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Sure there is a scripture supporting The Roman Empire as the end times beast. Tsigano and I have already proved that to you.
Rev 12:3 & 4
Unless you know of another kingdom that was a world power at the time of the birth of Christ, then, wahla, Rome was it.
Therefore, being Rome was the world power at the time of the birth of Christ, and that world power was symbolized by a 7 headed beast, then everywhere else in prophetic scripture, where it shows a 7 headed beast, the implication is that it is Roman Empire related.
As to the extent of the Roman Empire, the eastern half composed of Israel, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Most of Iraq and all of Turkey, as well as the "-stan countries. If ya don't believe me, looky fur yerself:
http://www.roman-emp...ay-nations.html
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Expain to me how you pull Rome out of this verse. Keep in mind that if you believe this verse indicates Rome as the origin of any beast or end-time entity it must be backed by all the other prophetic scriptures. Nothing can contradict and everything must be in accord for it to be true. The RRE contradicts a host of scriptures.
If Rome is soon to emerge as the end-time beast, why is it that more christians have been murdered at the hands of Muslim's in from 1998 to the present than in ALL of history.
Rome cannot be the city of seven hills because the woman is said to have fled into the wilderness. The word is better translated 'dessert'. Rome is not in a dessert.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2048&t=KJV
Vatican City and the city of Rome is not built on seven hills, but on only one: Vatican Hill. This hill is not one of the seven Rome was supposedly constructed upon. Those seven (the Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian, Aventine, Palatine, and Capitoline hills) are located on the east side of the Tiber River. Vatican Hill is located on the west side." That isn't in accord with scripture.
Rome and the EU are lawful societies. The Arab world is about the most lawless place on earth and the lawless one will come from that lawless culture of the Islamic Middle East.
Who does Habakkuk say God will raise up in the last days? The Italians?!
Habakkuk 1 identifies and depicts Islam's goals of world dominance via terrorism.
Habakkuk 1:1 ¶The burden which Habakkuk the prophet did see.
2 O LORD, how long shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear! even cry out unto thee of violence, and thou wilt not save!
3 Why dost thou shew me iniquity, and cause me to behold grievance? for spoiling and violence are before me: and there are that raise up strife and contention.
4 Therefore the law is slacked, and judgment doth never go forth: for the wicked doth compass about the righteous; therefore wrong judgment proceedeth.
5 ¶Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, (people) which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.
8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.
9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
Rome is not found in one verse of prophecy. All of the end time alliances mentioned in the bible are dominated by a mixture of Arab Islamic tribes and clans. Rome is completely excluded. The type of people described in Habukkuk 1:6, 2 Timothy 3:1, AND the words of Jesus in John 16:2, all fit the people of Islam, radical Islam, the jihadist, their methods, and ultimate goal. John and Habukkuk describe the harlots offspring and the people who fill her golden cup.
No gentile nation today or in the recent past has ever openly stated their intention of world domination or the destruction of all unbelievers (infidels) or the complete destruction America and Israel...other than the Arab's and Muslim's. There are dozens of jihadist sects whose goal's and intentions are just that. Rome is not out "conquering and to conquer!" Islam is!
A devout Muslim bows toward Mecca 5 times a day. They're bowing to a black rock some consider to be a meteorite. A devout Muslim's may bow to that 'black rock' a million times in their lifetime and may have some figurative meanings for Christian's since we stand on the Rock of ages, and the rock they bow to is black.
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
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http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/mecca.htm
The most sacred place in Islam is the Ka'ba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Ka'ba is a mosque (built by Abraham according to Muslim tradition) built around a black stone. The Prophet Muhammad designated Mecca as the holy city of Islam and the direction (qibla) in which all Muslims should offer their prayers.
The Ka'ba is believed to be the first place that was created on earth {2} and the place at which heavenly bliss and power touches the earth directly. {3} Mecca is located in the Hijaz region of western Saudi Arabia. The city lies inland 73 kilometers east of Jiddah, in the narrow, sandy Valley of Abraham. The Holy City is 277 meters (909 feet) above sea level.
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The RRE is also contradicted by Daniel 2. You have no answer to how the Persian Empire could be land inferior to Babylon. The Word of God is clear on the subject. The Mede's took Babylon!
In Isaiah 13, God say's He would stir up the Mede's against Babylon. Not the Persian's!
Daniel 5 quotes Darius the Mede as the one who "took" Babylon at the age of 62.
Daniel, Isaiah's, and Jeremiah's prophecies ascribe the conquest and destruction of Babylon to the Medes.
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."
Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie.(Babylon)
Daniel 8:3 explains the inferior kingdom as the smaller horn that came up first..
Daniel 2:40-43. NLT
The iron and clay doesn't support an Italian society but an Arab one. The word mixed or mingled means an Arabian or Arabia.
Following that kingdom, there will be a fourth great kingdom, as strong as iron. That kingdom will smash and crush all previous empires, just as iron smashes and crushes everything it strikes. The feet and toes you saw that were a combination of iron and clay show that this kingdom will be divided. Some parts of it will be strong as iron, and others as weak as clay. This mixture of iron and clay shows that these kingdoms will try to strenghten themselves by forming alliances with each other through intermarriage. But this will not succeed, just as iron and clay do not mix.
Absolutely true of the Arab world and the Chaldean word "mixed". Not true of Rome! In Arabic, the word "Arab" is probably an alteration of the word "crossed" and supports what the scriptures are saying that they are "mixed with the seed of men." The NLT uses the word 'intermarried' which is so true of the Arabs but not the Romans!
Since the time of Ishmael, the Arab people have divided into several tribes and clans. There are over 250 in Northern Africa alone and several hundred in Iraq just to give you an example. The two major sects of Islam have divided into many subdivisions and have always been at odds with one another...
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
The Arabs have live up to the word 'mixed' since they have intermarried extensively. Iron and clay better represent the Ishmaelites (mixed with the seed of men) or today's Arab/Muslim world. They are a divided, intermarried, uncleaved, and have lawless societies with hundres upon hundreds of different tribes and clans. That's where the lawless Assyrian anti-christ will emerge from.
The ‘little horn’ of Daniel 7 and 8 who takes his stand against the Prince of princes comes out of Alexander’s splintered kingdom and no where else. And the ‘king of the north" in Daniel 11 and 12, who exalts himself in the time of the end, comes out of the root of Antiochus, again a fragment of Alexander’s empire. Why then do so many prophecy experts continue to tell us that Rome is somehow the origin of the beast!?
Isaiah 10, 14, and 30 all depict an Assyrian as the tool of God's wrath in the last days. (Not a Roman) All the nations mentioned in every prophecy I know are Arab and/or Islamic today and they are commiting the abominations of the earth. Not Rome. Not Catholicism.
Daniel 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
In Daniel 11 the mighty king and both the king of the north and south, the vile person and raiser of taxes that stands up come from 'Grecia'. Not ROME!
Daniel 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
Can you see how the RRE contradicts a host of scriptures?
The head of gold=Babylon
The arms of silver=Mede's
The thighs of brass=Persian's
The legs of iron=Greece
The toes mingled (arab) with iron and clay=the people of ten nation Arab/Islamic Empire of the beast that originates from the geographical area of the Grecian Empire.
And the stone that smote the image destroyed all of these Mid-East kingdoms depicted in the statue .
The Roman didn't behead people and I don't know what makes you think they would do that in the last days. It's Islam that beheads people today not Rome Italy!
Revelation s20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Islam is the direct opposite of Christianity, rejects all of the prophets and apostles, and deny's the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. They are the ones bent on world domination and they will bring us tribulation and try and take Israel out.
Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 both mention Arab/Muslim countries...NOT EUROPEAN!
I have already explained!!!
Today, it's not priest and altar boys who are strapping bombs to themselves and detonating them in market places, bus stations, airports and schools. It's not the altar boys who cut peoples heads off and puts them on a card table in the middle of a street so the common people can see what happens to Muslim apostates. It's not Catholic's who are sending disabled women into pet stores with a bird cage laced with explosives and remotely detonating them. It wasn't Catholic's in Saudi Arabia who sent 14 teenage school girls back into a burning school building to die for coming out of it with their faces uncovered. It's not Bishops and Cardinals who entice people to kill others with the reward of as many as 72 virgins in paradise. It's the Islamic whore of Babylon! The Harlot holds a cup full of the abominations of the earth commited by the jihadist. The Catholic's no longer do these kind of things.
It's no wonder one surah reads,
Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
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