The translation process can do that in any type of document. Your KJV has the same discrepancies, only a nut-case would say otherwise.
Dead in Sin !
- Thread starter brightfame52
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
I John 1:10
If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
While 1 John 1:8 is referring to indwelling sin in the present, 1 John 1:10 is referring to practical sins in the past.
Call me a nut case if you like, you wouldn't be the first one to do that.
There is no discrepancy in the kjv (or in any of the other versions) between an accurate understanding of 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17.
The latter verses teach that we can walk in freedom and victory over practical sinning in the present and in the future.
The first of these verses (1 John 1:8) teaches us that we all have a nature of sin; and that the element of sin dwells within each one of us.
Does this mean that it is inevitable but that we will commit sin?
No; because the element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) and therefore inept; so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).
I want to say thank you for providing me another opportunity to espouse one of my favourite doctrines in the Bible.
Whether or not I have a mental illness (which I do; and I find solace in the fact that the Lord's power is made perfect in my weakness, 2 Corinthians 12:9), the things that I am saying to you are biblical and they are based in sound doctrine of the word of the Lord.
(As concerning my mental illness, the fact that I know that I have one makes me all the more reliant upon the Holy Spirit and prayer when I make my posts.)
CharismaticLady
Well-Known Member
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
No only Jesus was SINLESS. Try reading and believing the bible. All have sinned and there is none righteous no not one. The one who says he has not sinned is a liar and the truth is not in him.
hope this helps!!!
CharismaticLady
Well-Known Member
We were all slaves of sin until Jesus frees us. John 8:32-36. If you say you are not a slave to sin as these Pharisees did, then you are a liar. But whom the Son frees from sin is free indeed. Jesus came to make sinners children of God, which you can't be if you are a slave to sin. He takes the sin nature out of us when we come to Him and nails it on the cross. We are no longer bound to its desires. We are free to choose, and we choose righteousness, because we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells inside of us. Anyone without the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. That's the gospel in a nutshell, but you can't accept it?
There will be no slaves of sin in heaven. Revelation 22:11.
Last edited:
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
well missy we live in this world and heaven is in the future. in the meantime sin is a reality.
next...........................................
CharismaticLady
Well-Known Member
The truth shall set you free. John 8:32(-36) Unfortunately, "the truth" is NOT what they teach in Calvinism.
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Having talked with both of you, I believe this disagreement comes down to a difference in terminology. Correct me if I wrong anywhere here--
Both of you agree on the following:
- Each of us humans has imperfections and the natural inclination to go against what the Lord commands. We can be prideful, lazy, etc.
- Before coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Coming to Christ doesn't give a person a license to break the Lord's commands whenever we want.
- After coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Said actions which go against the Lord's commands are wrong.
- Said actions can indeed be erased through the blood of Christ.
The difference is the term used for those actions that go against the Lord's commands. Myself and @Christophany both call these actions "sins". @CharismaticLady does not call them "sins". Different words being used, but extremely similar messages being intended.
CharismaticLady
Well-Known Member
You may not put that label on it, but Calvinism has permeated into most Protestant denominational thinking, even Pentecostals, except the only denomination of the Reformation that wasn't effected because of its founder, John Wesley. "4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy."
CharismaticLady
Well-Known Member
There is a larger gap between he and I than semantics. We are accountable for what we teach. James 3:1
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
like hagin,copeland, osteen, johnson you are a name it claim it, prosperity gospel, charismatic, pentecostal, faith healing, word of faith, sinless perfectionist false teacher.
how does that sound about right correct ? just like hagin,copeland, osteen, johnson and all the others who teach exactly what you teach on this forum. You fit their teachings to a tee.
Last edited:
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
HAHA I thought of a funny..
We have this saying.. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
That's the Old Law.
This the New Law:
Sticks and stones may break your bones, and every word that comes out your heart and out your mouth, may kill you.
HUGS
We have this saying.. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
That's the Old Law.
This the New Law:
Sticks and stones may break your bones, and every word that comes out your heart and out your mouth, may kill you.
HUGS
Could you help me figure out where the meaning differs from what I posted? (Re-posting below for convenience)
Both of you agree on the following:
- Each of us humans has imperfections and the natural inclination to go against what the Lord commands. We can be prideful, lazy, etc.
- Before coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Coming to Christ doesn't give a person a license to break the Lord's commands whenever we want.
- After coming to Christ, at some point every person will make an action which against what the Lord commands.
- Said actions which go against the Lord's commands are wrong.
- Said actions can indeed be erased through the blood of Christ.
Romans 3:10-18 is qualified by verses 9 and 19. In v.9, it shows that it is speaking of Jews and Gentiles. There is a third group...the church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32). In v.19, it shows that verses 10-18 are speaking of those who are under the law and that those verses don't apply to those who are not under the law. That Christians aren't under the law is evident in Romans 6:14.
1 John 1:8 is speaking of indwelling sin, not practical sins. Otherwise it contradicts 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17.
Fact of the matter is, we all have the element of sin dwelling in our mortal flesh. However, this element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14). The element of sin isn't eradicated, it is rendered inept.
Therefore this idea that we will inevitably sin in the future is heretical and false doctrine. It is indeed possible to live a life of freedom (John 8:31-36) and victory (1 Corinthians 15:57) over sin for the rest of our lives (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10).
Last edited:
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Psa 119:50 This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.
quicken: hebrew
to live, whether literally or figuratively; causatively, to revive:—keep (leave, make) alive, certainly, give (promise) life, (let, suffer to) live, nourish up, preserve (alive), quicken, recover, repair, restore (to life), revive, ( God) save (alive, life, lives), surely, be whole.
Psa 71:20 Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.
Again?? hmm
Psa 143:10 Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.
Psa 143:11 Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name's sake: for thy righteousness' sake bring my soul out of trouble.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
(For it is appointed unto man once to die.. for all have sinned and fall short)
quicken:greek
to make one alive together
of Christians, with Christ
Ephesians 2:5; σύν τῷ Χριστῷ, Colossians 2:13; in both of these passages new moral life is referred to.
When you are dead in sin, your not keeping God's commandments.
You know the 10, that Jesus combined down into 2 easier ones to remember..
because for some reason 10 was just too many..
When you are quickened, revived, made alive, is when you turn to God and do what he says.
That is to Keep His Commandments.
Love God with all your heart and mind and might
(or soul) it is the body through which the will manifests itself.
punch kick touch hug.. you have to will it to do it.
Everything you are inside and out.
Bringing every thought and every action unto subjection in him.
Love they neighbour as thyself.
Don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't bear false witness. don't covet your neighbors wife or that lamborghini...
This is the process of being quickened..
turning from darkness to light.
turning from disobedience to obedience.
From being lawless to lawful.
Do we fall back? Yes we do.
Will he forgive if we aks his forgiveness? He says he will.
How many times Lord, 7 times? Jesus said.. 7 times 77..
this is Grace.
Just 2... that's all he asks.. just 2.
HUGS
Similar threads
