Not faith alone?

[justbyfaith]

@Blood Bought 1953,

Are you aware of the promises of God in scripture that tell us that we don't have to sin?

Here are a few:

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9;

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10;

1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6;

I John 3:6, 1 John 2:17, Colossians 2:11 (nlt).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I think so. Peter said, "whoever suffers in the body is done with sin." Just because I'm not going to be one of those doesn't mean others won't be. I'm not going to project my experience onto others. I just know Paul said God's grace "teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives". You say it was given to us so we can say yes to ungodliness if we want...and still be saved. That's called greasy grace. That's called making grace a license to sin. Grace is not a license to sin. You say it is.

No , what I “ really” say to you is.... “ Pfffttttt”....”Grace is NOT a License to Sin” .....Grace is a Blood-Bought necessity to “ get us Home” ......people can “ think” it is a License to Sin and they are free to “ act” on that damnable Notion......lets just sit back and see how that line of thinking works out for them....
Jesus said ( using Paul as His Secretary , as He always did after His Ascension) That “ ALL things are Lawful” ......we need to discuss “ that” sometime ......I bet that’s Another Bible Verse that puts a knot in your panties , just like “ where Sin Abounds, Grace abounds
that much more ......”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Actually, the Lord supplies the faith through preaching (Romans 10:17).

Yes, that is True......Faith itself is a Gift Of God......that would pretty much leave us with “ Nothing to Glory of” , wouldn’t it ? It’s “ ALL” of Him, and NONE of us—— just the Way God wants it....ALL Glory goes to Jesus....If you can’t accept that , you got no Business there ....and you ain’t gonna make it anyhow....sorry about that ...( speaking generically here...not personally, JBF )

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus said ( using Paul as His Secretary , as He always did after His Ascension) That “ ALL things are Lawful”

The devil quoted half-verses to Jesus...so it's not wise to do that.

Here are the verses you are thinking of...

1Co 6:12, All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Co 10:23, All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

These verses teach us that our standard of conduct is such that there is no behaviour that will condemn us through the law...

However, Paul is saying that there is behaviour that we are to avoid as Christians...

1) behaviour that will cause an addiction in your life

2) behaviour that will not edify, or build you up in the faith

3) behaviour that isn't expedient; iow, that isn't beneficial.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

@Blood Bought 1953,

Are you aware of the promises of God in scripture that tell us that we don't have to sin?

Here are a few:

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9;

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10;

1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6;

I John 3:6, 1 John 2:17, Colossians 2:11 (nlt).

Nobody “ has” to sin.... but we do.Thank God for His Grace and His Loving Chastisement when we sin.....He disciplines His Wayward Children the same way I do my Children .....they don’t like , sometimes they don’t understand it , but it’s for their own God....Be grateful For His Loving Correction—— if you do t receive it , it’s because you are a “ Bastard” Child .....not one of His....
Want to be Guaranteed you are “ one of His?” REST in Paul’s Gospel Of pure Grace , given to Paul personally by Jesus, and you are Forever Saved.....1Cor15 1-4......God Bless.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The devil quoted half-verses to Jesus...so it's not wise to do that.

Here are the verses you are thinking of...

1Co 6:12, All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Co 10:23, All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

These verses teach us that our standard of conduct is such that there is no behaviour that will condemn us through the law...

However, Paul is saying that there is behaviour that we are to avoid as Christians...

1) behaviour that will cause an addiction in your life

2) behaviour that will not edify, or build you up in the faith

3) behaviour that isn't expedient; iow, that isn't beneficial.

True, but nevertheless it STILL stands—— ALL things are Lawful .By NO means does that mean to go out and DO “ all things”.....
I just wanted to throw that verse out there .....chances are, you never hear that verse talked about in your local Church.....I could almost fill a Bible with all the things I never learned in church ....Ironic....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“ ALL things are Lawful”

What a stupid teaching our wonderful church has given us. How can Paul say all things are lawful and then insist that the church expel the man for sleeping with his father's wife? What a stupid teaching. Who's teaching you this crap? If all things were lawful we would not need paragraph upon paragraph of NT writings telling us what is unlawful (sinful) and what is not.

1 John 3:4
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

“ where Sin Abounds, Grace abounds

This can't mean you can purposely sin all you want and be under the protection of God's grace. Think about it. There would be no such thing as making grace a license to sin if "where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more" meant you can purposely sin all you want and have the protection of God's grace. Who's teaching you this crap? I wouldn't want to be them on the day of God's wrath. Listen to John instead. He said the person who is abusing the grace of God by purposely living in sin is not born again. He is showing that he has no change of nature from which to live for God.

 

[theefaith]

what about Pastors/ Teachers ?

do they exist today ?

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Yep those appointed by and remain subject to the bishops

 

[ChristisGod]

Yep those appointed by and remain subject to the bishops

where are these bishops found ?

any particular denomination ?

 

[theefaith]

They've done irreparable harm to the church. That's just my honest opinion. I'm not their judge, though. God will determine the extent of their guilt. We needed a reformation away from the corruption of the Catholic church but they just took us in another direction of corruption in my opinion. But like I say, that matter is between them and God. The rest of us have to discern what they taught using the Bible and the conviction of the Holy Spirit as our guide. And we in turn stand alone before God with what we did with the anointing we have received to discern the real truth. It's every man for himself now. Haven't we learned anything from the example of the Israelites?

With the Bible and the False belief that your guided by the HS has produced 20000 false sects and denominations talk about corruption! The one true church founded by Christ on Peter the apostles and their successors cannot teach error or be corrupted, Matt 16:18 the gates of hell shall not!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is with us, lo, even to the end of the age via the HOLY SPIRIT. Christ is in us and among us by the Holy Spirit.

Why don’t you have unity of faith in all these sects?

 

[theefaith]

As long as they stick to the script, and are called to do that, they can. What I'm against is those who are sure they are doing that and are called but really aren't. And they try to bully us into accepting their supposed authority with scare tactics. Any time you have a church or a leader that won't hold the door open for you to go where you want to go you're dealing with a carnal, unspiritual, unsent man.

2:Tim 4:3

 

[theefaith]

Such as luther and calvin in defense of the perpetual virginity of Mary?

Do you believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary?

 

[theefaith]

where are these bishops found ?

any particular denomination ?

There are no denominations only the one true church founded by on Peter and the apostles and their successors

 

[ChristisGod]

There are no denominations only the one true church founded by on Peter and the apostles and their successors

so where can I find a bishop today ?

can you point a person in the right direction ?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

What a stupid teaching our wonderful church has given us. How can Paul say all things are lawful and then insist that the church expel the man for sleeping with his father's wife? What a stupid teaching. Who's teaching you this crap? If all things were lawful we would not need paragraph upon paragraph of NT writings telling us what is unlawful (sinful) and what is not.

1 John 3:4
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


This can't mean you can purposely sin all you want and be under the protection of God's grace. Think about it. There would be no such thing as making grace a license to sin if "where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more" meant you can purposely sin all you want and have the protection of God's grace. Who's teaching you this crap? I wouldn't want to be them on the day of God's wrath. Listen to John instead. He said the person who is abusing the grace of God by purposely living in sin is not born again. He is showing that he has no change of nature from which to live for God.

The Holy Spirit inspired EVERYTHING that Paul penned.....the man was merely Jesus’ Secretary after Jesus returned to Heaven......It was Jesus that told Paul to write that “Crap”.... “All things are Lawful” ... deal with it.....1Cor6:12..... “ All things are Lawful for me, but not all things are beneficial— I will not let anything master me”.......

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Holy Spirit inspired EVERYTHING that Paul penned.....the man was merely Jesus’ Secretary after Jesus returned to Heaven......It was Jesus that told Paul to write that “Crap”.... “All things are Lawful” ... deal with it.....1Cor6:12..... “ All things are Lawful for me, but not all things are beneficial— I will not let anything master me”.......

He's repeating what the Corinthians said (it's a quote of a famous philosopher, I think). Then he rebuts it. "All things are lawful" is in direct contradiction to what Paul said in other places and what the Bible says. Deal with it! Did you just decide to ignore the verse I posted that makes it impossible that God was inspiring Paul to teach the church that "all things are lawful"?

1 John 3:4 Deal with it!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There are no denominations only the one true church founded by on Peter and the apostles and their successors

The Catholic church is a denomination.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

2:Tim 4:3

The Catholic church is one of them!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why don’t you have unity of faith in all these sects?

Because they are sects—offshoots of the true faith that Jesus and the Apostles taught. We know they are offshoots because they have deviated from the scriptures. The Catholic church prides themselves in having the authority to be able to do that. The Protestants don't assume such an authority. They just interpret the scriptures wrong.