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He knows the bean counters are listening.Not at all. Jesus is talking to his disciples. No scolding here.
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He knows the bean counters are listening.Not at all. Jesus is talking to his disciples. No scolding here.
As usual You see the deeper things of God.never have fully understood money. The word says the love or lust of it is the root of all evil. Was this ‘root of all evil’ in the garden then, the temptation of vanity and the bondage of corruption? Also have never fully understood this spirit of mammon Mammon /ˈmæmən/ in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain.
James 4:1-4 From where (did)come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [2] Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [3] Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. [4] Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
could it be that friendship with the spirit of mammon (the greedy pursuit of gain) is the root of vanity and corruption...that you might ‘devour’ in on your own lust. He said to seek first the Kingdom of God ...then told those devouring “you seek to kill Me.” You seek to kill Me. Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain:
The deceitfulness of riches: Luke 12:19-21 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. [20] But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? [21] So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
^there is something beautiful in the above (imo), in ‘I know what I will do...I will tear down my barn and build a greater barn to bestow all my fruits’ but ‘Thou fool’ unless God builds ‘raises up’ the ‘greater’ garner and displays His fruit (Galatians 5:22-23 the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance...)...whose children do those things (treasure) (fruits) laid up for, belong to?
struggled for a while with who is ‘I will tear down my barn and build a greater one to bestow my fruits’ ... He told them ‘I tell you if you tear this body down then I will raise it up again’ Greater. And will display the fruit of the Spirit ...love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance...
point is unless God builds the ‘greater’ then ‘For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?’ Luke 9:25
1 Corinthians 3:19-23 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. [20] And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. [21] Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; [22] Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; [23] And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
Only if God is the builder to display His fruits...is there any treasure laid up and kept for the children.
2 Corinthians 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
You shouldn't respect any person. And if you call the person Dude, it's disrespect, so you contradict yourself; and when you contradict what God himself did say you're confirming an ulterior motive.
Mammon is the inferior stuff of life. .
Apparently Christ did say we will have to choose servanthood to one of two inevitable masters. You will hate God, and love money. Or, you will be devoted to God, and despise money.
You will have two masters, despising one (context); otherwise hating one. You can't be a (household) servant to the two.
Luke 16:13
Ephesians 4:28
Money is a tool.
In the hands of a wise master builder it can be used skillfully.
I don't disagree. The serpent was skillful at reducing things, like the natural order. He has his devices.Ephesians 4:28
Money is a tool.
In the hands of a wise master builder it can be used skillfully.
The point is that resistance is better than acceptance. Of course we HAVE TO use money. But as the parable says, if you hold to God, that is, if he's your chief dependency, then you'll despise having to use money. It's not a need, as God is. It's a have to.so one who has to scratch and scrape to feed not only themselves but other such as children would disagree with you. and the king without the wealth could not give a beer or wine, and those who may offer you a smoke don't get that smoke without money. if you don't need money directly odds are you need the generosity of some one who does have money.
there are those who would lie to themselves making themselves (in there own judgement) the man on the higher ground because they don't have monetary means of their own. the world is what it is and the Lord God has allowed those who have control off necessities to do so. therefore the Lord God knows one has needs to sustain, clothe and shelter the flesh He created man in.
its not a moral issue at all like many play it, its simply the pursuit of what is valued. if you value the things of Heaven then one is wiser in the sight of God. but if one is obligated to support a family then the pursuit of the fulfillment of their needs and wishes are priority. The Lord God would have you to do that which you agreed to up-rightly. He wouldn't have you abandon that agreement unless they have abandoned you first.
I'm not looking at it primarily from the perspective of money in your pocket or mine, but from the perspective of going to work 8 hours a day 5 days a week on average to serve a company that's producing what? Are they replenishing the earth or destroying it?Get it.
The key word of WHAT is Master.
The key word of HOW is Serve.
Any Service "TO God", is already Defined.
Good...is rewarded.
Bad.....is burned.
Any Service "TO Money", is aleady defined.
Never Good.
Always Burned.
Money "FOR" can be good or bad, in context.
Glory to God,
Taken
Just out of curiosity, can you show me an example in the New Testament like Solomon from the Old?Look everyone.... MONEY IS NOT EVIL...
Coveting money is....idolizing money.
.loving money.
Our Father wants us to be prosperous....
Solomon was blessed greatly and became very prosperous....however he let his wealth corrupt him.
And godliness with contentment is great gain.Just out of curiosity, can you show me an example in the New Testament like Solomon from the Old?
Why do you think Jesus told us to love not the world, nor the things in the world, for all that is in the world, the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father.
Why do you think the Word tells us that "in the last days, there will be those supposing that gain is godliness. From such withdraw yourself. For we brought nothing into this world, and we can take nothing out. So with food and clothing, therewith be content."
Why are revivals happening elsewhere, most often in impoverished areas of the world, where there are not tons of materialistic temptations to distract? The Word of Faith movement has made a mockery of these verses but in truth, I suspect multitudes of believers walk the same path, just without the boldness to make it part of their dogma.
Just something to think about.
blessings,
Gids
Amen. And contentment without godliness is great loss. Thankfully we serve a God kind enough to give us an opportunity to re-examine our priorities before His return.And godliness with contentment is great gain.
Yes true. And now I'm under conviction.Amen. And contentment without godliness is great loss. Thankfully we serve a God kind enough to give us an opportunity to re-examine our priorities before His return.
blessings,
Gids
Was this not the mindset of the Laodecians? Contentment with where they were, with no desire to press deeper into the Lord? I do not see that as you, dear brother. The "we have need of nothing" thought process of the lukewarm church simply blinded them to the truth and they did not yet realize the magnitude of the birthright they had as His children.Yes true. And now I'm under conviction.
I really have a hard time understanding all the talk about the return of Jesus, has He left and forsaken you?Was this not the mindset of the Laodecians? Contentment with where they were, with no desire to press deeper into the Lord? I do not see that as you, dear brother. The "we have need of nothing" thought process of the lukewarm church simply blinded them to the truth and they did not yet realize the magnitude of the birthright they had as His children.
Setting our affections on things above and not on things of the earth will often get replies that imply that these are so Heavenly minded they are no earthly good, lol, and yes, for some this indeed may be possible. But for the vast majority of believers, I fear the opposite is true.... that they are so earthly minded, they are no Heavenly good. I say that with great sadness.
Yet even as far away from Book of Acts as we are overall as His people, especially here in the West, I am also convinced that God is far from through with us. As a matter of fact, I suspect we will soon look back and realize He has only just begun with what He has in store for us before His return.
God did not plant His church at Pentecost in purity, unity, overflowing joy and the power of the Holy Spirit, only to have to come 2000 years later to rescue us from ourselves, overcome by the world, instead of overcoming it, divided instead of being of one mind, bubbling with the joy of the Lord on Sundays as long as the worship service is professionally done, but flat on our backs spiritually by Tuesday nights.
No, dear brother. He will be glorified in His own before He returns, and in this final harvest that we will have the privilege of being a part, we will finally have come to understand and believe who we really are..... new creatures, citizens of Heaven, victors over any and everything satan can accuse us about or tempt us with.
We are about to have blinders removed and truly understand "the hope of His calling and the exceeding greatness of His power to usward who believe." Glory!
Amazing days are ahead.... with tribulations, yes.... but it will all be worth it a thousand times over.
blessings,
Gideon
I will not argue this...what I believe is between me and God. And I incorporate OT and NT in my studies.Just out of curiosity, can you show me an example in the New Testament like Solomon from the Old?
Why do you think Jesus told us to love not the world, nor the things in the world, for all that is in the world, the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father.
Why do you think the Word tells us that "in the last days, there will be those supposing that gain is godliness. From such withdraw yourself. For we brought nothing into this world, and we can take nothing out. So with food and clothing, therewith be content."
Why are revivals happening elsewhere, most often in impoverished areas of the world, where there are not tons of materialistic temptations to distract? The Word of Faith movement has made a mockery of these verses but in truth, I suspect multitudes of believers walk the same path, just without the boldness to make it part of their dogma.
Just something to think about.
blessings,
Gids