What Happens When You Die?

[Endzone]

You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

 

[Christina]

We are not in flesh bodies Endzone 1 Cor 15 when the Lord returns
we are all changed in the twinkling of and eye
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[jerryjohnson]

You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

Nothing comes out of tyhe ground, ez. When we die we return to the Father in our spiritual body. These flesh bodies are not made to last forever and return to dust never to be needed again.

 

[revdw76]

You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

There is a lot of metaphors used all throughout the Bible. Yes the moment the physical body dies the Spirit leaves and joins the Father in Heaven to await the millenium and then final judgement day. Those that sleep in the dust of the Earth I think refers to those who believe but maybe haven't totally given their life to Christ.

But in no way do we assume these physical bodies again. These old bodies go back to the earth from which God took them from never to be used again. If the Lord desires it our spiritual bodies may resemble and reappear as our physical bodies as in the cases of the bodies of the dead coming out of the ground and walking through Jerusalem when Christ died. These were not the physical bodies of the dead but the spiritual bodies of those who were living in Christ.

We in spirit don't go to sleep when we depart the physical body. We are alive and awake in our spiritual bodies proclaiming Christ as the Saviour.

 

[Endzone]

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2.

Well, you are probably very right that the flesh and blood body will not be the one in heaven. But if you read that verse above, it's pretty clear that some of us do not immediately go to be with the Lord. We seem to still be bound by time. There is a sleeping period. But like I say, it will be some kind of sleep. Would we even be conscious of the passage of time? I had a great night's sleep last night, and the 6 or 7 hours seemed like they weren't even there to me.

 

[fivesense]

You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

It's time to get serious here. Look closely and meditate. Don't equivocate, and do not doubt God for an instant.
Ps 88:5 , like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.
Ps 6:5 For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Ec 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Ac 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

When God seals something, is there anyone that can be found worthy and able to open that which is sealed, other than God himself?

No one, nowhere, nohow...

The saints are sealed with the earnest of the Spirit;

Eph 1:13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth-the good news of your salvation-in whom also having believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
Eph 4:30 and make not sorrowful the Holy Spirit of God, in which ye were sealed to a day of redemption
and nobody opens that seal but One:
Re 5:5 and one of the elders saith to me, 'Weep not; lo, overcome did the Lion, who is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, to open the scroll, and to loose the seven seals of it;

Paul entertained no doubt about the end of our fate as believers, salvation in and with Christ at the resurrection. He had not obtained it, and some preached it was not needed, like Hymeneous and Philetus. They said it was past already. Paul said they were liars and believing them, that there was no resurrection from the dead as a Christian, was evil.

2Ti 2:16 But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Israel's saints including John's and the Lord's disciples, will be raised up when He puts His feet on the Mount of Olives, not before. We will already be transformed, they will be called out of the tombs everywhere to join Him, gathering elect Israel from the four corners of the earth.

Our resurrection to our corruptible frames, for the purpose of being like Him in all things, is accomplished in the twinkling of an eye at His last trump of God's own trumpet. It is not an angelic trumpet, it is the trumpet of God Himself. It is perfect, no doubt and suitable for its purpose to bring the Body of Christ into its heavenly realm, announcing the arrival of the spiritual sons and daughters of God.

And so too, as the chemicals that formed the Lord's frame were brought back to life by power of Holy Spirit, we also must have our chemical form changed to be like His is now, able to operate in all spheres earthly and heavenly. We must be like Him as He promised or we are believing a LIE.

Paul believed, therefore he could say his death meant life again in the presence of God's Son when he awoke from death sleep at the shout of the Chief Messenger, Jesus, the Christ of God.
fivesense

 

[Endzone]

fivesense my head is kind of spinning after readying all that. I'm taking up my alloted library time to try and get trough that. So do you think we go to be immediately with the Lord, or is there a period of time and we arise at the ressurection? Or do you even think it matters?

 

[fivesense]

fivesense my head is kind of spinning after readying all that. I'm taking up my alloted library time to try and get trough that. So do you think we go to be immediately with the Lord, or is there a period of time and we arise at the ressurection? Or do you even think it matters?

Hi Endzone,

The Scriptures do not allow for life after death. There is no passage that supports such a position. The example of the Lord should be sufficient for us. He died, and was dead, without existing somewhere else. The passage used to imply He was wandering around somewhere during those three days of entombment is this:1Pt 3:18 . For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

A careful reading and comparison will show that it occurred after He was made alive again, not before. His spirit was commended, (place, set before) voluntarily surrendered at the cross to His Father, Who is the Father of spirits (Heb12:9). He died and was non-existent just like the rest of humanity before and after. Though He was begotten of God, and born of the Holy Spirit, His divinity did not change the fact that He was flesh and blood and had to taste death like us all in order to ransom us. He had to go the complete route, or God could not justify Himself for making us go through what we do. Now we have no excuse against God. He suffered with His creation and was a part of the whole thing, not far off in the distance watching like a spectator.

Death is death. As the scriptures say, there is no praise or worship, no remembrance of God, no knowledge, no device or wisdom once you die. It is non-existence. With no body, with no spirit to make alive, there is no soul and no being. God the Father takes back the spirit He imparted, and the body returns to the dust of the earth.



Gn 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die,

How often and how long will this lie be believed, and the church promote it with false interpretations? Til the end of the era of grace, and the removal of the evangel of grace that Paul preached. Few there are that recognize the truth that "Dying, you shall surely die", and deny the resurrection of the body to glory or condemnation. Neither glory nor the condemnation leading to the second death will occur without a bodily resurrection of the dead.

The dead saints in Christ are dead, without life, apart from God and His Son.

1C 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

1C 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.

1C 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

1C 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

1C 15:20 . But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Paul did not attain unto the resurrection, David is still dead, and all the faithful are non-existent til the day when The Resurrection and the Life, Christ Himself, comes to display to the universe His power and glory with the raising of the dead, just as He did when He was on earth. Only this time resistance will be futile.
fivesense

 

[jerryjohnson]

Hi Endzone,

The Scriptures do not allow for life after death. ...

Nonsense!

 

[fivesense]

Nonsense!

Where?
fivesense

 

[fivesense]

Where?
fivesense

No response jerryjohnson? This is an indication of something significantly wrong. Any ideas of what it could be?

 

[brionne]

You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

the hebrew scriptures speak a lot about death. King Solomon, who was given his wisdom and understanding from God, says that the dead are not conscious of anything. He says they cannot hear, see, speak, feel, or think. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. Vs 10 uses the word 'Sheol'....this is the same word that is translated as 'hell' but in hebrew it means the 'grave'

Also Psalm 146:4 puts it this way "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish"

Jesus explained what would happen to the dead who are in sheol/grave/hell at John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment"


So basically people die, they return to dust they are asleep in their graves until the time arrives for them to be resurrected to life again when God will give them a new body and he will put their spirit/breath (Heb-ruchoh Gr-pneuma; Lat-spiritus) back into them.... its a simple truth that has unfortunately been hidden away under a lot of greek philosophy.

 

[fivesense]

the hebrew scriptures speak a lot about death. King Solomon, who was given his wisdom and understanding from God, says that the dead are not conscious of anything. He says they cannot hear, see, speak, feel, or think. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. Vs 10 uses the word 'Sheol'....this is the same word that is translated as 'hell' but in hebrew it means the 'grave'

Also Psalm 146:4 puts it this way "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish"

Jesus explained what would happen to the dead who are in sheol/grave/hell at John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment"


So basically people die, they return to dust they are asleep in their graves until the time arrives for them to be resurrected to life again when God will give them a new body and he will put their spirit/breath (Heb-ruchoh Gr-pneuma; Lat-spiritus) back into them.... its a simple truth that has unfortunately been hidden away under a lot of greek philosophy.

Very well evidenced and presented Pegg. This should be thought on for more than 10 seconds, though for some that may not be possible.
fivesense

 

[sniper762]

to die means to cease to live. dont know about you, but the bible states in john 3:16 that i will never die.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

Didn't Jesus ministere to the Spirits in Haiti when he died?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

1Pe 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison

1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

 

[brionne]

Didn't Jesus ministere to the Spirits in Haiti when he died?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

1Pe 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison

1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

there is very good evidence those of us who do not have a heavenly calling will spend some time in the grave if they die. At Pentecost, Peter said of King David that he “did not ascend to the heavens” at Acts 2:29,34

This means that Gods servants of the past did not have a heavenly hope. Rather, they will wait in 'sheol' (their grave...otherwise known as Hell) until God remembers according to Job 14:13. What is meant here by 'remember' is seen in the verses that follow...Job 14:14,15 God remembers the person by calling them from the grave...or resurrecting them to life.

This is also in harmony with what Jesus told his diciples "the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out" at John 5:28-29

 

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You know the verses--to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also the one that says, "and some of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall arise to be present with the Lord."

Now, there is this kind of whacy (whacy IMHO) that the body stays in the ground and spirit goes to be with the Lord, and then when the Lord comes back the body is somehow rejoined to the spirit? I think that one is kind of whacky.

But I mean let's say I die this year and Jesus comes back in 4010. Would I even be conscious of that 2000 years of time going by? I mean when you die, you're going to have the best sleep you've ever had in your life aren't you?

The Bible isn't clear on that issue, but I would recommend that you turn in your rented videos before then.
You'll owe a lot of back rent if you don't.

 

[Endzone]

The relationship between the spirit and the body is an interesting one. When Jesus died on the cross he said, "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" or something like that. In other words He was giving His spirit into the care of God. But His physical body stayed int he tomb for 3 days. Then His physical body was resurrected and His spirit was in it.

Somehow the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ went from heaven into the little baby that Mary had. Or not? Was Jesus not really Jesus when He was 2, 4, 8, 9, 13, 17 years old? Was the Holy Spirit not with Him then? I think it was? When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit came upon Him like a dove. But Jesus did not sin ever in His life. Surely the Spirit was with Him in every day of his life since He was formed in His mother's womb? These are hard things to understand.

 

[sniper762]

The relationship between the spirit and the body is an interesting one. When Jesus died on the cross he said, "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" or something like that. In other words He was giving His spirit into the care of God. But His physical body stayed int he tomb for 3 days. Then His physical body was resurrected and His spirit was in it.

Somehow the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ went from heaven into the little baby that Mary had. Or not? Was Jesus not really Jesus when He was 2, 4, 8, 9, 13, 17 years old? Was the Holy Spirit not with Him then? I think it was? When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit came upon Him like a dove. But Jesus did not sin ever in His life. Surely the Spirit was with Him in every day of his life since He was formed in His mother's womb? These are hard things to understand.

please explain how you believe that jesus was in the tomb for "three" days. upon reading the gospels in the nt, i only come up with 1 1/2 days (from friday evening before the sabboth until just before dawn of sunday, the day after the sabboth).

 

[Paul]

please explain how you believe that jesus was in the tomb for "three" days. upon reading the gospels in the nt, i only come up with 1 1/2 days (from friday evening before the sabboth until just before dawn of sunday, the day after the sabboth).

sniper, I do not want to change the OP by talking about this subject here, check out the answer in this post from a while back: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/11998-what-was-the-starting-point-for-the-3-days-and-3-nights-prophecy/page__p__84150__hl__three%20day%20three%20nights__fromsearch__1&#entry84150
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