It is of importance to note that the "son that was given" shall have the name "The everlasting Father" among other names. And that the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall perform this. (Isaiah 9:6-7)
If Baptism could save then there is no need for the shed Blood of Jesus.
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The first mention of baptism in holy scripture has John the Baptist baptizing people in the Jordan river (in water!).
This teaching was indeed present in the times of the New Testament...in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.
Think!!! Just give an honest answer to this question===How many people have got baptized to please mother, wife and friends but are still unbelievers on the road to hell?????????? A baptized unbeliever is just a wet unbeliever!
Acts 22:16 describes the OPPOSITE of <<an initiation into the faith of Jesus Christ>> and of how <<we appropriate the blood of Jesus>-- Hebrews 9:20, "This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you (Hebrew readers - Israel of old). 21Moreover he – Moses – sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22And almost all things are by the law – of Moses – purged with blood; and without shedding of blood – as to the Law of Moses – there was no remission (of sin)."
Acts 22:15 "thou Paul shalt be witness (of the Just One Jesus Christ) unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord."
"arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord"
"arising (not going down) to baptise/to baptism and to washing your sins"--literal-- did Paul wash away his sins? No! But "BY INVOKING THE NAME" : as Jesus commanded, "Baptise IN THE NAME", not in water!
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CadyandZoe
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So, you're saying that it's important that we use the name of Jesus Christ in baptism rather than the titles.
The first mention of baptism in holy scripture has John baptizing in the Jordan river (in water!).
Still flogging your false doctrines GISMYS
You should believe Jesus.
Jesus didn't say get saved and then get baptised.
Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That is Belief + Baptism = Salvation.
CadyandZoe
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When someone makes a claim or a statement that is so easily refuted, then you should realize that, and give the other person the benefit of the doubt. Paul asked the disciples 'into what were you baptized?" Their response was not "into water." What was their response? "Into John's baptism." Isn't it clear that the disciples aren't using the term "baptism" according to the dictionary definition? In this instance, the disciples are using the term "baptism" as a metonym, representing John's teaching. Getting into a basin of water isn't the point.
Jesus expects us to THINK!!! Baptism will not save a unbeliever!! If you are a nonbeliever baptism only gets you wet!!!! Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized not baptized to be saved but baptized because you have been saved and choose to obey Jesus!
CadyandZoe
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Again, baptism is a metonym representing the teaching of Jesus. As Peter says, it isn't the water that saves you.
No good 'free-will choice' false Roman Catholic dogmatic intimidation. <<choose to obey Jesus!>> what figment of the pervert's imagination.
God does not force people to believe in Him Belief or not is your choice!!!
Basically, the first mention of a word in scripture defines the use of that word ever afterward.
Therefore the fact that the first mention of baptism in scripture has it referring to baptism in water, means that baptism is in water ever afterwards.
There is one baptism (Ephesians 4:5) not two...a baptism in water and a baptism in the Spirit.
In Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39, we find baptism in water procuring a promise of being baptized in the Spirit.
This is one baptism...the person is born of water and the Spirit (John 3:5) via the promise in holy scripture that we find in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.
I didn't say baptism saves an unbeliever on its own. Nor did Jesus.
Jesus said BELIEVE and be Baptised
Belief + Baptism = Salvation according to Jesus.
Where does Jesus say be baptised because you have been saved? Answer - he doesn't.
Baptism is part of the process of being saved.
Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Mt 28:19-20). Baptism and teaching people to make disciples of them.
You need to believe Jesus not your own inventions.
No, baptism isn't a metonym.
Baptism is a ritual which uses water. The ritual, of which water is used does save you.
Peter says so: "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you". (1Pet 3:21)
I can't understand why some people have a hard time understanding what is clear in scripture.
CadyandZoe
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In my experience, often times "clarity" is confused with "familiarity." What a passage clearly means to me is how I have always understood it. But maybe familiarity isn't the best gauge of what is actually true?
So what part of "baptism saves you now" doesn't mean "baptism saves you now"?
And you imply that if you have been given a false understanding, so that is what you have always understood it to mean, then that is what it actually means. No correction is possible.
False logic!!
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