How Powerful is the Blood of Jesus?

[Nancy]

haha thanks for the laugh and lightening things up lol.

I can be pretty silly so, don't tempt me!

 

[Mungo]

I agree. We will either be saved or we will not be saved and, when we die without Christ we are dead indeed and, some will die being filthy, some will die being righteous, unjust, holy...
Funny this scripture is being used today. I've been listening to Johnny Cash and, I LOVE his song "When The Man Comes Around"

Ok...gotta share the song again...trying to learn it on my guitar...easy chords :)

You are taking a very black and white approach; either we are filthy, extreme sinners or we are 100% perfect and 100% holy.

Can you honestly say that since you became a Christian you have never committed the tiniest sin and have always been 100% perfect and 100% holy?

 

[Nancy]

Yes it is can you hit those low notes

Yes I can...as well as many high notes. I try to get close to Annie when singing along to 2nd Chapter of Acts, but it is closer to her sister Nellie...Mathew is not too hard either, lol. I love singing! These things I do for my own entertainment, lol.

 

[Nancy]

You are taking a very black and white approach; either we are filthy, extreme sinners or we are 100% perfect and 100% holy.

Can you honestly say that since you became a Christian you have never committed the tiniest sin and have always been 100% perfect and 100% holy?

Hello Mungo,
I think you misunderstood me. Of course I have sinned and I know that until I am perfected in Him, I will sin, yet...I sin LESS as I grow in Him.
Basically, if we die in our sins...we die in whatever state we were when we passed from this world.

 

[Mungo]

Hello Mungo,
I think you misunderstood me. Of course I have sinned and I know that until I am perfected in Him, I will sin, yet...I sin LESS as I grow in Him.
Basically, if we die in our sins...we die in whatever state we were when we passed from this world.

I agree, but since nothing unclean will enter heaven (Rev 21:27), then there must a process of purification after death as I showed in post #25.

 

[Taken]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

What does it mean to be cleansed from all unrighteousness? Does that include the desire to sin? Why instead of acknowledging "cleanse" do some believe the blood of Jesus only FORGIVES all unrighteousness, but we will still sin all of our lives, and Jesus cleanses our present and future sins as well as our past sins, but does nothing for the desire to sin. If we believe that Jesus' blood cleanses and forgives our past, present and future sins instead of making us truly born again with a new nature, and free from the desire to sin in the first place presently and in the future, isn't that is a slap in the face of how powerful we believe the blood of Jesus truly is?

Jesus came to make us truly righteous and holy as the Father is perfect. He came to make us like Himself - the first of many brethren. Romans 8:29 "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

What do you believe is SIN?

Thanks,
Taken

 

[Taken]

How Powerful is the Blood of Jesus?
OP ^

Supreme Power- to cleanse a man's natural body and living soul and natural spirit of All Sin, once and Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

Rev 22:11 says nothing of the sort.
"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”
That says nothing about entry into heaven after death.

Post #25 shows that there is a process of making us perfect and holy - fit for heaven - after death.
If you disagree with it please point out the errors.

What it shows is after death we don't get holier as you implied.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I just looked that up and came across this, here's an excerpt:

" At first glance, his words appear disturbing and irresponsible. It is as if he is suggesting that anything goes; that everything is permissible; that we have neither limits nor boundaries; and that we are free to do whatever we believe we are big and bad enough to do. And that is a terribly frightening prospect.
But when we take a deeper look at his words, they reveal that what St. Augustine is saying is a far cry from the kind of absolute freedom that has neither limits nor boundaries. Quite the contrary, freedom is having the right and the ability to choose the limits and the boundaries by which we shall live.
In the case of those of us who are a part of the community of faith that was called “the people of the way” in the first century,

"St. Augustine is affirming that we chose to live out our faith based on the limits and boundaries determined by our love of and for God. That means that because of our love for God, there are things that we should do and things that we should not do. Because we love God, we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves; because we love God we should not hate our enemies; because we love God, we should be just in our dealings with all humanity; because we love God, we should not allow any injustice to stand; because we love God, we should forgive any offense committed against us; because we love God, we should not hold any grudge or seek revenge against anyone who has offended us."
(bold mine)
“Love God and Do As You Please!!”

Yes, it is actually "Love God and Do as You will." Do as your nature tells you to do; if born again, do as your new nature tells you. Do what comes naturally. If not, well, you don't love God.

 

[BarneyFife]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

What does it mean to be cleansed from all unrighteousness? Does that include the desire to sin? Why instead of acknowledging "cleanse" do some believe the blood of Jesus only FORGIVES all unrighteousness, but we will still sin all of our lives, and Jesus cleanses our present and future sins as well as our past sins, but does nothing for the desire to sin. If we believe that Jesus' blood cleanses and forgives our past, present and future sins instead of making us truly born again with a new nature, and free from the desire to sin in the first place presently and in the future, isn't that is a slap in the face of how powerful we believe the blood of Jesus truly is?

Jesus came to make us truly righteous and holy as the Father is perfect. He came to make us like Himself - the first of many brethren. Romans 8:29 "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Hi, CL
Sometimes it seems to me like many presumably well-meaning folks don't see that the same power (the blood, or life of Christ) that justifies, also sanctifies and, therefore do not believe that the transformation of hearts is every bit as urgent as the need for forgiveness. Sanctification has therefore become largely a buzz word that more contemplative Christians and Theologians toss around to impress each other, and not the very will of God as expressed in passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:3. Of course, there is also glorification, when we are changed physically or materially and saved from the very presence of sin. The penalty, power, and presence of sin are the things from which we must be delivered. And the very process of atonement is not fully effected until all are achieved. :)

 

[CharismaticLady]

Hi, CL
Sometimes it seems to me like many presumably well-meaning folks don't see that the same power (the blood, or life of Christ) that justifies, also sanctifies and, therefore do not believe that the transformation of hearts is every bit as urgent as the need for forgiveness. Sanctification has therefore become largely a buzz word that more contemplative Christians and Theologians toss around to impress each other, and not the very will of God as expressed in passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:3. Of course, there is also glorification, when we are changed physically or materially and saved from the very presence of sin. The penalty, power, and presence of sin are the things from which we must be delivered. And the very process of atonement is not fully effected until all are achieved. :)

Being delivered from the presence of sin in our nature is called being born again. That doesn't happen after we die, but now. It is receiving the Holy Spirit of God inside of us, writing His laws onto our new nature, to naturally want to do His will.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes I can...as well as many high notes. I try to get close to Annie when singing along to 2nd Chapter of Acts, but it is closer to her sister Nellie...Mathew is not too hard either, lol. I love singing! These things I do for my own entertainment, lol.

I went to church with 2nd Chapter of Acts. We all loved them.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I can be pretty silly so, don't tempt me!
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I'll say!

 

[friend of]

If anyone does not believe that Jesus has power to forgive all sins in the future by his blood then you aren't really believing in the power of the blood at all.

My 2 cents

 

[FollowHim]

obviously so weak in your theology that it cannot forgive all sins-past present and future. Its an atonement only for some sins, not all sin. Its unbiblical and heretical.

But the TRUTH is that Jesus died for all sins- past, present and future. (1 Corinthians 15:3; Hebrews 10:10; 1 John 2:2).

There is a theory about sin and then there is the emotional reality.
If one regards this as factual atonement like a debt that daddy can pay to get one out of trouble, while one goes on causing trouble is one view.

I have met many believers who know the theology, but not how to apply it to their lives. Their lives are full of emotional games of staying safe and getting one over on others. As I get old, and see how things in life play out, facts are not enough. It is empathy, identity, being alongside others and feeling the pain. Listening to Jesus talking to the disciples, He loved them. He knew Peter wanted to see how things panned out, and was impetious but when he saw how things worked and how he failed, he would turn back. So confident Jesus was, he encouraged Peter to encourage the brothers to stay strong.

So love in ones heart changes how you view hurt, selfishness, caring, uplifting, forgiving, and living. This is not trying to be something one is not, it is literally becoming something Jesus has ordained. It is this realisation, standing at the foot of the cross, to see the depth of love Jesus had for us which is our life, our very lives, our inspiration, our joy and our peace. It is not something that dawns in a day, a year, a decade, but a lifetime.

So forgiveness for sin, is the opening of the door to the Kingdom and walking in His ways. Stumbling and getting up and walking on is part of it all. It is not about the perfect walk, but the walk and the heart.

Once one grasps Jesus's love and one begins to love as He loves, the theology of present and future fades away, because love and the walk, sharing and giving become the dominant issues. For those happy to still be lost in sin, bound by hatred, bitterness and unforgiveness, they have not begun to listen to Jesus or follow. Peter was in prison awaiting his execution in the morning, and sat praising God, lost in wonder love and praise. An angel appears and Peter finds himself walking free. Whether we are alive or dead does not change the reality of our walk in grace and love. It takes faith to see this and walk it.

God bless you

 

[brightfame52]

You are reading verses out of context as usual. If you are waiting for the rapture to be made perfect, remember the state we are in when we die, is the state we will be forever, and only those who ARE righteous or holy will enter heaven. Revelation 22:11

Those Christ died for are born righteous and holy even while being sinners!

 

[justbyfaith]

Those Christ died for are born righteous and holy even while being sinners!

righteous and holy sinners...

Who else doesn't see this as an oxymoron?

 

[Enoch111]

If you are waiting for the rapture to be made perfect, remember the state we are in when we die, is the state we will be forever, and only those who ARE righteous or holy will enter heaven.

It is only at the Resurrection/Rapture that the saints are all perfected and glorified. It is only then that the sin nature is eradicated. But the basis of our entrance into Heaven is NOT our own righteousness. It is the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ, placed upon every believer as a Robe of Righteousness. That is the only basis for entry into Heaven.

Regarding the blood of Christ, firstly it cleanses us from all our sins upon conversion (Rev 1:5). Secondly IT KEEPS ON CLEANSING US from our current sins, as we confess them daily. That is the meaning of this passage in 1 John 1:7-10:

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [Note: keeps on cleansing] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[brightfame52]

righteous and holy sinners...

Who else doesn't see this as an oxymoron?

Yes. According to Rom 5:19 how were they made righteous?

 

[Nancy]

I'll say!

Hey!!! I resemble that very much!