Genesis Creation Account

[BarneyFife]

first thanks for the reply, and second, if I'm in ERROR, prove me wrong. that's all to it, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

your move.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I don't need to--my evidence is as strong as yours.

 

[BarneyFife]

first thanks for the reply, and second, if I'm in ERROR, prove me wrong. that's all to it, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

your move.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

but
δὲ (de)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 1161: A primary particle; but, and, etc.

test
δοκιμάζετε (dokimazete)
Verb - Present Imperative Active - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1381: From dokimos; to test; by implication, to approve.

all things.
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Accusative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every kind of. Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole.

Hold fast
κατέχετε (katechete)
Verb - Present Imperative Active - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 2722: From kata and echo; to hold down, in various applications.

to what [is]
τὸ (to)
Article - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

good.
καλὸν (kalon)
Adjective - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 2570: Properly, beautiful, but chiefly good, i.e. Valuable or virtuous.

Nice manipulation of the word "prove."
It was dark outside when I was born, but it wasn't last night.

 

[101G]

I don't need to--my evidence is as strong as yours.

first thanks for the reply, second, I disagree with your assessment, I believe man was here before the animals, and on day 6 the Gender of the (one), man was made into male and female... (smile).

if you disagree, please state your case, by scripture. not what you think, or believe, but by the scriptures. thanks in advance.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[BarneyFife]

first thanks for the reply, second, I disagree with your assessment, I believe man was here before the animals, and on day 6 the Gender of the (one), man was made into male and female... (smile).

if you disagree, please state your case, by scripture. not what you think, or believe, but by the scriptures. thanks in advance.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The burden of proof is on your assumption that "brought to" indicates before-and-after, but nice try. I posed an alternative situation. Now you can prove that I'm wrong. This is not my 1st rodeo.

 

[101G]

The burden of proof is on your assumption that "brought to" indicates before-and-after, but nice try. I posed an alternative situation. Now you can prove that I'm wrong. This is not my 1st rodeo.

my proof are found in POST #8, 9, 12, and 13.

so the burden of correction is on YOU if you can........ YIKES!.

now the floor is yours.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[JohnDB]

The burden of proof is on your assumption that "brought to" indicates before-and-after, but nice try. I posed an alternative situation. Now you can prove that I'm wrong. This is not my 1st rodeo.

Ignore him...

He is detracting from the focus of this thread which is biblical evidence of symmetry and natural order to creation.

He is distracting away from the focus which is yet another nail in the coffin of such things as rampant pollution, homosexuality, and hyper environmentalism.

Apparently this "spiritual saboteur" is interested in promoting unbalance and incongruent environmentalism.

 

[101G]

it's amazing how many christians can be so decieved. as in another topic, the delusion is chosen by GOD, and many don't even know it. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

as the saying goes, if you get the beginning wrong, then the rest is out of order. YIKES!.

there is so much information right in the very two to three, or the first six chapter, it would take nearly a lifetime to correctly understand it all.

but, it's the READER choice, believe what some man or woman say, and be in delusion, or believe God "WRITEN" Word...

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[BarneyFife]

it's amazing how many christians can be so decieved. as in another topic, the delusion is chosen by GOD, and many don't even know it. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

as the saying goes, if you get the beginning wrong, then the rest is out of order. YIKES!.

there is so much information right in the very two to three, or the first six chapter, it would take nearly a lifetime to correctly understand it all.

but, it's the READER choice, believe what some man or woman say, and be in delusion, or believe God "WRITEN" Word...

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Rank mysticism

 

[Nancy]

Another thing, Birds came out of the Water as well as the Ground. something to think about.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

So did the rain

And, I don't mean to get between you two but...there ARE two creation accounts in Genesis, yes?

 

[JohnDB]

So did the rain

And, I don't mean to get between you two but...there ARE two creation accounts in Genesis, yes?

Yes...but they really don't differ or contradict.
And this is supposed to focus on the symmetry and balance of creation.

Not anything else.
Not some wackanoodle theory about contradictory creation accounts.

 

[Nancy]

Yes...but they really don't differ or contradict.
And this is supposed to focus on the symmetry and balance of creation.

Not anything else.
Not some wackanoodle theory about contradictory creation accounts.

Okay, on point then,
The balance seems to have been way off since the fall. And, as far as the symmetry, and the "symbiosis" goes (yes, I had to look that word up)..seems the animal part of creation got the short end of the stick as, symbiosis (I love saying that word )
-in this case - humans and animals, were to benefit evenly and, that stopped with the fall...?

 

[JohnDB]

Okay, on point then,
The balance seems to have been way off since the fall. And, as far as the symmetry, and the "symbiosis" goes (yes, I had to look that word up)..seems the animal part of creation got the short end of the stick as, symbiosis (I love saying that word )
-in this case - humans and animals, were to benefit evenly and, that stopped with the fall...?

Ahhhh...
But again look at the order.
One premise/level of creation built upon the last one.
Man being last of all...the culmination of creation.

And he is there to tend the garden.

Why did Mary confuse the resurrected Jesus as a gardener at the tomb?
Because he was gardening. Symbiosis is restored.

If one part is out of balance the thing can completely collapse. (Think inverted pyramid)
I think that the reason Jesus returns is that the Earth is essentially dead as mankind has destroyed it. (Just a thought)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

first thanks for the reply, second, I have read it, and it is clear as day,Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

now go back to chapter 1 and see when the plants and grass came on the earth?

now, two things, "before anything grew", there was no rain, but a mist "watered" the .... WHOLE face of the ground, did you understand that fully?

now I ask you, can you get dust from where moister is at? ... the answer is NO. so we suggest you re-read the Genesis account.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Yeah I read it

Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

up to this point no mention of mankind

Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."


Still yet. No making, as he has not been created as of yet

Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

yep. Still not mention of mankind

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


ahh here we go, here is when man was created (after all those things, not before as you proclaimed)

I can only go by what scripture says. And what you said does not line up. Here God is giving through moses the order in which things were created,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ahhhh...
But again look at the order.
One premise/level of creation built upon the last one.
Man being last of all...the culmination of creation.

And he is there to tend the garden.

Why did Mary confuse the resurrected Jesus as a gardener at the tomb?
Because he was gardening. Symbiosis is restored.

If one part is out of balance the thing can completely collapse. (Think inverted pyramid)
I think that the reason Jesus returns is that the Earth is essentially dead as mankind has destroyed it. (Just a thought)

I think the earth is in worse shape today than it was back then, and I think his return will be because if he does not return, no flesh would survive, Ie, the earth and everything in it would be destroyed by man

 

[101G]

Rank mysticism

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, we can take your reply as you cannot refute what I said, nor prove your point by the scriptures?... thought so.

it's best you listen to your buddy JohnDB and ignore me, which would be profitable for you..... YIKES!. because the truth want change for you me, or anyone else. so stay in darkness. (smile).

always Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[JohnDB]

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Now this verse here is special...

Because up to this point the scriptures read,
"And God said" and whatever God said was immediately true.
But in the verse I quoted from you it shows that mankind was created by a much more intimate process. IE the focus of everything that has been made.

Adam was also Holy as anything touched by God is instantly more holy than anything else.

 

[101G]

So did the rain

And, I don't mean to get between you two but...there ARE two creation accounts in Genesis, yes?

First thanks for the reply, second, NO, it's only one CREATION ACCOUNT, chapter 2 is a detailed account of Chapter 1. also, no Nancy, that's a good point you made, because some of the rain did come out of the Ground. and two, this is an open fourm, you can reply to any point put forth. I like good thinking christian, who has an open mind instead of having blinders on. see, those little bits of information, like that, leads to better information in the knowledge of God. many would not have known that fact, as also this one. there was water "ABOVE" the Ground, or ABOVE the surface of the planet, as well as below. supportive scripture, 2 Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

and today scientists are detecting water everywhere in space, and in many forms. the Book of Genesis is loaded with scientific information, like Retrograde and prograde motion, precession or nutation of the object's rotational axis, or the Apogee, and pedigree of the moon and the sun. and when it comes to the different kinds/types of Eco systems here on earth, one can only wonder in amazement at how GREAT our God is.

so, never think you're getting between anyone or anything with me, I love imput from others..

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[dev553344]

Just got in touch with a theologian friend of mine.
He showed me something neat with the creation account.

Day one..........light........day 4......sun moon, stars

Day 2..............air, land/sea...day 5.....birds, fish

Day 3............. vegetation......day 6.....animals, man.

In the creation account there is symmetry and balance.
But also a focus... mankind was the balance and focus of creation. Meaning that there's a symbiosis of man with the whole Earth. Man cannot exist without the natural order of things...nor can the natural order exist without man. If any part of the natural order is not in balance there becomes an imbalance and the whole thing falls apart like a tinker toy sea saw.

And since the seventh day is not part of the balance... DON'T Work on that day or else your life will be unbalanced. Do just like God did and take a day off.


If this doesn't make sense... don't sweat it....it is in the funnel for canned sermons and your local pastor will regurgitate it soon enough.

I'm not really seeing how man is the balance, could you explain more please?

 

[101G]

Yeah I read it

Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

up to this point no mention of mankind

Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."


Still yet. No making, as he has not been created as of yet

Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

yep. Still not mention of mankind

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


ahh here we go, here is when man was created (after all those things, not before as you proclaimed)

I can only go by what scripture says. And what you said does not line up. Here God is giving through moses the order in which things were created,

First thanks for the reply, second, ERROR on your Part, "BEFORE" the Grass and plants was in the EARTH, BUT, BUT, before , listen, Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." that's before the plants was IN, IN, IN, the EARTH. and what happen before the Plants was in, in, in, the EARTH? Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

there it is.... the keyword is "BEFORE". my oh my, you cannot twist the word of God. but BEFORE the plants was in the Ground, and before the Grass was in the Ground there wen up a mist, and God "Formed" man.

see, you didn't read, did you... YIKES.

Just as in the ERROR, that man was Made after the aninals. another big lie told by man. and here's where the lie went wrong. on day 6 GOD made the ONE man (whom he formed on day 3) into Male and female on day 6...... God made the "GENDER" of the ONE man into "male", and "Female".

the woman was only brought forth after the animals. because the animals was made in search for a help meet for the ONE man, supportive scriptures, Genesis 2:15 "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." (HERE ADAM THE MAN WAS ALONE AND BY HIMSELF.)
Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:"
Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof." (STOP, HOLD IT, ADAM WAS ALONE, AND A HELP MEET WAS IN SEARCH FOR THE MAN, AND OUT OF THE GROUND GOD FORMED THE ANIMALS. SO ADAM WAS HERE BEFORE THE ANIMALS.)... see you haven't read your bible, but listen to men instead of God. lets go on.

Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." Bingo, so only Eve, the woman came after the animals. we suggest you read your bibles with the Holy Ghost as teacher.....

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First thanks for the reply, second, ERROR on your Part, "BEFORE" the Grass and plants was in the EARTH, BUT, BUT, before , listen, Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." that's before the plants was IN, IN, IN, the EARTH. and what happen before the Plants was in, in, in, the EARTH? Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

there it is.... the keyword is "BEFORE". my oh my, you cannot twist the word of God. but BEFORE the plants was in the Ground, and before the Grass was in the Ground there wen up a mist, and God "Formed" man.

see, you didn't read, did you... YIKES.

Nothing in the passage says there were not plants yet. That is an assumption on your part, in fact, before this passage it says their was not man to till the ground, if there is no plants, no man is needed to till, so by this alone, it shows man came after.

in Gen 1 it shows these came the third day. Before any animal life was even created, the plant and grass came first

it also says he created man in his own image on day 6.

so either you have Gen 2 contradicting Gen 1. Or you are flat out misinterpreting Gen 2.

there are no other options my friend

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

You should take your own advice, and stop arguing with people, and argue with the word, because the word has proven you to be in error