Exposing The Legalist (heretic)

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I am so thankful for all of your responses! It's like you just handed me jewels. This is really clicking for me.
And that is my reward—your joy, your happiness, your victory. It's very rare to encounter people like yourself hungry for the things of God, thirsty for righteousness. Pride locks so many people out of the blessings of these treasures of God I'm sharing with you. They are indeed treasures. The life these truths give are worth more than worldly wealth and security. They really are. You know that. You see that. And I'm rejoicing with you.
 
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The key to conquering selfish behavior is to recognize it for what it is. Learning what God's love looks like is best accomplished by knowing what it is not. By nature, everything that is not God's love is what comes out of us—wrath, back biting, hatred, etc. When we recognize those things for what they are, that's when we can change our mind about those things (a.k.a. repent). By nature, we view those things as normal and necessary and even just! But through knowledge the Spirit trains us to resist those things and draw on the peace of God inside of us instead. It's definitely a boot camp. But at the end of the day when we're all sitting around the camp fire singing Kumbya it's worth it. God gives peace and joy to the person who walks in the obedience of the Spirit. Your praise and worship will explode with the joy of the Lord. And your gift, whatever that is, will becomes energized with the power of God. Lot's to talk about here.

This is so appreciated. It's so unnatural and hard, but soaking in Christ really changes you. I seriously thought that I would be instantly changed and be on my merry way, haha.
 
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And that is my reward—your joy, your happiness, your victory. It's very rare to encounter people like yourself hungry for the things of God, thirsty for righteousness. Pride locks so many people out of the blessings of these treasures of God I'm sharing with you. They are indeed treasures. The life these truths give are worth more than worldly wealth and security. They really are. You know that. You see that. And I'm rejoicing with you.
I praise God because yes, I am very hungry. I lived too long in pride and deceit and it is dangerous and draining. By God's amazing and patient grace and loving chastisement I am here. Thank you for teaching, I trust this will bless someone else too!
 
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I praise God because yes, I am very hungry. I lived too long in pride and deceit and it is dangerous and draining. By God's amazing and patient grace I am here. Thank you for teaching, I trust this will bless someone else too!
Ever since learning these things many years ago I've longed to share these things with others. It changed my life and I want other people to be changed too. But I had kind of given up on doing that because the audience is so small (it's that 'the way is narrow and few people find it' thing). We'll talk more. You have been a blessing to me, thank you. It's sleepy time for me. And I think I've got the Covid thing too. I got tested negative last Friday but I guess I got tested too early. So I'll be in and out of the forum according to how it affects me.
 

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Ever since learning these things many years ago I've longed to share these things with others. It changed my life and I want other people to be changed too. But I had kind of given up on doing that because the audience is so small (it's that 'the way is narrow and few people find it' thing). We'll talk more. You have been a blessing to me, thank you. It's sleepy time for me. And I think I've got the Covid thing too. I got tested negative last Friday but I guess I got tested too early. So I'll be in and out of the forum according to how it affects me.

I am so thankful you shared them and I trust that this will surely be a blessing to others. These precious jewels of wisdom are truly worth cherishing. I will pray for you. Sleep well in Him!
 
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Ever since learning these things many years ago I've longed to share these things with others. It changed my life and I want other people to be changed too. But I had kind of given up on doing that because the audience is so small (it's that 'the way is narrow and few people find it' thing). We'll talk more. You have been a blessing to me, thank you. It's sleepy time for me. And I think I've got the Covid thing too. I got tested negative last Friday but I guess I got tested too early. So I'll be in and out of the forum according to how it affects me.
@Ferris Bueller Hoping you will be feeling okay...
 
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While learning all this, works of obedient love felt instant to me. I felt like I had arrived (in a good way). But the truth was I was just starting out on a life long journey of learning to respond to life's situations and trials with the love of God. It seems there's always a tougher trial ahead that requires a new degree of spiritual growth inside of us to conquer. It's like a weight lifter. He doesn't go to the gym to get strong so he can lift the same heavy weights over and over again with ease. He trains to lift heavier and heavier weights.
If faith we can always - always - overcome, and then we find the challenges greater. Well stated!

Much love!
 

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I am so thankful for all of your responses! It's like you just handed me jewels. This is really clicking for me. Thank you also for the suffering encouragement.

I hope if anyone else is in my position they heed this and don't hide away in shame, confusion, pride or works.

I also have/had back issues and agree with what you say.
@AlsoAnne Hi; the Epistle to the Philippians is also strong on the theme of believers in Christ being joyful in suffering.
 
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No, not EVERY enemy of the cross. There are also enemies of the cross that deny grace by continuing in their sin and make no effort to resist sin and live righteously. They believe the false teaching that says if the believer is under obligation to walk according to the Spirit that is a works gospel. And so their lives follow suit—they don't walk according to the Spirit. Surprise, surprise! Right? Lol. But like I said, that's how Jesus said you recognize false teachers and believers and their teachings. The end result of their false beliefs is the hypocrisy of their unrighteousness. Just as that is true for the person who believes salvation is earned by doing works. In both cases, their own hypocrisy rats them out.
I think these describe the two ditches on either side of the road, and our true path is in the renewal of the mind, something that can be quicker or slower, but remains a process.

In faith we overcome, because in Christ we have overcome.

Much love!
 

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Thank you. I felt very good last evening. And I feel very good this morning.
I'm going to go get a Covid test this morning. The county wasn't testing yesterday.
Thank you for the update! Hopefully you will know soon. If you drink broth, I highly recommend it!
 
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@Behold

I'm surprised you didn't mention what I believe. And here I thought you thought I was a heretic! Thanks. Actually, I'm against false teachers too. So that, at least, we have in common. :)

im not aware that you believe that you can lose your salvation.
You define yourself as a Charismatic, and all Charismatic denominations, ALL, except for the "word of faith" group, believe and teach Legalism to the extreme.
If you think you can lose your Salvation, then you are a legalist.
 

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Jesus said the hypocrisy of the false teacher is how you know them.\

There are many false doctrines.
Read Hebrews 13:9 for an update.
This particular Thread is dealing with the main one.....that defines all Heretics.
That's Legalsim, and you will know them, based on what they Do with this phrase../
= "The FINISHED work, of JESUS, on the Cross".
The Legalist will teach that this work is not finished, that Salvation is only begun, and we are to complete it by "enduring, or abiding, or commandment keeping, or whatever other self effort is on your list that has become your Faith".
 

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No, not EVERY enemy of the cross. .

All legalist's are enemies of the Cross.
The "Cross" is the Grace of God.
So, to deny that this alone keeps you saved, as well as SAVED you, = Is Legalsim, and this teaching is the enemy of the Cross as its in opposition to God's Grace.
 

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Abiding in Christ and the Father, bearing the fruit of righteousness, is the SIGN that you are crucified with Christ. But we have a church full of hypocrites running around in their uncircumcised lives claiming they are circumcised by the Spirit in a putting off of the flesh. That is literally the definition of hypocrisy—claiming to be set free from the deeds of the flesh through faith in Christ and then not living set free from the deeds of the flesh. Ain't no grace gonna cover 'dat sin! Jesus said hypocrites go to the lake of fire.

You are not saved by Abiding, and you are not Kept Saved by Abiding.
Abiding, as you are defining it, is YOU doing for yourself, what on Christ has already Accomplished 2000 yrs ago for ALL the born again.
So, That's Legalism you are spewing, and that theology is at odds with The Cross.
Rethink your position, and instead give Christ alone all credit due Him for saving you and keeping you saved.
Stop asap, trusting in "abiding", as abiding didnt hang on the Cross for you.
 

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Is there hope for me? My eyes have been opened to my legalism and not resting on the cross? I've been a hypocrite, I've really hated it but I kept it inside out of fear and sin. I read hebrews 6 and 10 and I'm in despair. I've been working so hard, I'm tired and just want to rest in Jesus. I get so scared I'm not working to keep it because I see so many warnings about falling away and yet I did.

Many people only read the bible to try to find a way to feel lost, condemned.

Here is the thing.....The bible is not toy. Its not a novel. Its a Sword and a Razor and a Light, and it will harm you, if you are foolish, pride filled, and you jump into parts of it that you are not ready to understand.
One of the reasons that God sends a good Teacher llke me to Forums is to try to keep the spiritually immature from being destroyed by devil led heretics.

Many foolish people can't even begin to understand the Grace of God, or even begin to understand the Blood Atonement, and can't even begin to know the most basic principles of Salvation, yet they foam at the mouth on "christian" forums, ranting out verses they can't discern that they got lost in, = THE BOOK OF HEBREWS.
And their only purpose is to try to ruin the faith of Real Believers.
Forums are full of these devil's, all running around obsessing on Hebrews and actually enjoy trying to destroy someone's faith in God's Grace.

Reader, let me give you a TRUTH.
All Heretics live in "Hebrews" "James" and "Matthew".

Mark it down.....and remember this fact.
 

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Or we will know them by their fruits? Amen!

And what if the Devil has had a long time to study the bible and understands that he can fool the body of Christ, many, by faking "spiritual fruit".
Your bible says that He, the devil, will come to you as an Angel of LIGHT.
His people, his sons, his daughters will come to you, to your forum, pretending to have spiritual fruit.
They ALL speak "christianese".....They all SOUND "right"..
So, its up to each of us to understand that we have to DISCERN the difference between the Truth and fake spiritual fruit.
I write Thread's that help sincere believers KEEP from being DUPED by the Devil's "Preachers of Righteousness".
 

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You admit your complete and total failure to be righteous and cast yourself on God's mercy.

And God sees this faith, and Justifies you, for eternity.

The issue is what you do later.
Most do not stay in this understanding.
Most get caught up in trying to keep, what God has already finished.
Legalsim is not about how you are saved, its all about the shift from Faith in Christ to faith in trying to keep yourself SAVED.