well he took it the same way I did so maybe you could be a little more clear the next time you throw out the word lie in a post.
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Mattathias
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101G
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if YOU took it that way as he said I have no control over anyone else.well he took it the same way I did so maybe you could be a little more clear the next time you throw out the word lie in a post.
so we suggest YOU govern yourself accordingly. meaning if YOU are a christian, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". there have been many things said about 101G, and many was not all Good, but you will never see 101G ever complain.
I know what they say is in ignorance. so I'll take the hit, but as with the aumor I have on it just bounce off.
I will never take anything personally, for I know who is my saviour, as the Holy Ghost said through the apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
so feeling we must out grow. for me enough said,
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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101G
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if we have I cannot remember..... if so where?
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Mattathias
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Simply in that someone who dwells in eternity will not cease to dwell in eternity, even if they were to leave eternity...for the nature of eternity is that those who dwell in eternity dwell in it for ever.
No kidding. You win some, you lose some. "Old Thumper" may have the desired effect many years later if the person to whom it is being used against will study the scriptures that the person utilizing "Old Thumper" is quoting to make their case. What matters is that they get there eventually; if they harden their hearts for the time being, but later come to the right conclusion because the case was made, the person utilizing "Old Thumper" has done their job.
101G
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your opinion? but give book chapter and verse from the bible to support this please.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Yes, my opinion. I don't have chapter and verse to support it, except for Isaiah 57:15, which tells us that God dwells in eternity.
The rest, I believe, you will have to think about and consider whether it is logical concerning the relationship between time and eternity. For I consider it to be a first truth.
101G
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Thanks for your honesty, but Isaiah 57:15 don't help you either in being left behind in eterinity.
but Philippians 2:6 -8 do tell us how God did that.
take care.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
To the OP I 100% agree. I find all of scripture both hinges this and falls apart when this is denied.
It has always been my contention that the only true understanding of the Trinity belongs to the three members that compose it. Deep, huh? Lol......
If you ain’t a Member Of the Trinity , it’s waaaaay too complicated to understand ....best to wait until we get to the Time and Place where ALL questions will be answered.....
If you ain’t a Member Of the Trinity , it’s waaaaay too complicated to understand ....best to wait until we get to the Time and Place where ALL questions will be answered.....
They can be answered now...
The Lord has given me an understanding of the Trinity and the following applies:
Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
You can read my understanding in the following thread (posts #1-#6):
True Trinity.
Well you are wrong since the Father is not the Son so your definition of the Trinity is false.
You are espousing the heresy of modalism, that the Father is the Son.
And PLEASE do not blame your misunderstanding of the Trinity on God. Your definition does not come from God or the Scriptures.
hope this helps !!!
I agree that the Father is not the Son.
My contention that you are disagreeing with is that the Son is the Father (Isaiah 9:6).
Therefore, since I have referenced scripture to support my pov, from whence I get my pov, my understanding does come from holy scripture (see also the scriptures referenced and quoted in the thread in question).
In fact you are in opposition to this boards Statement of Faith and Orthodoxy regarding the Trinity.
The below clearly outlines the core, closed-handed, and Christian orthodox issues that we expect members of Christianity Board to uphold. We accept that this declaration essentially defines Christianity for Christianity Board. Disagreement with the below, we believe, places one outside the realm of reasonable orthodox Christianity.
We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)
We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a completely sinless human life and offered himself freely on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all, according to God’s plan revealed from the beginning. After three days, Jesus arose from the dead to demonstrate his power over death. He ascended to heaven to await his future return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. (Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 9:6-7, Matthew 1:22-25, John 1:1-5, John 14:10-30, Acts 1:9-11, Romans 1:3-4, I Corinthians 15:3-4, I Timothy 6:14-15, Titus 2:3, Hebrews 4:14-15)
We believe that the Holy Spirit is equal with the Father and Son (Jesus). He is present in this world as an intercessor to make men and women aware of their need for Jesus the Christ. The Holy Spirit resides in every believer from the moment of salvation. He empowers the Christian with strength for living, understanding the truth, witnessing to others, and in doing what is right. (John 14:16-17, John 16:7-13, Acts 1:8, I Corinthians 2:12, I Corinthians 3:16, II Corinthians 3:17, Galatians 5:16-25, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 5:18-21)
No the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Son and the Holy Spirit is not the father or the Son.
This is the position of Scripture, Orthodoxy and the church throughout history. the Creeds, the church and Scripture places those who disagree outside of the faith.
hope this helps !!!
I will say that I believe that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35) and that He subsequently rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10) to even exist once again outside of time.
Yes you are since the 3 Persons of the Godhead/Trinity are not each other.
You just stated that the Jesus is the Father. He is not the Father of the Trinity, He is the Son.
hope this helps !!!
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