Who wants to Judge a Man of God who lives i Health and Prosperity??

[Heart2Soul]

Of course the Scripture says that the more God gives to a person, the more is expected of that person. If you are desiring greater wealth and prosperity then you need to be prepared for the extra responsibility that brings. If God gives you wealth and you use it just for yourself, then you could be in a position at the Judgment when it will be revealed that you embezzled what God gave you instead of being a good steward, obeying God in how He wants you to use the wealth He gives you. People like Kenneth Copeland, who is using his wealth for his own gratification, will be revealed as a thief and an embezzler of what God put in his care. The Scripture talks about the deceitfulness of riches, that draws the heart away from Christ. Jesus told the rich young ruler to give his riches away and to follow Him, not because the young man was wealthy, but that Jesus knew that his heart was in his wealth and the only way to get his heart right was to separate himself from his wealth. Because the young man's heart was in his wealth, it was dragging him down into hell, and in the end, it was not his wealth that blocked him from being able to follow Jesus, it was his heart that was in his wealth. Kenny Copeland preached that poor people are faithless and of no account to God. That shows how deceived the man is to believe a demonic doctrine like that.

You want to answer my questions I gave you or not? And I don't debate with presumption and what ifs. Sorry.
What I want is solid scriptures to test what you are sharing.

 

[Paul Christensen]

You want to answer my questions I gave you or not? And I don't debate with presumption and what ifs. Sorry.
What I want is solid scriptures to test what you are sharing.

I doubt that there would be any point. You seem to be so infused with the prosperity doctrine that any Scripture I quote will be contested. So keep listening to Kenny, Creflo, Joel and Joyce and be happy!

 

[Heart2Soul]

I doubt that there would be any point. You seem to be so infused with the prosperity doctrine that any Scripture I quote will be contested. So keep listening to Kenny, Creflo, Joel and Joyce and be happy!

See you do this all the time. One side makes a statement of faith and provide scriptures. Then you present the other side but do not provide scriptures. Paul I am open minded about listening to what others believe but allow me to test it.

 

[amadeus]

LOL!!! Most people lived a house even 2000 years ago!

Wrong house! Wrong emphasis! Wrong highway! Sinking into the water instead of walking on top of it! Why?

 

[justbyfaith]

And what is the house in these verses?

Obviously the literal interpretation is the accurate one...it is speaking of a literal physical house on the earth.

This is another case where you are misusing and applying scripture

This is the common excuse of those who don't want to accept the testimony of what the holy scriptures are saying to them.

I suggest you read Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, and Hebrews 4:7...then accuse me of misusing and misapplying that scripture.

The fact is that this world and everything in it will pass away, and that those who are friends with the world are no friends of God, and this includes those who hunger after worldly riches and goods.

Having them is not a sin though. It is the love of money that it the root of all evil.

All we can expect through God's grace is that we will be provided with shelter, food, and clothing;

Sell all that you have and give to the poor (including your computer).

Personally, I believe that certain aspects of wealth can be utilized to promote the gospel of Jesus Christ.

YOu misapply verses to think that God is a coin operated vending machine. Believe what we want and bingo, god will be a good guy and give us what we swish.

King James Version
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Why do you think it is that @GISMYS_7 has asked and received?

Yes the entire word of faith movement is from the devil and his cohorts in crime.

It has its virtues.

It is faithful to preach that we can obtain promises through faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).

And, while there are passages that seem to say that rich people are excluded from being able to obtain salvation through faith in Jesus, word of faith teaching preaches to them that they can indeed enter in through simple faith in Jesus.

 

[Paul Christensen]

See you do this all the time. One side makes a statement of faith and provide scriptures. Then you present the other side but do not provide scriptures. Paul I am open minded about listening to what others believe but allow me to test it.

There is quite a difference between hooking out random verses of Scripture to prove a point, and making comments consistent with what Scripture actually says about a doctrinal issue.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is quite a difference between hooking out random verses of Scripture to prove a point, and making comments consistent with what Scripture actually says about a doctrinal issue.

Scriptures that have been brought to remembrance by the Holy Spirit and shared in the power of the Spirit are anything but random.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Obviously the literal interpretation is the accurate one...it is speaking of a literal physical house on the earth.



This is the common excuse of those who don't want to accept the testimony of what the holy scriptures are saying to them.

I suggest you read Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, and Hebrews 4:7...then accuse me of misusing and misapplying that scripture.



Having them is not a sin though. It is the love of money that it the root of all evil.



Sell all that you have and give to the poor (including your computer).

Personally, I believe that certain aspects of wealth can be utilized to promote the gospel of Jesus Christ.



Why do you think it is that @GISMYS_7 has asked and received?



It has its virtues.

It is faithful to preach that we can obtain promises through faith (Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).

And, while there are passages that seem to say that rich people are excluded from being able to obtain salvation through faith in Jesus, word of faith teaching preaches to them that they can indeed enter in through simple faith in Jesus.

Without faith you cannot please God!!! and you??

 

[justbyfaith]

Without faith you cannot please God!!! and you??

Did you think that I was saying anything different?

 

[friend of]

1 Timothy 6:17-19
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

 

[Heart2Soul]

There is quite a difference between hooking out random verses of Scripture to prove a point, and making comments consistent with what Scripture actually says about a doctrinal issue.

You're comeback is just chatter. How about scripture? That's the only thing that I would consider with your argument.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Obviously the literal interpretation is the accurate one...it is speaking of a literal physical house on the earth.

Not correct. It is talking of the physical human body which will be dissolved and we will be given a new glorified body.

The reason why Jesus told the rich young ruler was not because he was rich, but his heart was in his riches and was a barrier to being able to follow Jesus. Jesus had a number of rich friends who provided funding for Him and His disciples, and He never told them to sell everything.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Not correct. It is talking of the physical human body which will be dissolved and we will be given a new glorified body.

The reason why Jesus told the rich young ruler was not because he was rich, but his heart was in his riches and was a barrier to being able to follow Jesus. Jesus had a number of rich friends who provided funding for Him and His disciples, and He never told them to sell everything.

Wait, what? Jesus had RICH friends? Lol...sigh.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Wait, what? Jesus had RICH friends? Lol...sigh.

Peter was a successful fisherman, as well as James, John and their father. They wouldn't have been short of a few shekels. Matthew was a tax collector, he, like Zacchaeus would have had a good income. Mary, Martha and Lazarus were not poor. They provided accommodation on many occasions for Jesus and His disciples. Mary and Joseph had a successful carpentry business, and Mary would have inherited it after Joseph's death. Also, at the wedding in Cana, Mary was one of the principal organisers, with authority to tell the servants what to do, so the householder wasn't short of a few shekels, having servants in the household. It doesn't take much common sense to see that not all Jesus' family, friends and acquaintances were on the bones of their acres financially. Have you ever wondered why Jesus never solicited funds, nor did He received "love offerings" during His ministry? He didn't always have to get money out of the mouth of a fish to pay His way. But then there are some religious people who leave their brains at home when they go to church.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Peter was a successful fisherman, as well as James, John and their father. They wouldn't have been short of a few shekels. Matthew was a tax collector, he, like Zacchaeus would have had a good income. Mary, Martha and Lazarus were not poor. They provided accommodation on many occasions for Jesus and His disciples. Mary and Joseph had a successful carpentry business, and Mary would have inherited it after Joseph's death. Also, at the wedding in Cana, Mary was one of the principal organisers, with authority to tell the servants what to do, so the householder wasn't short of a few shekels, having servants in the household. It doesn't take much common sense to see that not all Jesus' family, friends and acquaintances were on the bones of their acres financially. Have you ever wondered why Jesus never solicited funds, nor did He received "love offerings" during His ministry? He didn't always have to get money out of the mouth of a fish to pay His way. But then there are some religious people who leave their brains at home when they go to church.

Well Paul, I was only poking fun. I was under the impression you think being rich is sinful.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Well Paul, I was only poking fun. I was under the impression you think being rich is sinful.

I know we disagree on some points. That's what making our discussions fun. Being rich isn't sinful, but putting the quest for wealth before Christ is. There are many churches that are blessed by the wealthy people in it and their generosity is always appreciated. Being rich and a good steward of the wealth is a ministry we need in our churches.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I know we disagree on some points. That's what making our discussions fun. Being rich isn't sinful, but putting the quest for wealth before Christ is. There are many churches that are blessed by the wealthy people in it and their generosity is always appreciated. Being rich and a good steward of the wealth is a ministry we need in our churches.

Ahhh now you are speaking truth. I don't look at other churches I have keep looking inward at myself...church is fixing to change as we know it. I am highly anticipating the Great Fire and Glory of God.to be poured out upon us and we will rise up in the power of His might...so ready!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Ahhh now you are speaking truth. I don't look at other churches I have keep looking inward at myself...church is fixing to change as we know it. I am highly anticipating the Great Fire and Glory of God.to be poured out upon us and we will rise up in the power of His might...so ready!

I am currently watching Lester Sumrall's video set on the gifts of the Spirit. Very challenging and heart warming!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why do you think it is that @GISMYS_7 has asked and received?

Don't know! I don't have a tap on his prayer line with god, so I can't say what he has asked for and received!

I also know we can whine and cry and pout to god and He will give us what we want but with a price:

Psalm 106:14-16
King James Version

14 But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert.

15 And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.

Like Jesus said, what does it profit a man if they gain their whole world and lose their soul in the process.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I am currently watching Lester Sumrall's video set on the gifts of the Spirit. Very challenging and heart warming!

Lester Sumrall is one of my favorite preacher/teacher. Such a wise man of God.
Good for you! I know his teaching is founded on the Word of God so you are in good Godly counsel.