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It would appear that you think that it is the sound gospel of Jesus Christ to discourage men from repenting of their sins...

This is what is truly perverted impaho.


Jesus does not discourage Repentance when it means the “ Chang Of Mind” That takes one from an “ Unbeliever” in Him to a “ BELIEVER” in Him..
Jesus does not discourage Repentance when it means “ Turn” as in “ Turn to God ( repent) with Faith in Jesus Christ and I will Save you “ To The Uttermost”
Jesus does not discourage Repentance when an Already Saved Man commits sin regrets it and dors-his best not to repeat it.....

Jesus “ does” discourage Repentance if a person is teaching that the way to be Saved is to “ Repent from ‘SINS’ in order to be Saved”—— That is why that phrase is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in the KJV.....
If by “repenting from sins” one means that you have to Stop Sinning in order to be Saved , That is a lie, because nobody can do it. If you claim that you “ have” Done it, please allow me to talk to your spouse......
Theoretically, even if one “DID” eliminate all of their sins it would be totally irrelevant to Salvation....Striving for “ Sinless Perfection” and even “ obtaining it” and thinking it will Justify you Before God would be like trying to win at Chess while playing by the rules of Checkers....God’s “ Game” , you will discover too late , is a “ game” of Faith in the Shed Blood of His Son—- Plus Nothing.Because you were never “ Born Again” , you continued all of your life to be Blinded by Satan —- you thought that Winners Of The Game would be determined by “ THEIR OWN” Performance as opposed to Faith in “HIS” Performance........it cost you Everything.....
If you believe that Salvation is gained by Turning “ FROM” Sin as opposed to Turning “ TO” God, you have misunderstood “ Repentance”.......You best Repent from that ....lol....Ironic, isn’t it? God bless......


Btw.....wanna see what “ REAL” Repentance looks like? A “ REPENTANCE” That absolutely WILL lead to you being JUSTIFIED ( viewed by God as a person who has Never sinned ! ) Read about the Pharisee and the Publican In the Gospel Of Luke 18:9-14
 

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Jesus “ does” discourage Repentance if a person is teaching that the way to be Saved is to “ Repent from ‘SINS’ in order to be Saved”—— That is why that phrase is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in the KJV.....

In the kjv, we find the Lord telling people to turn away from wickedness...that is the samwe thing as repenting from sins.

If by “repenting from sins” one means that you have to Stop Sinning in order to be Saved , That is a lie, because nobody can do it.

1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6, and 1 John 2:17 would tell us otherwise.

If you claim that you “ have” Done it, please allow me to talk to your spouse......

I already told you what my wife says about me...that I walk in consistent righteousness. You said that she is only a sweet lady and that there is no validity to what she might say about me.

If not my wife, there is a date in the devotional Streams in the Desert where the author of what is in that date testifies that their mother was absolutely exemplary in her behaviour and never committed a sin that they could ever see.

I say to you truly that it is possible to walk in entire sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:11).

Because you were never “ Born Again”

This is true of you if you are capable of sinning...in fact, the Bible says of you that you are "of the devil" (1 John 3:8).

you continued all of your life to be Blinded by Satan

The devil blinds people utilizing the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:12-13). So the way to get rid of that blindness is to repent of your sins.

If you believe that Salvation is gained by Turning “ FROM” Sin as opposed to Turning “ TO” God, you have misunderstood “ Repentance”

You are way out in left field. Of course God wants us all to repent away from sin...to turn from wickedness (Ezekiel 33:11-20, 2 Chronicles 7:14).

Btw.....wanna see what “ REAL” Repentance looks like? A “ REPENTANCE” That absolutely WILL lead to you being JUSTIFIED ( viewed by God as a person who has Never sinned ! ) Read about the Pharisee and the Publican In the Gospel Of Luke 18:9-14

Do you think that the publican wasn't contrite about his sins and that his declaration to God ("God be merciful to me a sinner") didn't mean a change in direction? If you do, then you don't understand the rest of the Bible, and you also very likely have never truly been in the place of the publican doing what he did...
 
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I disagree .....the only thing a Believer HAS to do is “Believe”.....Fruit bearing “ should” come, and I believe that it “ will”......It doesn’t “ HAVE” to, and besides, most of the Fruits are internal events, that cant even be seen even by the “ best” self-Righteous Fruit Inspector.....
What you are describing is call Antinomianism.
 
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I disagree .....the only thing a Believer HAS to do is “Believe”.....Fruit bearing “ should” come, and I believe that it “ will”......It doesn’t “ HAVE” to, and besides, most of the Fruits are internal events, that cant even be seen even by the “ best” self-Righteous Fruit Inspector.....
We are indeed to be fruit inspectors; and therefore the practice of inspecting fruit is not necessarily a self-righteous endeavour.

Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
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most of the Fruits are internal events, that cant even be seen even by the “ best” self-Righteous Fruit Inspector.....

You speak contrary to scripture and you are not justified in your sayings.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7:20

"let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Romans 3:4
 

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In the kjv, we find the Lord telling people to turn away from wickedness...that is the samwe thing as repenting from sins.

I agree.....Everybody should turn from wickedness.....but notice that Jesus NEVER said , “ Turn from wickedness in order to be Saved”
When it came to Salvation, Jesus said we had to do “ the Will Of The Father”..... What was that “ will?”————“ BELIEVE in the One that He sent”
Jesus never preached Morality for Salvation—— Jesus preached “ HIMSELF” for Salvation....
 

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that I walk in consistent righteousness.

God cant “ wait” to hear about “your” Righteousness
You have secrets thoughts that would shame Hell itself! Probabky a lot of them involving me....
Do you think we are Fools?

Even if your Delusion were True, and it Ain’t , it won't count for Squat on Judgement Day....if you are “ righteous”, that means you keep the Law perfectly .You don’t . And if you did...” By The Law, NO MAN will be Justified”.......”The RIGHTEOUS by FAITH shall love”....

You really “ are” clueless about Christianity , aren’t you ? You’re good for being a “ springboard” to get the actual Gospel out there to others .....at lest you can be thanked for that.....you are quite fond of talking about “ repentance”...you need to Repent Of “Trying to be Saved by your Performance “ and start Trusting in “ HIS “ performance “FOR” you for your Salvation....you are about as blind as a man can be....I pray that God opens your eyes....
 

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Self-examination allows us to figure out if we are deceived . . . or not.
How is that so?

If we are deceived, will not the deception prevent us from seeing it?

I think the answer is in the renewing of the mind. Let God order our thoughts, and there will be no deception.

Much love!
 

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I agree.....Everybody should turn from wickedness.....but notice that Jesus NEVER said , “ Turn from wickedness in order to be Saved”

He did...for He is the God of the Old and New Testaments...and He said that if you repent of your wickedness, you will live thereby (Ezekiel 33:19). He also said it, not once, but twice out of His mouth as the Son, I tell you, Nay; but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:1-5)

if you are “ righteous”, that means you keep the Law perfectly .You don’t .

Actually, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me when I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4) as I abide in Christ (1 John 3:6, 1 John 3:4).

I place my full trust in the forgiveness offered by Christ when I fail to live up to His standard...but I also seek to walk after the Spirit as consistently as possible...and not according to the flesh.

you need to Repent Of “Trying to be Saved by your Performance “

I do not think that I am saved by my performance...however I do believe that my performance is affected by my salvation.

I put my trust fully in the shed blood of Christ...which does not only justify me (though it does do that, Romans 5:9)...it sanctifies me also (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses me from all sin (1 John 1:7).

and start Trusting in “ HIS “ performance “FOR” you for your Salvation...

I do also, indeed, trust in His performance for my salvation.

Not only for justification...in that He lived a perfect life that is applied to my account when I believe in what He did for me on the Cross and appropriate His shed blood for the forgiveness of my sins...

But also for sanctification...in that He is living His perfect life in me and through me as long as I do not take back my life and begin again to live it again for myself (see Galatians 2:20).
 
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You have secrets thoughts that would shame Hell itself! Probably <fify> a lot of them involving me....

Not really.

Do you think we are Fools?

No; however the wise will understand that it is possible to live a sanctified life on this planet.

See

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9;

Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10;

1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6;

1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17;

Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:11 (nlt).
 
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We are indeed to be fruit inspectors; and therefore the practice of inspecting fruit is not necessarily a self-righteous endeavour.

Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Yep. We're on the same page again here.

"15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them' 9Matthew 7:15-20).

This passage applies also to false professors of Christianity who have just the outward form of godliness, but their hearts are far away from God. Here is another relevant Scripture:

"Therefore the Lord said: "These people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. Their worship of Me is but rules taught by men" (Isaiah 29:13, quoted by Jesus to the hypocritical Pharisees in Matthew 15:8).

Many professing Christian church members are like the Pharisees who were the most knowledgeable of the Scriptures and absolutely strict about the observance of the Law. They know the Word of God better than we do, but they don't know the God of the Word.

It is interest what John Owen says about justifying faith, which is endowed by the Holy Spirit. He says that there is a faith that is not justifying faith. I think he means a head-knowledge belief that the gospel is true, but the heart is not engaged in following through to put one's full trust in it. Many will tell us that they believe in God and that Jesus died on the cross and rose again; but they don't go the full way of heart-committal to Christ. They want to have their head knowledge, but continue with the works of the flesh as well. Their faith is not justifying faith. Justifying faith fully embraces Christ as Saviour and Lord and commits one's whole life to walking in the Spirit with Christ.
 
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I do believe that, while we do not obtain salvation through keeping a set of rules, that preaching the law can be beneficial in converting a soul to Christ. The law is given as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24). It shows us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20). While it does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21), it does have power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv))...in that it shows us that we need Christ.

Kind of like when a doctor takes the time to explain the illness that someone has and thus why it is necessary to take the medicine for it, as opposed to a doctor who simply hands out the medicine without explaining why it is needed. The latter might be considered to be a drug pusher; whereas the former will be recognized as someone who is wanting to remedy a problem.
 
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Yep. We're on the same page again here.

"15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them' 9Matthew 7:15-20).

This passage applies also to false professors of Christianity who have just the outward form of godliness, but their hearts are far away from God. Here is another relevant Scripture:

"Therefore the Lord said: "These people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. Their worship of Me is but rules taught by men" (Isaiah 29:13, quoted by Jesus to the hypocritical Pharisees in Matthew 15:8).

Many professing Christian church members are like the Pharisees who were the most knowledgeable of the Scriptures and absolutely strict about the observance of the Law. They know the Word of God better than we do, but they don't know the God of the Word.

It is interest what John Owen says about justifying faith, which is endowed by the Holy Spirit. He says that there is a faith that is not justifying faith. I think he means a head-knowledge belief that the gospel is true, but the heart is not engaged in following through to put one's full trust in it. Many will tell us that they believe in God and that Jesus died on the cross and rose again; but they don't go the full way of heart-committal to Christ. They want to have their head knowledge, but continue with the works of the flesh as well. Their faith is not justifying faith. Justifying faith fully embraces Christ as Saviour and Lord and commits one's whole life to walking in the Spirit with Christ.





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From the site....”Ex-Preacher Man”....... check it out sometime ...

Fruit inspector is a term used to describe the religious. What is fruit inspecting? Well, it is what the religious use to see if a person is saved or not. The fruits of the Spirit are listed in Galatians 5 and they are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. The religious inspect you to see if you are bearing these fruits. If you do not, they tell you, “You must not be saved.” They might also proclaim, “Fruits are the evidence of salvation; they prove you are saved.” They use Matthew 7:15-20 and John 15:6 to show one is going to hell for not producing these fruits. Are the religious correct in their thoughts? Of course not. We will review both the fruits of the Spirit as well as Matthew 7 and John 15:6. First, let us put on our thinking caps and ask ourselves a few questions.

1. Can an unsaved person show love?

2. Can an unsaved person show joy?

3. Can an unsaved person show longsuffering towards humanity (through charity)?

4. Can unsaved people promote peace (Gandhi)?

If you are honest, the obvious answer is yes to all the questions. Let’s take this a step further, shall we?

1. Do Jehovah’s Witnesses show these fruits? (If you didn’t know, they don’t believe that Jesus was God in the flesh and think you have to earn salvation).

2. How about Mormons? Do they show fruits of the Spirit?

3. Do peace loving Muslims show any of these fruits?

Again, the answers to these questions are an astounding YES. Are these groups saved? No. If unsaved people show these fruits, and many in abundance, why does the religious use “fruits” as a gauge to determine salvation? Hmmmmmmm. Do you know who else shows these “fruits” according to the Bible? You may be surprised to learn not only unsaved people show these attributes, but also those who minister to Satan. Matthew 7, in reference to false prophets, reads:

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matt 7:15). Notice, they are outwardly sheep, thus showing “fruits of the Spirit”.

We also read in 2 Corinthians 11:13 and 14:

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

Do you see it? False apostles transform themselves into the apostles of Christ, thus showing fruits of the Spirit. This is also true of Satan, who transforms himself into an angel of light, thus showing fruits of the Spirit.

Let’s take a look at fruits from a saved perspective. The church at Corinth was carnal, but were babes in Christ (1 Cor 3:1-3). They were a saved church; sanctified (1:2). However, they were sinning all over the place. Some of their sins were envying, strife, and divisions (3:3). A believer has relations with his stepmother (1 Cor 5:5), there were lawsuits among the believers (1 Cor 6:7) there was fornication (1 Cor 7:2), there was drunkenness at the Lord’s Supper (1 Cor 11:21). How many fruits of the Spirit were they showing? Not many, but they were saved.

With reason and scripture we can conclude that fruits of the Spirit are not evidence of salvation. If the unsaved can do them without the Holy Spirit and saved people can all but ignore them, why do the religious insist it is mandatory that they should be exhibited? Because that’s what the “religious” do. Their mantra of “do” for salvation exceeds Jesus’s “done”. What about Matthew 7:15-20 and John 15:6?

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20).

From a first look at this passage, it appears that if one does not produce fruit, he or she is going to hell. First, this passage is about false prophets (verse 15), not the born again believer. Verse 16 reads, “You will know them (false prophets) by their fruits.” Well, this is not referring to fruits of the Spirit, as Satan presents himself as an angel of light. Notice verse 18: “a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit”. Do you sin? Then guess what, you are not a good tree. The only good tree is Jesus. Jesus said, “Why callest me thou good? There is none good but God” (Luke 18:19). Then we get to verse 20, which reads, “Wherefore by their fruits you will know them.” Well, if false apostles transform themselves into apostles of Christ and Satan presents himself as an angel of light, what does “fruit” mean? The answer is in Luke, which talks about the SAME thing.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart HIS MOUTH SPEAKETH. (Luke 6:43-45)

This is what fruit means in this passage. It is doctrine and what that doctrine produces (fruit). There are only two ways to see false prophets. One, if they prophesy something and it does not come to pass then they are not from God (Duet 18:22). The second area is “what is coming out of their mouths”. If you study your Bible and learn, you can tell someone is false by the words they speak. Bad doctrine, or false doctrine, will not produce for the kingdom. For example, what type of fruit were the Pharisees producing? What does Scripture teach us?

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves” (Matt 23:15).

Their fruit was to proclaim salvation by the works of the law to their disciples, to root their disciples in that doctrine that they became more a child of hell then their teachers! This was the “fruit” of the Pharisees (ClearGospel.org). As a result, we need to abide in Jesus (correct doctrine) to produce fruit (converts) for the kingdom.
 

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What you are describing is call Antinomianism.

Don’t know anymore about that stuff than I do the other extremes....Here is what I “ DO” know , and recognize and call out......PERVERTED and FALSE “ Gospels” That Add Works to Grace, thus cancelling out the ONLY thing that saves you.....Those That fall for these “ Accursed” Gospels “ Fall From Grace” ....Those That go a step farther and actually Teach and Promote these False Gospels Are Damned by God Forever
Newbies—— Don’t take “my” word for anything .....Read the Fifth chapter of Galatians to learn about “ falling from Grace” and read that same book , chapter one, verse eight to see that Damnation thingy....
 

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The one you were supposidly answering. If you want to answer it, you will go and find it and not charge me with that task, if not, you won't .


“YOU” are the one that brought it up .....if you want an answer , ask the question.....You think I give a Rat’s Patootie about you trying to put me on trial or something? Go away.......
 

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From the site....”Ex-Preacher Man”....... check it out sometime ...

Fruit inspector is a term used to describe the religious. What is fruit inspecting? Well, it is what the religious use to see if a person is saved or not. The fruits of the Spirit are listed in Galatians 5 and they are: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. The religious inspect you to see if you are bearing these fruits. If you do not, they tell you, “You must not be saved.” They might also proclaim, “Fruits are the evidence of salvation; they prove you are saved.” They use Matthew 7:15-20 and John 15:6 to show one is going to hell for not producing these fruits. Are the religious correct in their thoughts? Of course not. We will review both the fruits of the Spirit as well as Matthew 7 and John 15:6. First, let us put on our thinking caps and ask ourselves a few questions.

1. Can an unsaved person show love?

2. Can an unsaved person show joy?

3. Can an unsaved person show longsuffering towards humanity (through charity)?

4. Can unsaved people promote peace (Gandhi)?

If you are honest, the obvious answer is yes to all the questions. Let’s take this a step further, shall we?

1. Do Jehovah’s Witnesses show these fruits? (If you didn’t know, they don’t believe that Jesus was God in the flesh and think you have to earn salvation).

2. How about Mormons? Do they show fruits of the Spirit?

3. Do peace loving Muslims show any of these fruits?

Again, the answers to these questions are an astounding YES. Are these groups saved? No. If unsaved people show these fruits, and many in abundance, why does the religious use “fruits” as a gauge to determine salvation? Hmmmmmmm. Do you know who else shows these “fruits” according to the Bible? You may be surprised to learn not only unsaved people show these attributes, but also those who minister to Satan. Matthew 7, in reference to false prophets, reads:

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matt 7:15). Notice, they are outwardly sheep, thus showing “fruits of the Spirit”.

We also read in 2 Corinthians 11:13 and 14:

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

Do you see it? False apostles transform themselves into the apostles of Christ, thus showing fruits of the Spirit. This is also true of Satan, who transforms himself into an angel of light, thus showing fruits of the Spirit.

Let’s take a look at fruits from a saved perspective. The church at Corinth was carnal, but were babes in Christ (1 Cor 3:1-3). They were a saved church; sanctified (1:2). However, they were sinning all over the place. Some of their sins were envying, strife, and divisions (3:3). A believer has relations with his stepmother (1 Cor 5:5), there were lawsuits among the believers (1 Cor 6:7) there was fornication (1 Cor 7:2), there was drunkenness at the Lord’s Supper (1 Cor 11:21). How many fruits of the Spirit were they showing? Not many, but they were saved.

With reason and scripture we can conclude that fruits of the Spirit are not evidence of salvation. If the unsaved can do them without the Holy Spirit and saved people can all but ignore them, why do the religious insist it is mandatory that they should be exhibited? Because that’s what the “religious” do. Their mantra of “do” for salvation exceeds Jesus’s “done”. What about Matthew 7:15-20 and John 15:6?

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20).

From a first look at this passage, it appears that if one does not produce fruit, he or she is going to hell. First, this passage is about false prophets (verse 15), not the born again believer. Verse 16 reads, “You will know them (false prophets) by their fruits.” Well, this is not referring to fruits of the Spirit, as Satan presents himself as an angel of light. Notice verse 18: “a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit”. Do you sin? Then guess what, you are not a good tree. The only good tree is Jesus. Jesus said, “Why callest me thou good? There is none good but God” (Luke 18:19). Then we get to verse 20, which reads, “Wherefore by their fruits you will know them.” Well, if false apostles transform themselves into apostles of Christ and Satan presents himself as an angel of light, what does “fruit” mean? The answer is in Luke, which talks about the SAME thing.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart HIS MOUTH SPEAKETH. (Luke 6:43-45)

This is what fruit means in this passage. It is doctrine and what that doctrine produces (fruit). There are only two ways to see false prophets. One, if they prophesy something and it does not come to pass then they are not from God (Duet 18:22). The second area is “what is coming out of their mouths”. If you study your Bible and learn, you can tell someone is false by the words they speak. Bad doctrine, or false doctrine, will not produce for the kingdom. For example, what type of fruit were the Pharisees producing? What does Scripture teach us?

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves” (Matt 23:15).

Their fruit was to proclaim salvation by the works of the law to their disciples, to root their disciples in that doctrine that they became more a child of hell then their teachers! This was the “fruit” of the Pharisees (ClearGospel.org). As a result, we need to abide in Jesus (correct doctrine) to produce fruit (converts) for the kingdom.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20).

From a first look at this passage, it appears that if one does not produce fruit, he or she is going to hell. First, this passage is about false prophets (verse 15), not the born again believer.

It does speak of the born again believer....if he is a good tree, he will produce good fruit and cannot produce evil fruit.

From a first look at this passage, it appears that if one does not produce fruit, he or she is going to hell. First, this passage is about false prophets (verse 15), not the born again believer. Verse 16 reads, “You will know them (false prophets) by their fruits.” Well, this is not referring to fruits of the Spirit, as Satan presents himself as an angel of light. Notice verse 18: “a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit”. Do you sin? Then guess what, you are not a good tree. The only good tree is Jesus.

So, you're saying that everyone is a false prophet...

I know that I sin less than I have ever sinned before now that I have been greatly sanctified.

I cannot claim to be perfected, otherwise my claim to perfection is disqualified (Philippians 3:13-15).

But I will say that I abide pretty consistently these days; and that the scriptures teach that the one who abideth in Christ "sinneth not" (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).

There are only two ways to see false prophets. One, if they prophesy something and it does not come to pass then they are not from God (Duet 18:22).

I will get back to you on this with something that I posted recently.

Concerning whether a prophet that prophesies must be put to death if his prophecy does not come to pass, consider what the Lord says in Jeremiah.

Jer 18:1, The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 18:2, Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
Jer 18:3, Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
Jer 18:4, And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Jer 18:5, Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 18:6, O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Jer 18:7, At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
Jer 18:8, If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jer 18:9, And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
Jer 18:10, If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.


Was not Jonah a true prophet? yet he prophesied that Nineveh would be overthrown in forty days. But the people repented; and so the Lord repented of the evil that He had said that He would bring upon them. And Jonah's word did not come to pass; although Jonah was a true prophet.

Therefore if a prophet prophesies woe, and the people repent, and the woe that was prophesied does not come to pass, that prophet has fulfilled his commission and succeeded in what the Lord wanted him to do; in that the people repented. He is therefore not false but successful.
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PERVERTED and FALSE “ Gospels” That Add Works to Grace,

And of course it is a straw man to say that I or @Paul Christensen is preaching a gospel that adds works to grace.

I will say that grace produces holiness of character; which is different from works.

Most assuredly, it would seem that works would result from holiness of character. However Ephesians 2:10 is clear that works are the result of salvation although they are not the catalyst for it.
 

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My message will likely be different come Sunday......Even so, the results will be the same ....Some will actually “ get” Paul’s True Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing and will be Saved by it.To others that come to this Site .....the Stiff-Necked, The Legalist, The Religionists, and the Tares , it will just be another day because “ The Gospel is Foolishness to those that Perish...”
You guys will go on preaching your “ Jesus Saves—- B U T !” Perverted, False Gospels and the Blind shall continue to lead the Blind.....You live a “ Crippled Walk Of Faith”.....You are “ Fallen from Grace” and don’t even know it.Let us hope that this Condition , that shows a Heart that does not fully trust in the Blood Of Jesus for their Salvation , does not lead to Damnation..MANY excellent Bible Teachers say that it does.....it really is “ NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD”——- You Sing it , and all along , in your heart of hearts, you think it’s a lie. Hypocrite .
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.the Stiff-Necked, The Legalist, The Religionists, and the Tares , it will just be another day because “ The Gospel is Foolishness to those that Perish...”
You guys will go on preaching your “ Jesus Saves—- B U T !” Perverted, False Gospels and the Blind shall continue to lead the Blind.....You live a “ Crippled Walk Of Faith”.....You are “ Fallen from Grace” and don’t even know it.

Often, the thing that we most often see in other people that is such an offence is the very thing that plagues us.

When we point the finger at another man, we cannot fail to have three fingers pointing back at us

Luk 6:39, And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
Luk 6:40, The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Luk 6:4, And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Luk 6:42, Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.