Was Pope John Paul II wrong to kiss the Koran?

[Paul Christensen]

Then why isn't "Catholic" mentioned even once in the Bible?

The word "catholic" means universal. Up until the Bishop of Rome took over the overall leadership of it, the Christian church was a unified body presided over by regional bishops. In this sense it was the universal church and so the "catholic" label for the church was quite true. When the Bishop of Rome took over the leadership, the church became the Roman Catholic church; in other words, the universal church became the Roman church, incorporated into the New Holy Roman Empire, governed by emperors approved by the Holy See. This merged the religious with the political, with the Holy See dominating world politics as well as religious doctrine and practice.

 

[kcnalp]

Your total failure to understand plain English is at the root of your ignorance.

As I have repeatedly stated - you failed from the beginning.
I corrected you back in post #16 - I suggest you read that post . . .

Irony? ZERO "Catholic" in the Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Irony? ZERO "Catholic" in the Bible.

Like I said before - at least the wall has a personality . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The word "catholic" means universal. Up until the Bishop of Rome took over the overall leadership of it, the Christian church was a unified body presided over by regional bishops. In this sense it was the universal church and so the "catholic" label for the church was quite true. When the Bishop of Rome took over the leadership, the church became the Roman Catholic church; in other words, the universal church became the Roman church, incorporated into the New Holy Roman Empire, governed by emperors approved by the Holy See. This merged the religious with the political, with the Holy See dominating world politics as well as religious doctrine and practice.

Where do you guys get you manure from?

There is no "Roman Catholic Church" - just the Catholic Church. "Roman" just refers to ONE of about TWENTY Liturgical Rites.
As for when the Bishop of Rome "took over" - this happened in Matt. 16:18. In his treatise, Against Heresies in the later 2nd century - Irenaeus lists all of the Popes from his own time going ALL the way back to Peter.

Like I told your fellow ignorant anti-Catholics - do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that was Pope John Paul I, who died in mysterious circumstances shortly after being installed as Pope. Some say he was poisoned because he intended to expose the corruption in the Vatican and bring significant reforms.

Yes. I ALSO saw the Godfather Part III.
Get a grip on reality . . .

 

[kcnalp]

No "Catholic", no "Pope Peter", no "Purgatory ...
Not in the Christian Bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No "Catholic", no "Pope Peter", no "Purgatory ...
Not in the Christian Bible.

Where we get the name, "Catholic Church" (Acts 9:31)
Verses on Purgatory/Final Purification (2 Macc. 42-46, 1 Cor. 3:12-15, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35, Luke 12:58-59)

As for Peter - if he wasn't in charge . . .
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.
b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.
c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.
d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??
e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??
f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??
g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??
h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??
i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??
j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??
k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??
l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??
m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??
His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

When you san SOLIDLY refute all of the Scriptural proof above - then we can have an intelligent conversation.
UNTIL then, however - you have failed, as usual . . .

 

[Marymog]

Many are not aware there is a pope that is higher rank than the pope everyone sees and calls "the pope." The Jesuit Superior General ...or the "black pope."

Also, if you do a bit of research, you will find that the catholic and muslim religions both have Jesuit roots.

Are you being serious?

 

[Marymog]

No "Catholic", no "Pope Peter", no "Purgatory ...
Not in the Christian Bible.

No table of contents either so how do you know you are reading what God ordained as Scripture?

 

[Marymog]

Oh, I think 'asinine' is incorrect, and quite understating the reality of things.


Romanism - special exorcists
Islamism - special exorcists, called the ruqyah; al-Tibb al-Nabawi

Hi ReChoired,

Christ was an exorcist and he said: “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.”

So are you suggesting that a Christian man can not be an exorcist and do the works that Jesus did?

Curious Mary

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I would not ‘ touch” a Damned ( literally) Koran, much less kiss it.....

It’s pages might be suitable for wrapping fish or lining a bird cage—- that’s about it though......

The Koran is straight from Hell and yes, Allah is Satan in disguise .....

 

[kcnalp]

Where we get the name, "Catholic Church" (Acts 9:31)
Verses on Purgatory/Final Purification (2 Macc. 42-46, 1 Cor. 3:12-15, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35, Luke 12:58-59)

As for Peter - if he wasn't in charge . . .
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.
b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.
c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.
d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??
e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??
f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??
g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??
h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??
i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??
j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??
k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??
l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??
m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??
His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

When you san SOLIDLY refute all of the Scriptural proof above - then we can have an intelligent conversation.
UNTIL then, however - you have failed, as usual . . .

Peter wrote 2 tiny books in the NT. Paul wrote nearly half the NT.

"No "Catholic", no "Pope Peter", no "Purgatory ...
Not in the Christian Bible."

 

[kcnalp]

No table of contents either so how do you know you are reading what God ordained as Scripture?

2 Tim 3 All Scripture is God breathed ...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Peter wrote 2 tiny books in the NT. Paul wrote nearly half the NT.

Jesus is the HEAD of the Church (Col. 1:18) and He didn't write a SINGLE Book.

"No "Catholic", no "Pope Peter", no "Purgatory ...
Not in the Christian Bible."

Translation:
"I can't refute a SINGLE verse of Scripture that you presented."

That's wat I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

2 Tim 3 All Scripture is God breathed ...

Uh-uh - now, WHO told you that 2 Timothy was "Scripture"?
While you're at it - WHO told you that ANY of the New Testament is Scripture?

I'll wait right here for your answer . . .

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus is the HEAD of the Church (Col. 1:18) and He didn't write a SINGLE Book.

Jesus didn't need to write them. He is the Author.

Translation:
"I can't refute a SINGLE verse of Scripture that you presented."

That's wat I thought . . .

It can be difficult to "refute" a myth.

 

[kcnalp]

Uh-uh - now, WHO told you that 2 Timothy was "Scripture"?
While you're at it - WHO told you that ANY of the New Testament is Scripture?

I'll wait right here for your answer . . .

So you can't find Pope Peter, Purgatory or "Catholic" in the Christian Bible, so now you attack the Christian NT.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NKJV)
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus didn't need to write them. He is the Author.
I can be difficult to "refute" a myth.

And there's your problem in a nutshell.

YOU believe that 13 verses of the Word of God are a "myth".
I believe His Word is LIFE . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you can't find Pope Peter, Purgatory or "Catholic" in the Christian Bible, so now you attack the Christian NT.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NKJV)
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.

Sooooo - you CAN'T tell me WHO told you that 2 Timothy was "Scripture"?
You DON'T know WHO told you that ANY of the New Testament is Scripture?
That's what I thought . . .

While you're trying to find the answers to those 2 questions - please show me the verses that say "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone".
Oh - and please show me where the Bible tells us to "Accept Jesus as Personal Lord and Savior".

AGAIN - I'll wait right here for your answer . . .

 

[kcnalp]

And there's your problem in a nutshell.

YOU believe that 13 verses of the Word of God are a "myth".
I believe His Word is LIFE . . .

I say the NT is the written Word of God. What say you?