quotes saying that...? No clue the context of your statement.

That's why even when Covid-19 is now worse than it has ever been since the beginning of the outbreak, he is still telling the American people we are "turning the corner." (Granted, I think he means well, but what you often see with Trump is not actual reality but a projection of what he wants everyone to think and believe).

Oh your "Positive Confession" is about a man's Personal "postitve outlook".

(I was speaking of a man's Spiritual Confession)!!

•So you appear strained at Trumps "Personal Positive outlook" specifically concerning Covid.

• Personally, since the Covid Virus was announced, I have Known ONE man (who contracted the virus), don't know his wife (but she also contracted the virus). Both were in hospital a few days and released. Both RECOVERED now.
• Every day, over 7,800 deaths Occur EVERY DAY in the US...(stats 2015-2017) (Before Covid)
• I was NOT all hyped up on a Virus (Covid 19), any more than I was when another Covid Virus outbreak occurred in 2003/ (SARS.)
Nor do I get all hyped up Every year when A NEW Flu strain is Announced.
• Body's are born- Body's Live- Body's Die--- That has Not Changed, since the beginning.
• Body's get sick, diseased, Recover or Die.
That has Not Changed, since the beginning.
• Viruses are everywhere. Thousands of Viruses. Some affect some Body's health well-being, some do not.
• The World Health Organization, receives Reports, monitors, Conducts Testing, and Names Viruses.
• I have NO issue with Trump having a Positive Outlook, that the Covid 19- outbreak will soon be in the past.
• That is Trumps personal Opinion... you don't have to Agree with him...
• You can continue to take whatever precautions you feel is a benefit to you.
• Trump NEVER advised anyone to NOT seek medical advice.
• At the onset, Trump advised Travel Bans, precautions and Qurantines pertaining to Travelers to and from China.

You are welcome : ) Glad you watched it. I found it revealing as well.

Thanks. The speaker appeared to be East Indian, but didn't notice his name, or country he is located.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Trump is in spiritual danger. ....

Let me suggest that Trump's critics are in "spiritual danger":

1 Chron. 16
21 he allowed no one to oppress them;
he rebuked kings on their account,
22 saying, “Touch not my anointed ones,
do my prophets no harm!”​

... and their attacks will not go unnoticed and unpunished.
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

So.....you would rather curse men than pray to God!

Who was cursing?

You have no idea of how much others pray in secret. Should we advertise it to impress men, or should we obey Jesus who told us to pray in secret?

 

[Seven of Nine]

It makes me wonder if he's read his Bible.

I wonder that too because he can't seem to make up his mind what his moral convictions are. He never once defended Bill Clinton’s moral and ethical transgressions, but he has passionately defended Trump more than once. He didn't overlook and excuse Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Graham said, "If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public." However, he applied quite a different standard when he spoke publicly about Trump's extramarital affair with the porn star, Stormy Daniels. He said, “I think this thing with Stormy Daniels and so forth is nobody’s business. And we’ve got other business at hand that we need to deal with." As you can see, Franklin Graham apparently likes to adjust his moral convictions to suit his political ambitions.

Franklin Graham has become a parody of himself with his blind support for Trump

How evangelical leaders surrounded Clinton during the last presidential impeachment process

 

[FollowHim]

Just watched this, and it confirms some things the Lord has spoken to me before:

1. Trump is in spiritual danger. I have not published certain things because they insinuate he could be overcome by very powerful witchcraft and an evil spirit take him over. The message in this video states (without going into any detail) that God will not allow that to happen.

2. Trump has been deeply effected in recent weeks, and is a "broken man." This was insinuated by one of the dreams I posted in which he appeared deeply frightened after being "chased to the hospital," i.e. catching Covid-19.

But the following video shares some things I thought should be posted:

- The Lord loves Donald Trump, and in fact raised hm up as His servant in 2016, and

- If those who support him earnestly pray, he could still fulfill the plan God had for him, by serving out a second term.

As always, while I hate to sound overly pessimistic, I rarely have much faith in the church to pray, so I personally think God's intentions and God's plan for him are going to be cut short. But I thought it was wonderful how the Lord was sharing His heart for our duly elected President, and I do think it is a disgrace to our entire nation that we could so badly disrespect our leader, such that a man who continually travels the world should say he has never seen anything like it anywhere.

God bless,
Hidden

Note: Selveraj accurately predicted without qualification 3 months before the 2016 election that Trump would become the next President of the United States. He makes no such unqualified prediction this time.

Trump is a servant of God? You got to be kidding. Trump is his own man, and will use anyone who thinks he is "great", and rubbish anyone who says he is a problem. He has no clue now to use an in depth argument, but knows how to play gullable people who want a saviour to deliver them from their economic situation.

The trouble with the prophet Sadhu, is he has prophesied from God, face to face, things that have not come to pass. This makes him a false prophet. And with this he is just a leaf blowing in the wind.

If one claims a face to face experience with God, and what the Lord says does not come to pass, one is not sane or one is lying.
And why do we need a prophet about elections, as elections are just the opinion of the people, not the opinion of God.

The people of God are a counter culture of love and truth, not a right wing group of supremacists who what white people to rule the world.
Sadly for many the two have been linked together, as anything that threatens their power base is evil, and anything that encourages them to dominate is good. This is simply nothing to do with the living God, and is just human self interest and delusion.

God bless you

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Do you believe that somehow Mr Trump has a part in eschatological events or the fulfillment of prophecy?

Dear Charity,

Hope you don't mind me interjecting, but by every Scriptural metric available to me, -- Timing, Attributes, Politics, & Motives from all aspects --, Trump & Pence are the Two Witnesses spoken of in Rev. 11. And so it remains to be seen in the next few months!

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Who was cursing?

You have no idea of how much others pray in secret. Should we advertise it to impress men, or should we obey Jesus who told us to pray in secret?

Heavenly Father, I pray that Giuliano will have Your grace to please You in all that he says and does. I pray that Your truth would reign in Giuliano's heart and that he would know Your love in deeper ways than he has ever experienced it before!

I pray in the mighty name of my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[FollowHim]

Just watched this, and it confirms some things the Lord has spoken to me before:

1. Trump is in spiritual danger. I have not published certain things because they insinuate he could be overcome by very powerful witchcraft and an evil spirit take him over. The message in this video states (without going into any detail) that God will not allow that to happen.

2. Trump has been deeply effected in recent weeks, and is a "broken man." This was insinuated by one of the dreams I posted in which he appeared deeply frightened after being "chased to the hospital," i.e. catching Covid-19.

Trump is likely going to lose, simply because he cannot accept Covid-19 is killing people and this is serious. Empathy for the suffering is not his strong suit, he just wants to look good. This is the antithesis of a man of God, and Trump certainly does not know the gospel, let alone believe it.

Make no mistake God uses everything for His purposes, and to expose the ludicrous nature of wishful thinkers in the church, following anyone who claims spiritual authority and preaches blessing, is just like the false prophets of old, and such a people will fall under Gods judgement in the end.

13 “From the least to the greatest,
all are greedy for gain;
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit.
14 They dress the wound of my people
as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say,
when there is no peace.
15 Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
So they will fall among the fallen;
they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the Lord.
Jeremiah 6:13-15

Do you notice the similarity to all the things being said on the internet and the press?
There is no shame, they do not know how to blush......

 

[Seven of Nine]

Trump is likely going to lose, simply because he cannot accept Covid-19 is killing people and this is serious. Empathy for the suffering is not his strong suit, he just wants to look good. This is the antithesis of a man of God, and Trump certainly does not know the gospel, let alone believe it.

He was asked his opinion on the death toll of COVID-19 and his cold-hearted response was "It is what it is." He was later asked, “What do you say to Americans, who are watching you right now, who are scared?” and his cold-hearted response was "I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people.”

 

[Giuliano]

Heavenly Father, I pray that Giuliano will have Your grace to please You in all that he says and does. I pray that Your truth would reign in Giuliano's heart and that he would know Your love in deeper ways than he has ever experienced it before!

I pray in the mighty name of my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ!

Spare us this public display. Just because Franklin does it doesn't mean you have to.

 

[Giuliano]

Trump is likely going to lose, simply because he cannot accept Covid-19 is killing people and this is serious. Empathy for the suffering is not his strong suit, he just wants to look good. This is the antithesis of a man of God, and Trump certainly does not know the gospel, let alone believe it.

Make no mistake God uses everything for His purposes, and to expose the ludicrous nature of wishful thinkers in the church, following anyone who claims spiritual authority and preaches blessing, is just like the false prophets of old, and such a people will fall under Gods judgement in the end.

13 “From the least to the greatest,
all are greedy for gain;
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit.
14 They dress the wound of my people
as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say,
when there is no peace.
15 Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
So they will fall among the fallen;
they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the Lord.
Jeremiah 6:13-15

Do you notice the similarity to all the things being said on the internet and the press?
There is no shame, they do not know how to blush......

There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[Giuliano]

He was asked his opinion on the death toll of COVID-19 and his cold-hearted response was "It is what it is." He was later asked, “What do you say to Americans, who are watching you right now, who are scared?” and his cold-hearted response was "I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people.”

So much for the power of positive thinking, eh?

 

[Seven of Nine]

Spare us this public display. Just because Franklin does it doesn't mean you have to.

Franklin Graham's pompous public prayers remind me of the self-righteous Pharisee whom Jesus spoke about in one of His stories. Luke 18:9-12 "Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector!'"