Not faith alone?

[theefaith]

The Catholic church is a denomination.

No it is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18
Jn 10:16 one true body of Christ
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[theefaith]

The one true church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error Lk 10:16

 

[theefaith]

Because they are sects—offshoots of the true faith that Jesus and the Apostles taught. We know they are offshoots because they have deviated from the scriptures. The Catholic church prides themselves in having the authority to be able to do that. The Protestants don't assume such an authority. They just interpret the scriptures wrong.

Only the one true church has the guarantee of the HS
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The one true church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error Lk 10:16

The one true church is invisible as an institution. The one true church is composed of each individual true believer who believes and trusts in the blood of Christ. There are some in your church. There are some in this church, and some in that church. But none of us true believers are represented by a distinct, visible ruling entity or institution at this time. That ended a very, very long time ago. Before the Catholic church. God's people are dispersed among the nations of the world and will be called home and brought together at the return of Christ.

 

[theefaith]

The one true church is invisible as an institution. The one true church is composed of each individual true believer who believes and trusts in the blood of Christ. There are some in your church. There are some in this church, and some in that church. But none of us true believers are represented by a distinct, visible ruling entity or institution at this time. That ended a very, very long time ago. Before the Catholic church. God's people are dispersed among the nations of the world and will be called home and brought together at the return of Christ.

Christ founded the one true church on Peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18 18:18 28:19

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

Visible

Jn 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(The apostles)
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Only Peter and the apostles and their successors have the teaching authority of Christ with the guarantee of the Holy Spirit! Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Acts 2

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christ founded the one true church on Peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18 18:18 28:19

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

Visible

Jn 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(The apostles)
——————

Only Peter and the apostles and their successors have the teaching authority of Christ with the guarantee of the Holy Spirit! Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Acts 2

I resist this denominational teaching. Just the simple fact that the present Catholic church is in deviation from the scriptures shows us, even by your measure, that they are not the extension of Christ's church in this day and time.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Let me go beyond “ Christianity 101”...... May I just go ahead and reveal the Entire Course ? Total Christianity in a Nutshell ( with thanks to the Great Bible Teacher, Zola Levitt ) “ You are DIRTY...you can’t go to Heaven “ Dirty”.....Only Jesus can cleanse you.....Ask Him to “ Cleanse” you....He Will.....” Only “ HE “ can make you Fit For Heaven....Trust in Him alone and He will....” Everything else is “ window dressing” to a large extent. “ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved Will be Saved”
I hope those new to the Faith will always remember that verse.... Romans 10:3....The ONUS for Salvation is squarely upon “God's” Shoulders ....Two Things and Two Things ONLY Save us.....Christ’s Blood and OUR Faith.....YOU supply the FAITH— HE supplies the rest.....God Bless...

And yet you say we are NOT clean inside until that happens over a period of time. And so God looks the other way when it comes to the outside of your cup, preferring to concentrate on the inside of the cup instead, basically giving the believer a pass on what you call outside of the cup stuff.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nobody “ has” to sin.... but we do.Thank God for His Grace and His Loving Chastisement when we sin.....He disciplines His Wayward Children the same way I do my Children .....they don’t like , sometimes they don’t understand it , but it’s for their own God....Be grateful For His Loving Correction—— if you do t receive it , it’s because you are a “ Bastard” Child .....not one of His....
Want to be Guaranteed you are “ one of His?” REST in Paul’s Gospel Of pure Grace , given to Paul personally by Jesus, and you are Forever Saved.....1Cor15 1-4......God Bless.....

Nobody "has" to sin....but we do...

If we don't have to sin, and, according to even your teaching, if we are born again we no longer want to sin, how is it that anyone who is born again sins?

Don't want to + don't have to = no sinning from my perspective.

What do you say?

He's repeating what the Corinthians said (it's a quote of a famous philosopher, I think).

Paul, when he says that "all things are lawful" is reiterating his own teaching in Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, and Hebrews 7:18-19.

No it (the Catholic Church) is the one true church

If it claims to be the one true church, then that would classify it as a cult.

Only the one true church has the guarantee of the HS

The Holy Spirit is promised to all who will believe in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and that is not only those who have joined the Catholic Church and submit to its institutions.

Claiming to be the one true church and the only organization that, if you belong to, you will have the Holy Spirit elevates the Catholic Church to cult status impaho. At one time I thought that it was a denomination; but this new information makes me think of it as a cult.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The one true church is invisible as an institution. The one true church is composed of each individual true believer who believes and trusts in the blood of Christ. There are some in your church. There are some in this church, and some in that church. But none of us true believers are represented by a distinct, visible ruling entity or institution at this time. That ended a very, very long time ago. Before the Catholic church. God's people are dispersed among the nations of the world and will be called home and brought together at the return of Christ.

I have heard it put “this” way.....Since the days of Jesus there has “ always “ been a “red thread of Blood ” marching throughout history.... representing Jesus True Church no matter what is going on in the rest of the World...They May be silent and they may be secret, but from the time that Jesus left this world, until the time He returns, Rest assured— somebody out there is “ getting it right”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Nobody "has" to sin....but we do...

If we don't have to sin, and, according to even your teaching, if we are born again we no longer want to sin, how is it that anyone who is born again sins?

Don't want to + don't have to = no sinning from my perspective.

What do you say?


I say the same thing that Jesus did.....” If you even THINK about having sex with somebody , you are as guilty as an Adulterer .....How is “ YOUR” Thought Life Doing?
Even if you “DO” EVERYTHING, you STILL have Sin problems.....how many Strangers did you invite into your home today to Feed and Clothe? That’s what I thought.....Those are called “ Sins Of OMISSION and you have failed utterly in that department —- even more than the other Department......
You need to “ give it up” and start Trusting in God’s Grace——THAT is God’s Way to handle sin

We don’t HAVE to Sin and we should not even “want” to, but we are Human and we are going to mess up many times in our Christian Walk—-we are not sinners because we sin.....we Sin because we are Sinners.
Sinning in the Life Of a Christian should diminish as God does HIS WORK of Transforming us into the Image Of His Son.....But The last bits of the “ Old Man” is going to be hanging around us at least until the Day we make it HOME...

 

[justbyfaith]

Nobody "has" to sin....but we do...

If we don't have to sin, and, according to even your teaching, if we are born again we no longer want to sin, how is it that anyone who is born again sins?

Don't want to + don't have to = no sinning from my perspective.

What do you say?


I say the same thing that Jesus did.....” If you even THINK about having sex with somebody , you are as guilty as an Adulterer .....How is “ YOUR” Thought Life Doing?
Even if you “DO” EVERYTHING, you STILL have Sin problems.....how many Strangers did you invite into your home today to Feed and Clothe? That’s what I thought.....Those are called “ Sins Of OMISSION and you have failed utterly in that department —- even more than the other Department......
You need to “ give it up” and start Trusting in God’s Grace——THAT is God’s Way to handle sin

We don’t HAVE to Sin and we should not even “want” to, but we are Human and we are going to mess up many times in our Christian Walk—-we are not sinners because we sin.....we Sin because we are Sinners.
Sinning in the Life Of a Christian should diminish as God does HIS WORK of Transforming us into the Image Of His Son.....But The last bits of the “ Old Man” is going to be hanging around us at least until the Day we make it HOME...

So, are you saying that we have to sin because sin is defined by what is in the heart rather than what is on the outside? All this teaching about Jesus cleansing the inside of the cup and platter...however I don't think that you really believe that He is able to do that.

I trust that God's grace is able to change me from the inside out (2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv))...

If we don't have to sin and we also don't want to sin, then what factor causes us to sin? Because you say that we don't have to sin and that as born again believers, neither do we want to; but that nevertheless we will sin...

My question to you is why would anyone sin if they don't have to and also don't want to sin? What factor remains as a factor that compels us to sin if those two factors have been dealt with?

If the old man is the factor, then what about the old man is the factor that causes us to sin? That we still want to sin or that we still have to because of the old man? Is there another factor that I am missing?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Put up or shut up time —- who is preaching that “ Grace” is a “ License to Sin?” Not me .Nor Anybody that I have ever listened to....
Grace is what Covers the Sins Of the Believer until he makes it “ home”....

I will show you that you are teaching that grace is a license to sin.

Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

According to the passage does grace give you a license to trample on grace by deliberately sinning?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

People are not even “ aware” of all of their daily sins

You are not accountable for sins you are not aware of.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes, TRUSTING in and Seizing that Grace That God, in His unbelievable Mercy provided for Believers that “ Stumble” , is NOT the same thing as “ taking” that Grace as a “ License to Sin” ....

But you have been saying grace covers purposely sinning, not just stumbling. Is purposely sinning making grace a license to sin? If not, why not?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Grace Grace is what “ Super Abounds” whenever Sin abounds ( God's Promise— NOT mine)

Does grace abound for the sin of insulting the Spirit of grace (purposely sinning)? If you say yes then you are saying grace is a license to sin. And you would be in disagreement with the verses that say the punishment for purposely insulting the Spirit of grace is the raging fires where the enemies of God go.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Paul, when he says that "all things are lawful" is reiterating his own teaching in Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, and Hebrews 7:18-19.

No, murder, for example, is not now lawful under grace. Paul is stating the Corinthians rationalization for being able to sin. They have misunderstood the message of grace to mean they can now sin.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christ founded the one true church on Peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18 18:18 28:19

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

Visible

Jn 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(The apostles)
——————

Only Peter and the apostles and their successors have the teaching authority of Christ with the guarantee of the Holy Spirit! Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Acts 2

Christ is with us to the very end of the age via the Holy Spirit who all believers have in them. And we have the Bible record of the Apostles teachings, so we don't need a pope to carry those teachings on.

 

[ChristisGod]

Christ is with us to the very end of the age via the Holy Spirit who all believers have in them. And we have the Bible record of the Apostles teachings, so we don't need a pope to carry those teachings on.

Yes we as individuals are Gods Temple and He does not dwell in buildings made by man.

Acts 7:48
However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands.

Acts 17:24
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.

John 2:21
But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Ephesians 2:22
And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.

hope this helps !!!

 

[theefaith]

I resist this denominational teaching. Just the simple fact that the present Catholic church is in deviation from the scriptures shows us, even by your measure, that they are not the extension of Christ's church in this day and time.

So the gates of hell have prevailed again Christ church? Or is your understanding of the scripture is wrong, for example
Mary is the mother of God

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So the gates of hell have prevailed again Christ church?

No, the people in the real church of God's people broke free of those gates when they got born again. And each of us born again people exist individually in various parts of the world. As a whole we make up the true church of God. We will be brought together into an identifiable and visible entity at the end of the age.